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OUT WITH A DEAL EATING OUR CAKE AND LOVING IT suck it up remoaners
And like a typical anti democracy remoaner he decided the will of the people should be ignored the minute the democratic result was in total fecking hypocrite 😂😂😂😂😂😂
Despite it being voted in to law by the commons the spineless two faced remoaner MPs have totally abandoned any morals and decided to ignore the will of the British people.
It will be remembered and no election or referendum will ever be the same again in this country.
The one thing that will come is a massive surge in the popularity of UKIP or a similar party in the future who stand for the 52%.
Happy Days.
[Post edited 1 Jan 2021 14:13]
OUT AFLI SUCK IT UP REMOANER LOSERS
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The wait was well worth it. on 18:46 - Jun 17 by chad
What I said was...
‘Or perhaps I am already well aware of it, and consider it fairly irrelevant
And then clearly explained why that was my opinion
So please don’t present me as some, actual legislation, denier. And of course, as I am sure you understand, the significant percentage of the rough sleepers on the streets, that are down to EU immigration entitlement, is just one small issue in relation to the EU. Some of the far more concerning ones I listed in my earlier post. Interestingly we are not discussing those.
I think as rational people we may agree, that if optional legislation is brought in, that we consider too costly, difficult and politically sensitive (like rounding people up off the streets) to enact with a reasonable degree of success. Then it certainly would not be unfair to describe it in ones own opinion as being fairly irrelevant. Especially as we voted to leave the EU a number of years ago.
As far as the rest of your post, be careful someone will be along to accuse you of whataboutism, or not :)
That is the problem, as we have been drawn deeper and deeper down the EU rabbit hole, it is almost a deadly embrace. Just as well we got out now.
But how can the legislation be irrelevant; it's not. It either forces our hand or does not. That's the point.
I agree what's done is done with the EU, but there have been far, far too many things that have been blamed on the EU when it was in our gift to do something about it. And we weren't too far down the rabbit hole, we weren't in the Schengen, we had our rebates and we had vetoes. Anyway, it's in the past.
SNP’s EU passion is one-sided love affair - END these Euro-fanatic policies - JIM SILLARS
SNP veteran and the party's former Deputy Leader, Jim Sillars, has decried his party's affinity for the EU likening it to watching someone in a one-sided love affair, so blinded by adoration that no imperfections can be seen of the other. He urges his party to abandon its ‘Euro-fanatic' policies and urges Boris Johnson to stick by the end of year transition deadline.
I am the architect of the ‘Independence in Europe’ policy to which the SNP still sticks, limpet like. First aired by me, as a Labour MP, a few days after being on the losing side of the 1975 EEC referendum. No one understood it. After I joined the SNP, the party eventually adopted the policy in 1987. By then, the idea of Scotland being just like Ireland and Denmark in the EEC had attractive logic. A political bonus was its answer to the unionist gibe of ‘separatist’.
Although now 12 states, little had changed since 1975 to the range of veto powers a member state could wield to defend a vital national interest. The 1970 Werner report on steps to economic and monetary union seemed to have died a death. But my view began to change. As the EEC enlarged; the veto powers were steadily demolished in step with a vast extension of Commission competence. The ‘independence’ offered by being ‘in Europe,’ was now nothing like that available in 1987. I knew the claim that states ‘share’ sovereignty was a canard — they transferred it, permanently, to the Brussels institutions: the unelected Commission, the conclaves of COREPER (meetings of ambassadors) where the real bargaining Is done, with its recommendations going to the equally secret Council of Ministers; and ‘though the EU Parliament has elected MEPs, they are not there on a pan-EU basis.
The member states on EU territory, lack the homogeneity to create a genuine European polity, meaning its unelected, secretive character will not change.
Strangely, for a political party that worships the idea of independence, the SNP has never once submitted ‘Independence in Europe’ to any analysis, as if the ‘Europe’ of 1987 was in aspic, when treaty after treaty, right up to and including Lisbon, had changed it fundamentally, and not to the advantage of the sovereignty the party claims it wants. It is difficult to understand the spell the EU casts upon the SNP, the whole membership, not just the leadership. Even when EU policy scuppers the intention of the Scottish government it makes no dent in the admiration. One such example was when the Scottish government wanted to write into a public procurement Bill a condition that any company bidding for a contract had to pay the living wage. But EU rules said no.
Even now, when Michael Barnier is insisting on the virtual continuation of the CFP, there is no fierce Scottish government rebuttal. When fishing is raised, the UK government is the target, charged with getting ready for a ‘sell-out.’ To whom can it sell-out? The EU. It is like watching someone in a one-sided love affair, so blinded by adoration that no imperfections can be seen of the other. A good example can be read in Ian Blackford’s wail, in the Sunday Herald, (after 31 March) when he bemoaned the danger Brexit posed to the ‘countless rights we have enjoyed and benefited from along with our EU partners.’ It was tripe, and I told him so. The only workers’ rights torn to shreds have been in two of those partners, Greece and Portugal, when the EU Troika descended upon them.
The austerity dished out to Spain and Italy was savage. He was also oblivious to the historical fact that the right to paid annual holidays was won in 1938 by the trade union movement in the UK; and that UK paternal, maternity and other rights are at a higher level than the EU minimum. ‘Facts are chiels that winna ding’ (facts cannot be disputed), wrote Robert Burns. He did not anticipate the SNP and Brexit. But hope beats eternal in that bleeding heart of the SNP. Covid-19 is now a reason for demanding that the transition be extended beyond 31 December with the hope it will go on, and on, and on, and we shall still be under the shield of the Commission and the European Court of Justice — the one in the Viking and Laval judgments that decided capital had supremacy over labour.
That ECJ decision was, of course, correct, as that is precisely what the treaties say. I hope Johnson keeps up his ‘not listening’ attitude to the SNP and brings Brexit to its finality at the end of the year on WTO rules if that proves necessary. Far from Covid being a reason to remain locked into the EU, it is only by being out completely that the UK will be able to make full use of the tool of sovereignty to re-construct the economy once the lockdown is over, and the enormous damage is revealed. Freed from the EU’s myriad of laws and rules drawn from them, and its obsession with one-size-fits-all, we shall not be ham-strung as the remaining member states will be, when imagination, innovation, flexibility, bold new unorthodox policies, will be our way out of the economic crisis. My dissent from the Euro-fanatic SNP policies, and others, has seen me invited by some members to resign. I have not done so, in the hope that - to borrow an old song - things can only get better.
Jim Sillars is the former deputy leader of the SNP and an Advisory Board member to the Foundation for Independence.
The wait was well worth it. on 00:13 - Jun 20 by Kerouac
SNP’s EU passion is one-sided love affair - END these Euro-fanatic policies - JIM SILLARS
SNP veteran and the party's former Deputy Leader, Jim Sillars, has decried his party's affinity for the EU likening it to watching someone in a one-sided love affair, so blinded by adoration that no imperfections can be seen of the other. He urges his party to abandon its ‘Euro-fanatic' policies and urges Boris Johnson to stick by the end of year transition deadline.
I am the architect of the ‘Independence in Europe’ policy to which the SNP still sticks, limpet like. First aired by me, as a Labour MP, a few days after being on the losing side of the 1975 EEC referendum. No one understood it. After I joined the SNP, the party eventually adopted the policy in 1987. By then, the idea of Scotland being just like Ireland and Denmark in the EEC had attractive logic. A political bonus was its answer to the unionist gibe of ‘separatist’.
Although now 12 states, little had changed since 1975 to the range of veto powers a member state could wield to defend a vital national interest. The 1970 Werner report on steps to economic and monetary union seemed to have died a death. But my view began to change. As the EEC enlarged; the veto powers were steadily demolished in step with a vast extension of Commission competence. The ‘independence’ offered by being ‘in Europe,’ was now nothing like that available in 1987. I knew the claim that states ‘share’ sovereignty was a canard — they transferred it, permanently, to the Brussels institutions: the unelected Commission, the conclaves of COREPER (meetings of ambassadors) where the real bargaining Is done, with its recommendations going to the equally secret Council of Ministers; and ‘though the EU Parliament has elected MEPs, they are not there on a pan-EU basis.
The member states on EU territory, lack the homogeneity to create a genuine European polity, meaning its unelected, secretive character will not change.
Strangely, for a political party that worships the idea of independence, the SNP has never once submitted ‘Independence in Europe’ to any analysis, as if the ‘Europe’ of 1987 was in aspic, when treaty after treaty, right up to and including Lisbon, had changed it fundamentally, and not to the advantage of the sovereignty the party claims it wants. It is difficult to understand the spell the EU casts upon the SNP, the whole membership, not just the leadership. Even when EU policy scuppers the intention of the Scottish government it makes no dent in the admiration. One such example was when the Scottish government wanted to write into a public procurement Bill a condition that any company bidding for a contract had to pay the living wage. But EU rules said no.
Even now, when Michael Barnier is insisting on the virtual continuation of the CFP, there is no fierce Scottish government rebuttal. When fishing is raised, the UK government is the target, charged with getting ready for a ‘sell-out.’ To whom can it sell-out? The EU. It is like watching someone in a one-sided love affair, so blinded by adoration that no imperfections can be seen of the other. A good example can be read in Ian Blackford’s wail, in the Sunday Herald, (after 31 March) when he bemoaned the danger Brexit posed to the ‘countless rights we have enjoyed and benefited from along with our EU partners.’ It was tripe, and I told him so. The only workers’ rights torn to shreds have been in two of those partners, Greece and Portugal, when the EU Troika descended upon them.
The austerity dished out to Spain and Italy was savage. He was also oblivious to the historical fact that the right to paid annual holidays was won in 1938 by the trade union movement in the UK; and that UK paternal, maternity and other rights are at a higher level than the EU minimum. ‘Facts are chiels that winna ding’ (facts cannot be disputed), wrote Robert Burns. He did not anticipate the SNP and Brexit. But hope beats eternal in that bleeding heart of the SNP. Covid-19 is now a reason for demanding that the transition be extended beyond 31 December with the hope it will go on, and on, and on, and we shall still be under the shield of the Commission and the European Court of Justice — the one in the Viking and Laval judgments that decided capital had supremacy over labour.
That ECJ decision was, of course, correct, as that is precisely what the treaties say. I hope Johnson keeps up his ‘not listening’ attitude to the SNP and brings Brexit to its finality at the end of the year on WTO rules if that proves necessary. Far from Covid being a reason to remain locked into the EU, it is only by being out completely that the UK will be able to make full use of the tool of sovereignty to re-construct the economy once the lockdown is over, and the enormous damage is revealed. Freed from the EU’s myriad of laws and rules drawn from them, and its obsession with one-size-fits-all, we shall not be ham-strung as the remaining member states will be, when imagination, innovation, flexibility, bold new unorthodox policies, will be our way out of the economic crisis. My dissent from the Euro-fanatic SNP policies, and others, has seen me invited by some members to resign. I have not done so, in the hope that - to borrow an old song - things can only get better.
Jim Sillars is the former deputy leader of the SNP and an Advisory Board member to the Foundation for Independence.
The wait was well worth it. on 13:06 - Jun 24 by waynekerr55
But we can stop immigrants taking our jobs and benefits at the same time...
Excellent dismantle capitalism
O oh, who is going to pay reparations, BLM are demanding
Suppose we could use the money from police defunding (an old favourite of Sir Keir)
Some women expressed fear of rape, with no police to protect them. Quick as a flash the jolly old Guardian told them not to worry as the police were useless anyway. That’s a relief then.
Still excellent we are developing, that is always good :)
Lisa once asked me who is going to pay for our pensions
I think the more pertinent question was, who would pay for their pensions (Hi Mr Brown )
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The wait was well worth it. on 14:51 - Jun 24 with 1833 views
The wait was well worth it. on 14:35 - Jun 24 by chad
Excellent dismantle capitalism
O oh, who is going to pay reparations, BLM are demanding
Suppose we could use the money from police defunding (an old favourite of Sir Keir)
Some women expressed fear of rape, with no police to protect them. Quick as a flash the jolly old Guardian told them not to worry as the police were useless anyway. That’s a relief then.
Still excellent we are developing, that is always good :)
Lisa once asked me who is going to pay for our pensions
I think the more pertinent question was, who would pay for their pensions (Hi Mr Brown )
Who knew you could get the Daily Express intravenously?
Suggest you reduce the dosage, Sprats.
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The wait was well worth it. on 15:03 - Jun 24 with 1823 views
The wait was well worth it. on 14:35 - Jun 24 by chad
Excellent dismantle capitalism
O oh, who is going to pay reparations, BLM are demanding
Suppose we could use the money from police defunding (an old favourite of Sir Keir)
Some women expressed fear of rape, with no police to protect them. Quick as a flash the jolly old Guardian told them not to worry as the police were useless anyway. That’s a relief then.
Still excellent we are developing, that is always good :)
Lisa once asked me who is going to pay for our pensions
I think the more pertinent question was, who would pay for their pensions (Hi Mr Brown )
Could you summarise the point(s) you tried to make there?
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