| Verdicts from the riots 15:39 - Sep 24 with 2949 views | AnotherJohn |
The not guilty plea cases in the magistrates courts and more serious ones going to crown court are starting to trickle through. Some posters said that this would be the test of whether there is anything in the claim of "two-tier justice". At the time there were also allegations of "two-tier policing". For example, there was the case of the mob that surrounded the Birmingham pub, hospitalised a customer unwise enough to venture outside, and tried to slash the tyre on a Sky broadcast crew van. Well, one of the few persons charged that day has now appeared in court. The verdict is likely to add grist to the mill.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/uknews/man-filmed-at-protest-carrying-stick-clear
We are still waiting to hear what happens to Ricky Jones early next year. [Post edited 24 Sep 15:40]
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| Verdicts from the riots on 17:53 - Sep 24 with 2313 views | KeithHaynes |
Nonsense mate.
The EDL as we know do not exist, the Muslim equivalent does. The MDL, and people have been jailed for far less over the past few months. He took a stick, regardless of what it was to a breakdown of public order. The intention was clear.
These sticks are used at Friday prayers in the main, he’s been given carte blanche as has every other idiot to carry this weapon where he wants and whenever he wants. The burden of proof was proven. It won’t be long before we see these idiots in large gangs carrying these offensive weapons.
Maybe those on what these scum bags believe to the ‘other side’ should dance around maypoles majestically whilst waving their own sticks in the air. |  |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 17:54 - Sep 24 with 2307 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
"If there is any weapons or anything like that, then what I would do is discard them at the mosque.
"Don't give anybody any reason to have any interaction with police, so if there is any weapons, get rid of them and we won't have to arrest anyone."
The police. |  |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 17:56 - Sep 24 with 2294 views | union_jack |
The next thing we’ll hear is that a zombie knife is part of a prayer ritual but not intended to use for purposes of violence.
I’m getting sick of this country and the way it’s meting out so called justice. Today, I heard Yvette Cooper standing at the lecture, preening herself and spouting rubbish, saying how bad the Tories were and how they won’t tolerate disorder on the streets. Ok, fair enough but what about the grooming gangs mainly in the north west who have been allowed to get away with what they’ve done for far too long and undoubtedly still happening. They’ll go in with full riot gear to arrest a Facebook perpetrator but won’t set foot in the other strongholds.
If a hurty word is heard, be prepared to do some bird. Anything else, carry on!! |  |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 18:14 - Sep 24 with 2221 views | KeithHaynes |
| Verdicts from the riots on 17:56 - Sep 24 by union_jack |
The next thing we’ll hear is that a zombie knife is part of a prayer ritual but not intended to use for purposes of violence.
I’m getting sick of this country and the way it’s meting out so called justice. Today, I heard Yvette Cooper standing at the lecture, preening herself and spouting rubbish, saying how bad the Tories were and how they won’t tolerate disorder on the streets. Ok, fair enough but what about the grooming gangs mainly in the north west who have been allowed to get away with what they’ve done for far too long and undoubtedly still happening. They’ll go in with full riot gear to arrest a Facebook perpetrator but won’t set foot in the other strongholds.
If a hurty word is heard, be prepared to do some bird. Anything else, carry on!! |
It’s well known those grooming gangs were left alone and that decision came down from the very top of those forces involved.
Since that furore broke nobody can fault those ( who investigate ) and submit evidence to the CPS and courts that they aren’t doing their jobs to the best of their ability. Although I would say many an unqualified senior officer with no investigative history is still still looking to protect their careers wherever possible.
I can give many examples in a force well known to me, to the extent one Det Sgt told senior officers if his files on child abuse were rejected he would be sending them to the press with names of those who are blocking it.
He never got promoted again. And left that particular force with what I can only describe as one of the finest stools I’ve ever seen on the chief constables desk.
The problem is the alleged decision makers not the workers who go above and beyond, it’s just a shame the general public are a bit too thick to see it through their own ignorance.
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| Verdicts from the riots on 18:32 - Sep 24 with 2191 views | union_jack |
| Verdicts from the riots on 18:14 - Sep 24 by KeithHaynes |
It’s well known those grooming gangs were left alone and that decision came down from the very top of those forces involved.
Since that furore broke nobody can fault those ( who investigate ) and submit evidence to the CPS and courts that they aren’t doing their jobs to the best of their ability. Although I would say many an unqualified senior officer with no investigative history is still still looking to protect their careers wherever possible.
I can give many examples in a force well known to me, to the extent one Det Sgt told senior officers if his files on child abuse were rejected he would be sending them to the press with names of those who are blocking it.
He never got promoted again. And left that particular force with what I can only describe as one of the finest stools I’ve ever seen on the chief constables desk.
The problem is the alleged decision makers not the workers who go above and beyond, it’s just a shame the general public are a bit too thick to see it through their own ignorance.
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So, why doesn’t this new government hell bent on being the party of justice instruct said police forces to go in and do their job to protect innocent young girls. Incidentally, that was another claim by YC today that the streets should be safe and no females should be afraid to walk them.
This is two-tier policing at its finest. Not the force’s doing but the politicians who won’t back them. Unless it’s an easy target of course. Going into heavily inhabited Muslim areas is far from easy!
And I take it, the stool in question was not a three-legged wooden one😁 [Post edited 24 Sep 19:00]
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| Verdicts from the riots on 19:08 - Sep 24 with 2151 views | AnotherJohn |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 19:44 - Sep 24 with 2130 views | onehunglow |
| Verdicts from the riots on 17:56 - Sep 24 by union_jack |
The next thing we’ll hear is that a zombie knife is part of a prayer ritual but not intended to use for purposes of violence.
I’m getting sick of this country and the way it’s meting out so called justice. Today, I heard Yvette Cooper standing at the lecture, preening herself and spouting rubbish, saying how bad the Tories were and how they won’t tolerate disorder on the streets. Ok, fair enough but what about the grooming gangs mainly in the north west who have been allowed to get away with what they’ve done for far too long and undoubtedly still happening. They’ll go in with full riot gear to arrest a Facebook perpetrator but won’t set foot in the other strongholds.
If a hurty word is heard, be prepared to do some bird. Anything else, carry on!! |
Cooper ,Home Sec .
The most bleeding bleeding heart possible
Tough on crime ?
Yeah baby
This lot are going to cause havoc
They are as smug as the Tories | |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 23:09 - Sep 24 with 2002 views | majorraglan |
| Verdicts from the riots on 18:32 - Sep 24 by union_jack |
So, why doesn’t this new government hell bent on being the party of justice instruct said police forces to go in and do their job to protect innocent young girls. Incidentally, that was another claim by YC today that the streets should be safe and no females should be afraid to walk them.
This is two-tier policing at its finest. Not the force’s doing but the politicians who won’t back them. Unless it’s an easy target of course. Going into heavily inhabited Muslim areas is far from easy!
And I take it, the stool in question was not a three-legged wooden one😁 [Post edited 24 Sep 19:00]
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Where’s the evidence that today’s police are turning a blind eye and not protecting young girls? We have questions quite rightly been asked about Rochdale, but things have quite rightly moved on since then.
The streets should absolutely be safe from predators regardless of whether they’re from a minority community, a majority community or someone in a position of power like Wayne Couzens. The law’s the law and it should be applied without fear or favour. [Post edited 25 Sep 7:41]
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| Verdicts from the riots on 00:18 - Sep 25 with 1965 views | KeithHaynes |
| Verdicts from the riots on 18:32 - Sep 24 by union_jack |
So, why doesn’t this new government hell bent on being the party of justice instruct said police forces to go in and do their job to protect innocent young girls. Incidentally, that was another claim by YC today that the streets should be safe and no females should be afraid to walk them.
This is two-tier policing at its finest. Not the force’s doing but the politicians who won’t back them. Unless it’s an easy target of course. Going into heavily inhabited Muslim areas is far from easy!
And I take it, the stool in question was not a three-legged wooden one😁 [Post edited 24 Sep 19:00]
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The police do, in the main, the PM isn’t as powerful as he thinks if the general belief is he can instruct certain bodies to do as he wishes. He can influence, but the special groups who identify these issues are not funded well, the police hierarchy rely upon the goodwill of officers who do these jobs, and I’ve never seen any person flinch from that. Even when the chips are down.
I doubt there are easy targets in all police work. Or easy jobs. You seem to be confusing arrests and investigation with the sentencing of the courts. That’s not the police remit. They can only push their investigations in a lawful manner, it’s the CPS who decide. Times have changed with the ever evolving population make up and behaviour.
To investigate and pursue the offenders in any crime is one thing, especially bringing that to a certain standard. After that it’s down to solicitors and barristers and their competency to prosecute or defend. Many barristers can become a prosecutor one day and a defence barrister the next. As for innocent young girls, that needs to be a learned parental path, that’s where the issues are. As for Starmer referencing young girls in his numerous speeches, he really does need to drag himself out of the eighties and understand that the parents and carers of ‘children’ are the first stop. That’s where the issues begin. And not only with young girls being victims because they offend as much as well. Added to that this parental issue also produces many ‘children’ who with the correct initial guidance won’t produce victims and criminals.
He’s playing on the public sympathy and blaming too many public bodies, he needs to understand that by discriminating as he does regards ‘children’ he is just talking the talk without a bleeding clue what he is on about.
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| Verdicts from the riots on 00:38 - Sep 25 with 1947 views | Robbie |
Cyril Smith MP for Rochdale child abuse grooming gangs rife in that area still now being reported as current and past crimes .
How does it a named high ranking Politician once lurked alongside them predators , sad .
Stories came out again after him eating too many pies and leaving us he was a perv .
File under Saville and the rest of the dodgy so called Leaders .
Hope the good and honest people of Rochdale can turn their title into the good . | | | |
| Verdicts from the riots on 07:27 - Sep 25 with 1863 views | onehunglow |
Basically,justice is never really played out due to the very fact we have laws in the first place .
Court rooms are debating societies where the Head Boy sits in his finest wig and gown and has his fellow Silks argue ,debate using the finest sophism to get the verdict they ant and which will pay off .
Let nobody feel barristers are in any way concerned with justice or morality .
It is basically 21st C cock fighting
If you’re ever in the witness box,be very aware and careful . Use as few words as possible . | |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 10:20 - Sep 25 with 1742 views | mangohilljack |
It's clear for all to see that the globalist elites plan of causing nothing but chaos and division within western countries is playing out right before our very eyes.
It couldn't be more obvious.
If you want change and I mean really want change, get out and peacefully protest this weekend. The government will only listen when they see numbers and really big numbers.
You might not like Tommy Robinson, but everything that's annoying you now was brought to our attention many years ago (by him)when the media decided to demonise him and play the racist card.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost and more people are waking up to the fact of exactly what is going.
Your country needs you [Post edited 25 Sep 12:27]
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| Verdicts from the riots on 10:21 - Sep 25 with 1741 views | mangohilljack |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 10:27 - Sep 25 with 1723 views | union_jack |
| Verdicts from the riots on 10:20 - Sep 25 by mangohilljack |
It's clear for all to see that the globalist elites plan of causing nothing but chaos and division within western countries is playing out right before our very eyes.
It couldn't be more obvious.
If you want change and I mean really want change, get out and peacefully protest this weekend. The government will only listen when they see numbers and really big numbers.
You might not like Tommy Robinson, but everything that's annoying you now was brought to our attention many years ago (by him)when the media decided to demonise him and play the racist card.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost and more people are waking up to the fact of exactly what is going.
Your country needs you [Post edited 25 Sep 12:27]
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I hope the 26th October will be the catalyst for further peaceful but forceful protest. The people need to be heard. My fear is that the march will be subject to protestors who will antagonise to the point where some violence will occur. It’s guaranteed. And admittedly, with some who will be there it doesn’t take much to start them off and the media / press (barring one or two) will focus on that. | |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 11:24 - Sep 25 with 1660 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Verdicts from the riots on 10:27 - Sep 25 by union_jack |
I hope the 26th October will be the catalyst for further peaceful but forceful protest. The people need to be heard. My fear is that the march will be subject to protestors who will antagonise to the point where some violence will occur. It’s guaranteed. And admittedly, with some who will be there it doesn’t take much to start them off and the media / press (barring one or two) will focus on that. |
October 7th might be a flashpoint. No doubt we’ll have hundreds of thousands of purple haired socialist worker sign wavers and balaclava wearing individuals gratuitously celebrating the massacre, rape and kidnap of thousands of Jews by their mates Hamas last year. | |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 11:40 - Sep 25 with 1630 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
| Verdicts from the riots on 10:20 - Sep 25 by mangohilljack |
It's clear for all to see that the globalist elites plan of causing nothing but chaos and division within western countries is playing out right before our very eyes.
It couldn't be more obvious.
If you want change and I mean really want change, get out and peacefully protest this weekend. The government will only listen when they see numbers and really big numbers.
You might not like Tommy Robinson, but everything that's annoying you now was brought to our attention many years ago (by him)when the media decided to demonise him and play the racist card.
Now the chickens are coming home to roost and more people are waking up to the fact of exactly what is going.
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Out of interest when has peaceful protest ever achieved anything? There are hundreds or even thousands of marches and protests in the big cities every year. Most are completely ignored. | |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 12:26 - Sep 25 with 1568 views | mangohilljack |
| Verdicts from the riots on 11:40 - Sep 25 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
Out of interest when has peaceful protest ever achieved anything? There are hundreds or even thousands of marches and protests in the big cities every year. Most are completely ignored. |
During Covid I marched with many thousands (huge numbers for Australia) against the mandating of the vaccine, I believe it should be a choice and not forced on you to keep your job or enter a pub etc. eventually the mandates were dropped, was it a result of the protests? who knows but they certainly played a part.
You are correct though most protests do get ignored, which is why I said everybody who feels affected by what's going on need to get on the streets and peacefully make the puppets aware that the people are not a happy bunch. if the numbers are there then they will have no choice other than to listen. | | | |
| Verdicts from the riots on 12:56 - Sep 25 with 1525 views | onehunglow |
| Verdicts from the riots on 12:26 - Sep 25 by mangohilljack |
During Covid I marched with many thousands (huge numbers for Australia) against the mandating of the vaccine, I believe it should be a choice and not forced on you to keep your job or enter a pub etc. eventually the mandates were dropped, was it a result of the protests? who knows but they certainly played a part.
You are correct though most protests do get ignored, which is why I said everybody who feels affected by what's going on need to get on the streets and peacefully make the puppets aware that the people are not a happy bunch. if the numbers are there then they will have no choice other than to listen. |
Opposite view here
In times if a mass killer virus,all bets are off and everyday life goes out of the window
That means those who are afraid of a needle simply have to tough it out
Without vaccine we would still be on a state of flux
I would have demoed to jail those selfish enough to think they could carry on as normal
They were abnormal times | |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 13:19 - Sep 25 with 1524 views | mangohilljack |
| Verdicts from the riots on 12:56 - Sep 25 by onehunglow |
Opposite view here
In times if a mass killer virus,all bets are off and everyday life goes out of the window
That means those who are afraid of a needle simply have to tough it out
Without vaccine we would still be on a state of flux
I would have demoed to jail those selfish enough to think they could carry on as normal
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Respect your view and your entitlement to have it.
We all have our reasons for believing what we believe, that said though, how anybody can believe a word that comes out of MSM and the puppets who push the narratives all funded by the globalist elites of course just blows my mind. If it was such a deadly virus do you honestly think those who were telling us it was would be having parties and orgies with all and sundry in the back garden. I think not.
I also understand that many lost friends and relatives around that time and were told it was as result of Covid. I sympathise like any normal human being for the loss of a friend or a loved one but as hard as I try I cannot believe a word of anything the main faces of the time told us. Strangely enough most seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth now they have made a bob or two out of it. | | | |
| Verdicts from the riots on 13:23 - Sep 25 with 1511 views | onehunglow |
| Verdicts from the riots on 13:19 - Sep 25 by mangohilljack |
Respect your view and your entitlement to have it.
We all have our reasons for believing what we believe, that said though, how anybody can believe a word that comes out of MSM and the puppets who push the narratives all funded by the globalist elites of course just blows my mind. If it was such a deadly virus do you honestly think those who were telling us it was would be having parties and orgies with all and sundry in the back garden. I think not.
I also understand that many lost friends and relatives around that time and were told it was as result of Covid. I sympathise like any normal human being for the loss of a friend or a loved one but as hard as I try I cannot believe a word of anything the main faces of the time told us. Strangely enough most seem to have disappeared off the face of the earth now they have made a bob or two out of it. |
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| Verdicts from the riots on 23:12 - Sep 25 with 1306 views | majorraglan |
I don’t think this indicative of a trend or a conspiracy / double standards, the CPS have simply failed to prove the case and secure a conviction, they were up against a very tough defence team, the quality of which wouldn’t often be seen in Magistrates Court.
I’ll be honest and say I’ve never heard the term coconut being used before
Court is very adversarial and as OHL has said on more than 1 occasion justice isn’t always served and proceedings can look to many to be a bit of a game. On this occasion, I suspect the CPS have been out gunned and out manoeuvred by the defence team which contains some seriously experienced and highly capable lawyers including a KC and Gareth Pierce who has bags of experience in really serious cases.
Most of the sentences we’ve seen handed out to the rioters are because the defendants have pleaded guilty. I don’t think many if any cases of violent disorder have been listed for trial at the Crown Court. | | | |
| Verdicts from the riots on 23:41 - Sep 25 with 1291 views | howenjack |
| Verdicts from the riots on 23:12 - Sep 25 by majorraglan |
I don’t think this indicative of a trend or a conspiracy / double standards, the CPS have simply failed to prove the case and secure a conviction, they were up against a very tough defence team, the quality of which wouldn’t often be seen in Magistrates Court.
I’ll be honest and say I’ve never heard the term coconut being used before
Court is very adversarial and as OHL has said on more than 1 occasion justice isn’t always served and proceedings can look to many to be a bit of a game. On this occasion, I suspect the CPS have been out gunned and out manoeuvred by the defence team which contains some seriously experienced and highly capable lawyers including a KC and Gareth Pierce who has bags of experience in really serious cases.
Most of the sentences we’ve seen handed out to the rioters are because the defendants have pleaded guilty. I don’t think many if any cases of violent disorder have been listed for trial at the Crown Court. |
Coconut is a well known term in the cities used to refer to a black/coloured person on the outside but a "white " person on the inside." White person" meaning that he /she relates ostensibly to white culture and norms which could relate to occupation / choice of domicility/ political views /friends and relationships/pastimes etc etc.
Bounty bar is another derogatory term with racist overtones.
There is no doubt the woman waving that flag with coconut on it was making a racist comment and should have been prosecuted. | | | |
| Verdicts from the riots on 08:36 - Sep 26 with 1188 views | AnotherJohn |
| Verdicts from the riots on 23:12 - Sep 25 by majorraglan |
I don’t think this indicative of a trend or a conspiracy / double standards, the CPS have simply failed to prove the case and secure a conviction, they were up against a very tough defence team, the quality of which wouldn’t often be seen in Magistrates Court.
I’ll be honest and say I’ve never heard the term coconut being used before
Court is very adversarial and as OHL has said on more than 1 occasion justice isn’t always served and proceedings can look to many to be a bit of a game. On this occasion, I suspect the CPS have been out gunned and out manoeuvred by the defence team which contains some seriously experienced and highly capable lawyers including a KC and Gareth Pierce who has bags of experience in really serious cases.
Most of the sentences we’ve seen handed out to the rioters are because the defendants have pleaded guilty. I don’t think many if any cases of violent disorder have been listed for trial at the Crown Court. |
I'm really surprised that you have not heard that term, Major. In the distant past "coco-tops" was used as a derogatory term for black persons, I think with certain hair styles. More recently "coconut" has been used to refer to persons alleged to be brown on the outside but white inside - racially inauthentic. It is a modern version of "Uncle Tom" or "house negro".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/p0jsb0sn
This would not be lost on most people, but it seems that the magistrate knew less than the infamous "man on the Clapham Omnibus". [Post edited 26 Sep 8:42]
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| Verdicts from the riots on 09:04 - Sep 26 with 1148 views | onehunglow |
| Verdicts from the riots on 23:12 - Sep 25 by majorraglan |
I don’t think this indicative of a trend or a conspiracy / double standards, the CPS have simply failed to prove the case and secure a conviction, they were up against a very tough defence team, the quality of which wouldn’t often be seen in Magistrates Court.
I’ll be honest and say I’ve never heard the term coconut being used before
Court is very adversarial and as OHL has said on more than 1 occasion justice isn’t always served and proceedings can look to many to be a bit of a game. On this occasion, I suspect the CPS have been out gunned and out manoeuvred by the defence team which contains some seriously experienced and highly capable lawyers including a KC and Gareth Pierce who has bags of experience in really serious cases.
Most of the sentences we’ve seen handed out to the rioters are because the defendants have pleaded guilty. I don’t think many if any cases of violent disorder have been listed for trial at the Crown Court. |
The female Gareth ,infamous ,notorious for “ defending” the truly dangerous and she does it with a straight bat . I remember being told by a barrister they “have” to accept a brief no matter what the client is charged with .
Now,yiu either believe that or you don’t
Being self employed,barristers cannot afford to lose ,literally .
It is no coincidence the highest paid defend the highest profile . The “ best” barrister is a misnomer . | |
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