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The family of body 27 are still pondering to this day why so many Liverpool fans were able to gain entry into Hillsborough without tickets or with fakes.
It was a tragedy, yes, and the authorities have a lot to answer for but I don't but into the theory that Liverpool fans were utterly blameless. Heysel is relevant because it further highlights Liverpool's refusal to accept responsibility for a tragedy they caused.
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 14:54 - Apr 17 with 1681 views
"Heysel is relevant because it further highlights Liverpool's refusal to accept responsibility for a tragedy they caused"
They have a memorial for the Heysel dead within Anfield. That and their traetment of their Champions League meeting of 2005 would indicate to me that they have completetly accepted responsibility.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
and that is a nutshell is why they are still fighting for justice as people still want to believe that it was ticketless fans who caused the problem when it's now been proved that wasn't the case.
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 15:06 - Apr 17 with 1658 views
It was part of the problem but many Liverpool fans refuse to acknowledge it. Fight for justice, by all means, but accept your share of the responsibility, no matter how small.
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 15:15 - Apr 17 with 1638 views
But WHO should accept WHOSE share of the responsibility? How can dead people and the family of dead people who had bought legal tickets take responsibility for getting killed in a horrific accident.
It's back to the whole lump them together into a single entity argument. How can Liverpool as an entity be to blame for the actions of individuals at either disaster. Yes, there are a small minority who rioted at Heysel, but they like those who died at both disasters are individuals. There is no group culpability outside of a "group" of fans who may have acted as a "firm" and instigated the fighting.
They needn't take responsibility, just acknowledge that some Liverpool fans contributed towards the tragedy instead of conveniently trying to pass all blame on the authorities.
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 15:39 - Apr 17 with 1595 views
As far as i have seen all that has been proved is the police lied and covered up there errors on the day, the FA made big errors on the day and Sheff Wed made big errors and as such there will be arrests made, and rightly so. . As Liverpool and there fans have NEVER excepted any responsibility in any shape or form there was not an enquiry made by Liverpool FC if there own fans were to blame as was said in the media they just refused to except that, end of.
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 15:59 - Apr 17 with 1566 views
they have history and were doing this type of thing
And Bowles is onside, Swinburne has come rushing out of his goal , what can Bowles do here , onto the left foot no, on to the right foot
That’s there that’s two, and that’s Bowles
Brian Moore
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 16:16 - Apr 17 with 1546 views
They have done, RAB, they've erected a memorial and included in their history a large section on the day and their culpability in it.
As Bosh says, this is not one group who make one collective. It's made up of may constituents and millions of individuals. The club for their part acted honourably, I feel.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
But it took the guy who was in charge of the Hillsborough memorial to suggest a memorial for those fans that died at Heysal. Would there have been a Heysal memorial if Hillsborough did not happen ?
In 2000 the city of Liverpool officially commemorated the anniversary of Heysel for the first time — on the suggestion, incidentally, of Peter Millea, the chairman of Liverpool City Council’s Hillsborough disaster working party
Why was there not one before ??
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Is It Wrong to Want Liverpool to Win the Title in View of Hillsborough on 16:33 - Apr 17 with 1511 views
I don't know who or how many people suggested it. I know they built it in their memory, I think it's decent and it's honourable. And I am glad that they have accepted responsibility publicly as a club.
I see no point in arguing on this, as I find that Heysel and Hillsborough are not overtly linked, except to say that the cages at Hillsborough were as a result of the thuggishness of hooligans of all clubs, ours included. Beyond that, I find any attempt to deny justice for the Hillsborough dead solely because different fans of the same club misbehaved on a a prior occasion to be devoid of compassion and respect.
I'll say it again, if it was my son or daughter, or any of you, whose lifeless body was welded to a cage and whose memory was being tarnished by lies and corruption, they wouldn't shut me up until I too took my last breath.
I couldn't respect them more.
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"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
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