| Tube Strike confirmation 10:54 - Jan 30 with 6460 views | simmo |
http://www.tfl.gov.uk/corporate/media/newscentre/29534.aspx
From the evening of Tuesday 4th February (9.30pm) to the morning of Friday 7th February there is going to be a 48 hour strike on London Underground.
Same will happen the following week (Tuesday 11th February).
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 16:33 - Jan 30 with 1287 views | Rangersw12 |
"When the scrotes of these areas know there are no staff around, a station will be a very dangerous place to be for your mother, wife, daughter, son etc etc"
That's a bit over the top isn't you don't write for the daily mail in your spare time by any chance do you ? | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 16:46 - Jan 30 with 1275 views | Snipper |
Let me get this right, on one hand I'm a member of the RMT who'll be taking industrial action to try and stop the draconian cuts a Tory mayor is trying to bring in.
On the other hand, you're asking if I write for the Daily Mail in my spare time? 
And not that it's anybody's business, I'm not left wing or a conservative. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 16:50 - Jan 30 with 1270 views | Rangersw12 |
I was on about the fact they exaggerate and mislead people with ridiculous statements like your one above | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 16:57 - Jan 30 with 1263 views | Snipper |
Who exaggerates? | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 17:17 - Jan 30 with 1246 views | themodfather |
many cities have no staff and many dislike that fact.
surely better for all if someone's on the spot, so to speak and who knows the system?
the pay and whatever is good compared to many but it was considered a dirty job, always vacancies, until recently stations had "open days" and recruited there and then, all of sudden it became a job in demand (why? cos the unions got better conditions) and you can't get on a waiting list!
cuts are t0 save 6% ...of the necessary cuts, so where does it stop? or start?
do tfl staff on £100k a year take a cut? nope...there's over 100 of them according to reports...where's the money from the land owned? shops leased? properties owned? etc one billion journeys and if all pay just £1 per journey, where's the problem?? money is in there somewhere, but we're w@ankers..... | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 17:21 - Jan 30 with 1236 views | RangersAreBack |
Everytime you get a raise, everyone else gets it as well. That is how we have ended up with so many TFL staff on over £100k p.a. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 17:25 - Jan 30 with 1231 views | Snipper |
So when all the unions, RMT, ASLEF & TSSA have pay negotiations, you think they're negotiating for the higher bigwigs within TFL?
Have a fcuking day off will yer. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 17:34 - Jan 30 with 1210 views | RangersAreBack |
The unions are there to represent all their members so any successful negotiations on pay and terms is cascaded to all.
A friend of mine is a senior manager at TFL. Part of her remit is to negotiate with the unions on behalf of TFL. Despite this, whenever the unions successfully renegotiate terms she also benefits. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 17:38 - Jan 30 with 1196 views | Sudbury_Hill_R |
Not true. Senior Managers are on Performance Related Pay only and sit outside the normal pay rise for the so called lower grades. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 18:04 - Jan 30 with 1168 views | ilovegambling |
This prick in southfields station rips people off I heard.  [Post edited 30 Jan 2014 18:13]
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 19:14 - Jan 30 with 1115 views | Lewes_Hoop |
Hello all as a long time lurker on these boards i find it amusing that the first topic that compels me to offer my ha'penneth is not to do with my beloved QPR, but this rather vitriolic debate which seems to be developing about the proposed LUL strike.
I have been dismayed that the first response to this thread was "w@nkers" when actively referring to people who are fighting not only to keep their jobs,( because lets make no mistake when you close every single ticket office on the underground you can be damn sure all those people will not be staffing the station despite what the lul management -tory propaganda machine tells you in the media,) but also to maintain the impeccable safety record that the system has, it is staff and well trained staff who deal with the emergencies, the bombings, the over crowded platforms in the rush hour, the mindlessly drunk , the fights, the heart attacks the one unders etc etc.
There seems to be a real race to the bottom with the argument that just because a worker in the public sector is fortunate enough to have a good salary and even more fortunate to have a good strong union able to defend his rights whilst everyone else has been absolutely shafted in real economic terms in the last few years that somehow they should be dragged screaming into the streets to be tarred and feathered,
Once again the argument has devolved to the old bogeyman of tube drivers, lets just be clear, yes drivers do get paid well but that pay is also to reflect ( like all pay for operational staff) that they do shift work including extreme shifts , the only annual leave guaranteed is christmas day so most bank holidays you find your self working and the work they do is safety critical, if you think driving a train is just about opening and closing the doors then think again.
One final point about the 24hr trains they are crowing about introducing on friday and saturday nights, the underground is a creaking decrepit victorian construction that quite literally is held together by string and chewing gum, when they introduce new kit the very often have to just bolt it onto pre existing technology , sometimes dating back to the 60s or 70s, and the engineering hours are vital to keep the whole thing running and i for one am really alarmed at the possibility that this time to carry out maintenance is going to be reduced.
sorry for the rant, but i have recently left London underground after 20 years service, i know its not perfect but by and large the workers are dedicated and just trying to make the best of a tough situation.
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 19:17 - Jan 30 with 1110 views | Sudbury_Hill_R |
Spot on | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 20:15 - Jan 30 with 1080 views | HollowayRanger |
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 20:26 - Jan 30 with 1072 views | Sudbury_Hill_R |
Is that the queue of 950 people who have lost their jobs? | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 20:32 - Jan 30 with 1061 views | HollowayRanger |
no these are hopefully their final victims | |
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 22:04 - Jan 30 with 1040 views | Lewes_Hoop |
Final victims? Sounds like your talking about war criminals rather than your own fellow tax paying countrymen standing up for their rights not to be shafted like everyone else. Lets just hope we don't have a disaster on the tube any time soon with a thousand less staff. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 22:19 - Jan 30 with 1025 views | HollowayRanger |
id call the strikes a disaster for london
but like you say as long as everyone ELSE is shafted | |
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 23:33 - Jan 30 with 997 views | themodfather |
well after 2 decades on the tube...i lose my position and am meant to take it and laugh? in all that time, the myth of strikes makes me laugh....most get called off thru the threat of action.
if londoners don't want ticket offices and staff, let them vote on it at the next mayoral election....ticket offices could stay and could still be a parcel pick up point and be vfm.
the smoke screen of all night trains is that...only a few lines will run and trains will be 4 an hour, so what if you are at a station with 2 lines and the other ain't working? ie the jubilee and at say wembley park, hoping to get to say watford....and you're a bit tipsy....how long will you wait before looking for staff and there will be 1 to find....
also they talk of the human right not to deport a killer or rapist, can i have the right to a job!??? [Post edited 30 Jan 2014 23:33]
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 00:35 - Jan 31 with 972 views | Northernr |
Do me a bloody favour. I've been in Washington this week where their fcking old, outdated, pretty much useless metro system runs until 3am. Every city in the world with one of these runs later than ours. We insist on cutting off at 0030. We're in the dark ages. What sort of fcking city pays their tube drivers this much and still has a system that's useless after midnight and closed completely after 0030. People all over the world work later than 00.00, and there aren't piles of bodies all over the place caused by tiredness. For a city like London to be closing it's main public transport infrastructure at midnight is almost as embarrassing as you saying my 45k p/a train driver might be a bit tired. They cope in every single other major city in the world, what's up with us?
Like I say, eroding public support with this sht. When Boris says we can have tubes with no drivers that run 24 hours, or tubes with drivers on 45k p/a that stop at 00.20 and strike every few weeks for some spurious cntishness what are we going to support? It's like the fcking turkeys flocking into a Christmas buffet.
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| Tube Strike confirmation on 00:42 - Jan 31 with 962 views | Northernr |
But the public perception is it isn't the last resort - it happens all too often for spurious reasons, destroying any public support for your cause. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 00:54 - Jan 31 with 955 views | Snipper |
Clive, I've always respected you for everything you've done for this board, what with the brilliant match reports and the like. But for this thread, I've got to disagree with you on a very big scale.
1. We do have widespread public support. Able bodied and disabled groups.
2. If it was really that easy to have driverless trains on the Underground, they'd have implemented it already. They may end up trying it on the Waterloo & City line to start, followed by the Hammersmith & City for example, but deep level tubes with no driver? Do me a fcuking favour.
3. So we're on strike every few weeks are we? Name me the last time we went on strike without having to check up on it?
4. How dare we fight for our future employment and conditions. There was no negotiations for the closing of all ticket offices. We've tried arguing the point of 1000 jobs going and making travelling on the Underground an unsafer place. Strike action is a last resort. You don't get to hear of the arguments going on beforehand.
I know you're never going to support us from where you are, but just try and see it from our side for 5 minutes. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 01:02 - Jan 31 with 946 views | Northernr |
You've got me all wrong. I don't want driverless trains, I cannot believe it's safe, and I don't want to be down there by myself. I don't want unmanned stations, I go abroad all the time with work and you don't want to be stuck in a foreign country at an unmanned station with an unfamiliar language wondering WTF you do next. I cannot be doing with Boris, who was basically elected in this city because he's good on HAGNFY, wasn't a Labour guy at a time when we wanted to give Labour a kicking, and was the fcking Standard's choice.
But I'm saying, as a fare paying member of the public, that in my opinion:
1 - the public perception is tube drivers are very, very well paid for what they do.
2 - the London Underground runs the shortest hours of any similar system in the developed world, and for the money earned by the drivers, opening later than 0030 isn't a big ask.
3 - the pubic perception is you strike a lot, for spurious reasons. The constant Boxing Day strikes, when you're asking for all sorts of extra money and days in lieu, for example. Get in the real world, where people are working boxing day for a pittance and a kick in the crotch.
4 - Bob Crowe annihilates the public support you're going to need when the driverless trains agenda pushes forward.
5 - Prolonged strike action fcks off the people you need to support you, and therefore plays right into the hands of the actual villains in all of this.
By striking, you're alienating the support you need, and playing right into Johnson's hands. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 01:09 - Jan 31 with 938 views | Snipper |
Fair enough. On the Boxing Day strikes, that was ASLEF, not the RMT. Believe it or not, the RMT didn't agree with ASLEF on this. They're not known as the greedy union by us for nothing. Lol | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 01:51 - Jan 31 with 924 views | RangersAreBack |
Spot off. | | | |
| Tube Strike confirmation on 01:54 - Jan 31 with 923 views | RangersAreBack |
Is true. Straight from the horses mouth. | | | |
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