| Trump 09:43 - Oct 27 with 149286 views | Hooparoo |
An Australian professor of Data Analytics from Griffith University who predicted Trump’s first win, the Australian Federal Election(when all the polls said the opposite) and Brexit has called it - Trump will be re-elected for another 4 years. You heard it here first. |  |
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| Trump on 22:27 - Nov 11 with 2242 views | BrixtonR |
Its 100% clear:
No but Why are you behaving like this are you American. What are your thoughts on Abortion and Gun Control ? |  | | |
| Trump on 23:16 - Nov 11 with 2208 views | kensalriser |
No matter how much misinformation and lies (much propagated by Trump and the Trump campaign) people pick up and spread, Biden won the election fair and square and by a decisive margin. There is no serious or credible evidence to the contrary.
And no, I'm not interested in stuff cribbed from extremely partisan, non-credible, non-accountable random sources on the internet. |  |
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| Trump on 00:59 - Nov 12 with 2130 views | CLAREMAN1995 |
I am puzzled by those bizarre questions also after you just explaining why the full recount is going ahead in Georgia .This state has now jumped to front and center with 2 Senate seats going to run offs and that could shift the balance of power in the US senate .If the Democrats win both seats they will be a dead heat and Vice President elect Harris would be the deciding vote.If the Democrats succeed here and Biden is elected they already have the House they will have complete control of the US basically.
I know every poster on LFT except for maybe 3 want Trump out but if he wins Georgia in the recount (I actually think he has a huge chance )then its going to be game on and at least 5 other States will have to do the same right away IMO.This is a long way from over |  | | |
| Trump on 01:45 - Nov 12 with 2105 views | GaryT |
| Trump on 00:59 - Nov 12 by CLAREMAN1995 |
I am puzzled by those bizarre questions also after you just explaining why the full recount is going ahead in Georgia .This state has now jumped to front and center with 2 Senate seats going to run offs and that could shift the balance of power in the US senate .If the Democrats win both seats they will be a dead heat and Vice President elect Harris would be the deciding vote.If the Democrats succeed here and Biden is elected they already have the House they will have complete control of the US basically.
I know every poster on LFT except for maybe 3 want Trump out but if he wins Georgia in the recount (I actually think he has a huge chance )then its going to be game on and at least 5 other States will have to do the same right away IMO.This is a long way from over |
Biden is up 12,651 votes in Georgia, 12,828 in Arizona, 20,539 in Wisconsin, 36,870 in Nevada and 51,969 in Pennsylvania. As you know, recounts rarely find more than a few hundred ballots to discount so right off the bat there's nothing here he has a chance of flipping. Biden's too far ahead in Pennsylvania and Nevada so can't be recounted so he needs to flip two out of the other three which is extremely unlikely.
I agree the game is far from over but he won't win on recounts. His only play is to keep delaying the process so that final decisions can't be made and then have several states send two slates of representatives to the electoral collage. If the collage votes in favour of Trump all hell will break loose but even then it doesn't end there (see The Atlantic article I posted the other day https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2020/11/what-if-trump-refuses-conce |  | | |
| Trump on 06:34 - Nov 12 with 2037 views | Konk |
If you’ve watched Clive’s video, then for some balance, you should read this article too:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/postal-worker-hopkins-ballot-penns
I’m not sure Richard Hopkins is the most credible witness, here.
Worth noting that according to a growing number of conspiracy loons/Trump cult members, FOX news(!) are now also involved in the Socialist plot to deny Trump his rightful victory. That’s how insane this has got. FOX doing Biden’s bidding. I think Trump is so far 12-0 down in his court cases trying to establish electoral fraud. Something to do with a complete lack of evidence. Still, all those judges are probably socialists or something to do with George Soros. |  |
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| Trump on 07:26 - Nov 12 with 1997 views | Northernr |
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys? |  | | |
| Trump on 07:53 - Nov 12 with 1956 views | distortR |
| Trump on 07:26 - Nov 12 by Northernr |
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys? |
'trumpeting conspiracy theories'?
oh come on, as we've seen on the g.clarke, retired thread, language evolves.
'trumping conspiracy theories' surely? |  | | |
| Trump on 07:56 - Nov 12 with 1948 views | stevec |
| Trump on 07:26 - Nov 12 by Northernr |
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys? |
Fair comment but there is a minor difference, there was never any allegation at the Brexit vote that the winners had subverted the voting papers in anyway.
Admittedly, there’s been no evidence yet in the US but any vote that is essentially allowed to ‘carry on’ after the voting date is leaving itself wide open to accusations of fraudulent practice.
There is a real problem with postal voting, it’s well known that family members over here are having their voting papers filled in for them. There was serious fraud in an East London Borough that resulted in prosecutions.
Trump should do the decent thing and walk but in future postal voting should be strictly for those incapable of getting to a voting station. |  | | |
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| Trump on 08:01 - Nov 12 with 1941 views | Konk |
| Trump on 07:26 - Nov 12 by Northernr |
There was an election. He lost. By a wide margin as well, millions of votes, and tens of thousands of votes in the swing states. Not 500 votes, as in Florida in 2000, many thousands.
There seems to be a big correlation between those who gave it the "you lost, get over it" on Brexit and have spent the last few years shouting down naysayers of that result and how it was achieved as "bitter remoaners", and those who are now trumpeting conspiracy theories which so far have no base at all in fact and recounts. Which I find odd. Are you steadfast defenders of democracy, every result must be followed to the absolut nth degree or democracy is dead forever, or are you not guys? |
Absolutely. If you win, the other lot need to get on with it and stop cryng; the ‘silent majority‘ have spoken (even when it’s a minority). When they then lose, it must be fraud because how else do you explain the ‘silent majority’ losing an election? It doesn’t occur to some of them that outside their Facebook groups and family, maybe they’re actually in the minority at times.
Worth noting that Remainers and Dems in 2016 were angry at misinformation peddled by their opponents and Russian interference, but never questioned the integrity of the referendum/election. Trump knows he lost and he doesn’t care about the harm he’s doing to democracy in America and further afield. | |
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| Trump on 08:07 - Nov 12 with 1922 views | traininvain |
| Trump on 07:56 - Nov 12 by stevec |
Fair comment but there is a minor difference, there was never any allegation at the Brexit vote that the winners had subverted the voting papers in anyway.
Admittedly, there’s been no evidence yet in the US but any vote that is essentially allowed to ‘carry on’ after the voting date is leaving itself wide open to accusations of fraudulent practice.
There is a real problem with postal voting, it’s well known that family members over here are having their voting papers filled in for them. There was serious fraud in an East London Borough that resulted in prosecutions.
Trump should do the decent thing and walk but in future postal voting should be strictly for those incapable of getting to a voting station. |
Agreed. For example during a global pandemic.
The idea that Trump somehow still has a chance of legitimately winning the election is quite frankly laughable (I know it wasn’t you Steve). Visited the Conservative forum on Reddit and felt like I’d entered a parallel universe.
Funny that Trump and many of his supporters say the media don’t decide the election yet they celebrate Alaska when the media called it yesterday. The hypocrisy is outstanding. |  | | |
| Trump on 08:12 - Nov 12 with 1913 views | stevec |
| Trump on 08:01 - Nov 12 by Konk |
Absolutely. If you win, the other lot need to get on with it and stop cryng; the ‘silent majority‘ have spoken (even when it’s a minority). When they then lose, it must be fraud because how else do you explain the ‘silent majority’ losing an election? It doesn’t occur to some of them that outside their Facebook groups and family, maybe they’re actually in the minority at times.
Worth noting that Remainers and Dems in 2016 were angry at misinformation peddled by their opponents and Russian interference, but never questioned the integrity of the referendum/election. Trump knows he lost and he doesn’t care about the harm he’s doing to democracy in America and further afield. |
Worth noting, Remainers spent the next three and a half years trying to over turn the Brexit democratic vote.
Worth noting, Democrats spent the next three and a half years trying to throw out a democratically elected US President.
Or have you conveniently forgotten about that? | | | |
| Trump on 08:15 - Nov 12 with 1905 views | Watford_Ranger |
| Trump on 08:12 - Nov 12 by stevec |
Worth noting, Remainers spent the next three and a half years trying to over turn the Brexit democratic vote.
Worth noting, Democrats spent the next three and a half years trying to throw out a democratically elected US President.
Or have you conveniently forgotten about that? |
It’s going so well though that they’ve been made to look foolish. | | | |
| Trump on 08:20 - Nov 12 with 1893 views | Northernr |
| Trump on 07:56 - Nov 12 by stevec |
Fair comment but there is a minor difference, there was never any allegation at the Brexit vote that the winners had subverted the voting papers in anyway.
Admittedly, there’s been no evidence yet in the US but any vote that is essentially allowed to ‘carry on’ after the voting date is leaving itself wide open to accusations of fraudulent practice.
There is a real problem with postal voting, it’s well known that family members over here are having their voting papers filled in for them. There was serious fraud in an East London Borough that resulted in prosecutions.
Trump should do the decent thing and walk but in future postal voting should be strictly for those incapable of getting to a voting station. |
"Admittedly, there’s been no evidence "
Well, you said it Steve. | | | |
| Trump on 08:34 - Nov 12 with 2638 views | 2Thomas2Bowles |
Trump must be hoping it takes 3 years to sort it out like Brexit
Maybe the republicans can get some tips from remainers.  |  |
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| Trump on 08:36 - Nov 12 with 2653 views | Northernr |
The difference is last time you won and were very happy about it, and this time you've lost and you're not. That's it. You know it too.
Coming up with conspiracy theories, posting YouTube videos from rambling postmen on niche YouTube channels, demanding recounts and re-runs - this is all the same stuff you've been taking the pis out of an railing against for the last four years. There were spending rules broken in the Brexit campaign, you didn't want to know. There were obvious lies told in the Brexit campaign, you didn't want to know. Now it's your guy that lost, you're up in arms about everything.
If you'd like I could post you YouTube videos saying 9/11 was faked, Manchester Bombings were faked, moon landings were faked.
This is why we don't do politics threads on here any more. Because people are so entrenched on their side that their side can do no wrong, and if they somehow lose then it must be an enormous conspiracy.
It's time to climb down. He lost. | | | |
| Trump on 08:41 - Nov 12 with 2636 views | stevec |
Interesting to know.
Incidentally, would I be right in thinking that dodgy voting practice generally favours the more left of our parties in western politics?
Just curious. | | | |
| Trump on 08:47 - Nov 12 with 2605 views | Northernr |
Well on that we're in full agreement. | | | |
| Trump on 09:18 - Nov 12 with 2531 views | Maggsinho |
I assume you're also concerned about Trump's victories in Alaska, Maine, Texas, Florida, etc, etc given the system is so dodgy? |  | | |
| Trump on 09:19 - Nov 12 with 2531 views | dm97 |
The truly terrifying outcome of this election, visible in the US and elsewhere (including here), is the extent to which a significant part of the electorate are hungry to consume lies. Complimented by the ease of misinformation transfer via twitter, the fundamental democratic basis of 'the consent of the loser' suddenly isn't a given. Genuinely scary.
Meanwhile, Vlad, Kim and Xi are sitting back and having a good old laugh |  | | |
| Trump on 09:35 - Nov 12 with 2493 views | traininvain |
| Trump on 09:19 - Nov 12 by dm97 |
The truly terrifying outcome of this election, visible in the US and elsewhere (including here), is the extent to which a significant part of the electorate are hungry to consume lies. Complimented by the ease of misinformation transfer via twitter, the fundamental democratic basis of 'the consent of the loser' suddenly isn't a given. Genuinely scary.
Meanwhile, Vlad, Kim and Xi are sitting back and having a good old laugh |
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve got mates (who are usually sensible people) sending me Breitbart videos claiming that Biden’s a paedo.
We’re starting to see the full extent of years of misinformation shared on Twitter, Facebook etc and it feels like the world is heading towards a very dark place. | | | |
| Trump on 09:43 - Nov 12 with 2469 views | Konk |
| Trump on 08:12 - Nov 12 by stevec |
Worth noting, Remainers spent the next three and a half years trying to over turn the Brexit democratic vote.
Worth noting, Democrats spent the next three and a half years trying to throw out a democratically elected US President.
Or have you conveniently forgotten about that? |
Steve, I will concede that some Remainers wanted to overturn Brexit - that's a fair point. I voted Remain, but when Jo Swinson made it Lib Dem policy to revoke Article 51, I thought that was completely undemocratic and dangerous. If there was widespread support for that move, then you'd have thought it would have led to a massive upsurge in the Lib Dem share of the vote; it didn't. It worked so well, Swinson resigned, so that suggests a lack of widespread appetite for that policy.
I think most Remainers accepted the vote even if they struggled to understand it, but felt that Parliament and not just the government should have a say in determining on what terms we left the EU. And given the fact that Eurosceptics have been banging on about Parliamentary sovereignty since we joined the Common Market, maybe there was a time when they'd have agreed with that too. Except they only appear to believe in Parliamentary democracy when it suits them.
Dems didn't spend three-and-a-half years trying to throw out Trump. Given the insane amount of contacts/business dealings between key members of Trump's 2016 Campaign and Russia, and the number of those campaign staff who lied about that those contacts, and the US Intelligence's concerns about the Russian individuals involved, it would have been a bit weird if they hadn't had an inquiry, no? Every branch of the US Intelligence services has said definitively that their was Russian interference. Even a GOP-led Intelligence select committee, published a report this year stating conclusively that Russia interfered. Do you not find it a bit odd that Trump has never once taken a position against Putin? Literally never had a bad word to say about him, only praise? That he publicly said he believed Putin's word over the findings of US Intelligence? That in Helsinki, he met Putin alone, with only two interpreters and no notes were taken and that the contents of that conversation weren't recorded or published? Literally unprecedented behaviour. The Mueller report didn't exonerate him - Mueller subsequently went on the record to emphasise that point. And Mueller never interviewed Trump - his lawyers responded to written questions, and they never looked at any money trail, which senior investigators on the team still can't understand.
And Trump wasn't impeached over Russia - he was impeached over withholding military aid to Ukraine, until they announced that they were holding an enquiry into Hunter Biden, and Joe Biden - his most likely opponent in the 2020 election (as per polling at the time) - and their role in the ousting of Shokin. So, I completely disagree with you on the 2016 US election, unless it's the case that National security isn't worth worrying about?
Oh, and if you're worried about the integrity of postal ballots, call the cops, but I've voted in person for my brother when he was on holiday, and voted for a flatmate (the only time I've ever voted Tory) when he was stuck at work, so maybe it's not just postal ballots we need to worry about. I think I've only ever shown my polling card 2-3 times. There's no ID check, is there? If my neighbour has told me he's not voting, what's to stop me bowling-up, giving his name and address and having his vote? The US military, ex-pats etc, and even Donald Trump, himself, have been voting via absentee ballots without this being a big problem until Trump knows they were gonna be heavily stacked Dem, because they're the ones taking the pandemic more seriously, and therefore less likely to want to vote in person.
EDIT. And maybe if Trump-appointee, Dejoy hadn't spent months stripping out sorting capacity at USPS for unexplained reasons, and running down their services, more ballots might have arrived by 3rd Nov, although as has been pointed out, in many states, there's a window for late-arriving ballots, as long as they are postmarked Election day or before.
Trump's asking for donations to fight the election result(s) - the small print states that up to 60% of monies raised will go to clearing down his campaign debt - we probably shouldn't overlook that as another motive for stringing this out. [Post edited 12 Nov 2020 10:08]
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| Trump on 09:48 - Nov 12 with 2451 views | dm97 |
| Trump on 09:35 - Nov 12 by traininvain |
Couldn’t agree more. I’ve got mates (who are usually sensible people) sending me Breitbart videos claiming that Biden’s a paedo.
We’re starting to see the full extent of years of misinformation shared on Twitter, Facebook etc and it feels like the world is heading towards a very dark place. |
Spent a year in the US as part of uni. Nearly all my mates there voted Trump/Indy in 2016. They are all either silent atm or sharing videos of burning 'ballots' in NH, VA, CO. A dark place indeed | | | |
| Trump on 09:56 - Nov 12 with 2427 views | StanFan |
I'm firmly of the view that Trump has lost and that current developments are bad for the US and a bit scary. But my point is this. Trump has entered a contest which has a set of rules in place and has to abide by the result. If he has evidence of fraud then he obviously has the right to pursue that but we have seen none. He also has the right of recounts in tight states. What he doesn't have the right to do is question whether postal ballots should be counted. Those are the rules of the game. It's a bit like QPR saying that there should be no penalties and so not accepting the goals we concede that way. He had 4 years as president in which he could have raised this and perhaps even done something about it. Instead he waits until they are going against him. Not good enough. |  | | |
| Trump on 10:17 - Nov 12 with 2389 views | robith |
Well, we've reached the "openly posting conspiracy theories" stage of the thread, so time to bow out.
Cheers though guys, was a really interesting read and way to spend the count |  | | |
| Trump on 10:44 - Nov 12 with 2327 views | EastR |
| Trump on 10:17 - Nov 12 by robith |
Well, we've reached the "openly posting conspiracy theories" stage of the thread, so time to bow out.
Cheers though guys, was a really interesting read and way to spend the count |
Good shout
If we've learned anything from the last 4 years it's that when democracy speaks and the majority have their say the result isn't going to change
The Last Post has been sounded and the Big Loser Trumpeteers just need to slope off now. As he likes to quote himself : 'no one remembers who came in second' | |
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