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Great Pompey Myths Debunked. No 2 Pompey Are The Club With All The History
Great Pompey Myths Debunked. No 2 Pompey Are The Club With All The History
Monday, 27th Feb 2012 12:44 by Stevedore

Stevedore is back with another look at what is fact and what is fiction with regard to the increasingly desperate claims of the fans of the World's best supporterd Club.

One of the proudest boasts of the Blue Few is that they are the club with all the tradition and all the history, true they have won a couple of league Titles which we havent, but then again so have the likes of Burnley, Preston & Huddersfield and no one calls them sleeping giants, in order to put this all in context i think first we need a history lesson.

The Football League was formed in 1888, three years after Saints were formed and eleven before Portsmouth were formed, back then the FL was very much a northern competition, the most southerly clubs were in Birmingham at this stage Association Football or Soccer as it was widely called back then, was second to Rugby Union in the South.

The response from the major clubs starting to emerge in the South was the Southern League in 1894, although obviosly not as big and strong as its northern counterpart it was the league for the teams south of Birmingham and in effect as the decade wore on its teams became stronger and stronger, the only exceptions to the north south divide were Arsenal and Chelsea who were formed out of nowere to join the Football league with express exploiting the FL opportunities which due to the popularity of the game in the north was the stronger league, up until 1920 when the Football league expanded to take in Southern Clubs , these two and Bristol City were the only teams south of Birmingham in the FL

So the Southern Leaguie was a very strong league given that it contained just about every professional team south of the midlands, Saints won it first in 1896/97 and then for the next two seasons after, meaning that before Portsmouth Football Club had kicked a ball in competitive football, Saints had three Southern League titles to their name plus an FA Cup Semi final appearance to emphasise how strong both Saints and indeed the league was when compared to its northern counterparts,

As they formed the Club the Pompey directors visited the Newly opened Dell, quite literally it was the blueprint of what they wanted to achieve, it was the best stadium south of Birmingham, so it was no surprise that when the first game was played at Fratton Park in September 1899, it was Saints that Pompey invited to come down and open the stadium, but this was not only done for local reasons, no, apart from Aston Villa the team of the moment or Sheffield United the FA Cup holders, there werent that many more attractive opponents in the country than Saints.

In 1899/00 the newly formed Pompey joined the league, ironically replacing Portsmouth Royal Artillery who seeing the formation of a professional club in the town decided to drop out of the Southern League rather than relinquish their amateur status, the newly formed Pompey were seen as a fabricated club, a johnny come lately to the football scene, formed only to make money out of the newly legalised professionalism, splashing out for the ex Spurs manager and gettiing in the best players, taking a financial risk at this point as they had no supporters, that crowds would flock to their new purpose built ground at Fratton they were not a traditional club who had paid their dues and built up their support, in modern terms they would be Milton Keynes Dons or Wigan.

In 1899/00 Spurs won the Southern League, but Saints got to the FA Cup final although they lost 4-0 to Bury, Pompey were learning that it wasnt as easy as buying your way to the top.

But if Pompey had thought they could buy their way to being the top club in Hampshire they were wrong, Saints won the league title again in 00/01, their fourth title success out of the seven years the league had been in operation, in 01/02 Pompey did win it but that was overshadowed by Saints second FA Cup final appearance in which sadly they lost again, this time in a replay to Sheffield United, but 02/03 & 03/04 saw the title back at the Dell, this perhaps saw the end of the first golden age for Saints, but by 1904 Saints had won the title six times out of the first ten seasons of the Southern League compared to Pompey's solitary effort, at this time Saints were considered the top club South of Birmingham, although Arsenal were in the Football League they were still playing in Woolwich and struggling for money and crowds, Spurs would stay in the Southern League but could not match Saints acheivments and although the period between 1904 and the first world war would not be prolific for Saints, especially as the Southern League grew stronger as clubs like West Ham joined, Pompey would do no better.

So those Portsmouth fans that tell you that Pompey are the club with all the history and Saints are jumped up upstarts, clearly dont understand the demographics of the formation and early years of both the Football and Southern Leagues, yes Pompey would enjoy all their success in a thirty five year period between 1925 - 1960 when they would mostly be in a division higher than Saints, they do not have the rich heritage that Saints have from those Victorian days of when the Southern League was the title to win for any club in the South and Saints were the Old Invincibles equivalent of Preston North End in the Northern Counterpart

Pompey have only 114 years of history compared to Saints 127 and in those 114 years in which the two clubs have been rivals, Pompey have only finished above Saints on 43 occasions, yes Pompey do have those modern day League Championships to their name, but when they claim to be this great club with rich history and a sleeping giant etc, they would do well to look at Burnley Preston & Huddersfield , all clubs with a far richer history than Portsmouth and with a similar level of support as Pompey, would any right minded football supporter consider anyone of these clubs to be massive and a sleeping gian just waiting to be awakened ? I think even Pompey fans know the answer to that one, the only difference between those clubs and Pompey, apart from the fact they have all won more, is that their fans dont go around telling anyone and everyone that they are the greatest fans in the world anf hope that if they shout it loud enough to enough people then people will start to believe it.

Fair play to Pompey for winning a couple of titles in the 50's, the nature of football is probably that we will never get a chance to equal that, but Pompey fans should not confuse winning a couple of things sixty years ago with having a rich history, for most of their existence Pompey have been second fiddle to Saints, a club that was at the time Pompey were formed considered one of the top clubs in the country whilst Pompey and its directors were considered as opportunists jumping on the football bandwagon

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grumpy added 21:07 - Feb 27
Good Point,zonehead.
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TijuanaTim added 05:41 - Feb 28
Another top quality contribution and collection of FACTs by the Stevedore!!
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whensolwentup added 17:53 - Feb 28
An interesting, although of course massively biased article.

Interesting comment from Capt_Koons

'Great article dealing purely in facts. Something the blue dew wouldn't recognise if it jumped up and bit them on the ass.'

Well, have a look at our very balanced statistical analysis of the two clubs, one of which has won 2 league titles, and 2 fa cups, one which has won a FA Cup

http://whensolwentup.blogspot.com/2011/12/saints-or-pompey-statistical-look-who.
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PUPSTYLE added 20:14 - Feb 28
good evening all its about time that our two clubs fans stopped name calling and got on with the game in hand the majority of pompey fans didnt want to see your club dissapear due to theiving robbing directors but going out playing football which is the way it should be for any club but i have got to say what a biust piece of reporting by stevedore who should be called shutthatdore we've won the more league titles than you have won more tropheis than you have and held the FA cup longer than any club ok so a little matter of a world war got in everybody's way of taking it off of us but thats the way it fell and we were the first club to fit and play under floodlights and of course you had a pompey boy score your winning goal in an fa cup final have a look at whensolwentup blog very even sided i thought anyway ttfn
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st_bangkok added 05:25 - Feb 29
Why are skates so bitter and always on the defensive to an article that is factual and merely points out some untold side to the story? Jeez. Get some help boys.
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Zambucco added 19:49 - Feb 29
I'm sorry but this article has not painted Saints with a lot of glory. Okay we can point out our fantastic performances in victorian times, and maybe we do need to celebrate them more.
BUT: How can after biiging up our proud victorian heritage the article then says "but Pompey fans should not confuse winning a couple of things sixty years ago with having a rich history"
Maybe we shouldn't confuse have won a few league titles 100 years ago with a rich history?

When I was a nipper if Saints were away my Dad would take me to Fratton just to watch a game of football! I would love this to be the case still.

Articles like this merely ignite more rivalry and hostility. Banter yes but this NO!

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PUPSTYLE added 00:15 - Mar 1
thanks very much zambucco at last sombody else thats in it for being a fan and having a bit of freindly banter not a slanging match or fighting each others fans weve all got a heritage ive got a few freinds that are SAINTS fans and at the moment im on the receiving end of the all of the jokes as all football fans should realise it could be their team in the firing line next with very little or no help from the fa who are holding back parachute money that could see us ok for ok the short term because we owe two teams for two of our players just in case the money went to a new owner and not a football debt but that cant happen with the adminastrators in charge of the purse strings can it ? the FL are supposed to protect clubs and help them not put every obsticle in their way like they did to your team or they could just ask to whom your club wants the money paid to like hrmc to pay a tax bill not to sit on their hands and say well we said you can have this owner or that owner weve carreid out our checks on them and we thought they had oil wells and didnt spot that one didnt even exsist so st bangkok you can see it isnt PFC's fault at all this time round isit hope you lot get to the prem and stay their can anyone tell me if the rumor is true that your current owners will sell if you get to the prem or is that just bull best of luck ttfn
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Dperc added 07:54 - Mar 1
Pupstyle, I don't want you to go out of business, but when we were in the same situation we sold all our best players and high wage earners. Pompey haven't done that despite admin a couple of seasons ago. That is a bigger factor in your current situation than anything the FA have or haven't done, and it's it time the club and it's fans wake up to this. You've lived the dream, now pay the price, drop down a division and rebuild. Good luck with it.
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