| Dunne off? on 23:58 - Jan 25 with 3119 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Dunne off? on 13:45 - Jan 23 by stantheman10 |
If a club comes in with an offer to buy Dunne in this window and the club know that Dunne has no intention of signing for us then we have to sell him if the offer is decent |
That's two big 'ifs'!
The more interesting question to me is whether Jimmy could take the step up - whether with Sheff Utd or, please god/god forbid (delete according to preference), with us.
My heart says yes, but my head is shaking! |  |
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| Dunne off? on 00:14 - Jan 26 with 3109 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 23:44 - Jan 25 by stainrods_elbow |
You're not doubting JD's commitment to QPR, but then in the same sentence you say he'd be quite happy to join Wilder's Yorkshire gristle machine? Talk about having your barm cake and eating it!
Edit - Barm cakes originally from Lancashire. |
There's a difference between actively looking to get away and being open to a better move if one comes along.
In a later post on this thread I mentioned Yoann Barbet and "loyalty".
My point was that loyalty goes both ways.
Yoann Barbet was very popular and wanted to stay. But he was allowed to walk away.
We don't really know anything about what goes on behind the scenes:
- Maybe the club are desperate to keep Jimmy and he's holding out for the best deal
- Maybe they don't really want him and have made a derisory offer they know he won't accept.
- Maybe there's no offer and they're happy to let him go in the same way Barbet was allowed to walk.
- Or maybe another scenario is playing out. Who knows?
Whatever is going on behind the scenes Jimmy Dunne is continuing to do the business on the pitch. Not playing silly buggers, or playing within himself, or doing a Morgan Whittaker and simply not turning up.
So yes, he can be committed to the club whilst still being open to other offers.
Until he signs on the dotted line, or he already has and the club deigns to tell us, then we have no certainty he will be here next season.
But no one is doubting his commitment on the pitch.
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| Dunne off? on 14:43 - Jan 26 with 2496 views | Benny_the_Ball |
Where has this idea that the club allowed Barbet to walk away come from? As far as I can recall Barbet had his heart set on returning to his native France.
The bottom line is no one can force a player to re-sign. I trust that the club has tabled a decent offer to retain Jimmy's services. If he signs I'll be delighted but if he doesn't, that's completely his prerogative. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 14:48 - Jan 26 with 2461 views | connell10 |
I personally think Jim has signed a new deal and will be with us for a few more years. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 15:21 - Jan 26 with 2347 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 14:43 - Jan 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
Where has this idea that the club allowed Barbet to walk away come from? As far as I can recall Barbet had his heart set on returning to his native France.
The bottom line is no one can force a player to re-sign. I trust that the club has tabled a decent offer to retain Jimmy's services. If he signs I'll be delighted but if he doesn't, that's completely his prerogative. |
When Barbet left the BBC reported that he wanted to stay but couldn't agree terms on a new contract:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61716699
The official club line was that he didn't accept the terms he was offered:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/barbet-to-depart-this-summer-070622/
Neither club nor player said anything about a desire to return to France.
There was a mid-season rumour that he wanted to go back to France and it was discussed on here:
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/forum/279275/page:1
But I haven't seen it reported anywhere as fact.
Given that he was Warburton's player and left at the same time as Warbs I'm inclined to believe the club weren't too bothered about keeping him on.
But I might have misremembered and the club just wouldn't pay him what he thought he was worth. Guess we'll never know for sure. [Post edited 26 Jan 17:07]
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| Dunne off? on 15:29 - Jan 26 with 2294 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 15:21 - Jan 26 by KensalT |
When Barbet left the BBC reported that he wanted to stay but couldn't agree terms on a new contract:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61716699
The official club line was that he didn't accept the terms he was offered:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/barbet-to-depart-this-summer-070622/
Neither club nor player said anything about a desire to return to France.
There was a mid-season rumour that he wanted to go back to France and it was discussed on here:
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/forum/279275/page:1
But I haven't seen it reported anywhere as fact.
Given that he was Warburton's player and left at the same time as Warbs I'm inclined to believe the club weren't too bothered about keeping him on.
But I might have misremembered and the club just wouldn't pay him what he thought he was worth. Guess we'll never know for sure. [Post edited 26 Jan 17:07]
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| Dunne off? on 16:20 - Jan 26 with 2097 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 15:21 - Jan 26 by KensalT |
When Barbet left the BBC reported that he wanted to stay but couldn't agree terms on a new contract:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/61716699
The official club line was that he didn't accept the terms he was offered:
https://www.qpr.co.uk/news/club-news/barbet-to-depart-this-summer-070622/
Neither club nor player said anything about a desire to return to France.
There was a mid-season rumour that he wanted to go back to France and it was discussed on here:
https://loftforwords.fansnetwork.co.uk/forum/279275/page:1
But I haven't seen it reported anywhere as fact.
Given that he was Warburton's player and left at the same time as Warbs I'm inclined to believe the club weren't too bothered about keeping him on.
But I might have misremembered and the club just wouldn't pay him what he thought he was worth. Guess we'll never know for sure. [Post edited 26 Jan 17:07]
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Thanks for the links. So, according to your evidence, the club did indeed make Barbet an offer which he rejected. Given this, it's unfair and inaccurate to suggest that QPR simply allowed him to walk away.
You neglected to mention that Barbet left QPR to re-join Bordeaux, a Ligue 2 team where he'd previously risen through the youth ranks. That would support the notion that he was keen to return to his native France. [Post edited 26 Jan 16:26]
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| Dunne off? on 16:42 - Jan 26 with 1990 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 16:20 - Jan 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
Thanks for the links. So, according to your evidence, the club did indeed make Barbet an offer which he rejected. Given this, it's unfair and inaccurate to suggest that QPR simply allowed him to walk away.
You neglected to mention that Barbet left QPR to re-join Bordeaux, a Ligue 2 team where he'd previously risen through the youth ranks. That would support the notion that he was keen to return to his native France. [Post edited 26 Jan 16:26]
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I see now why GaryHaddock said I should save my breath!
My final word on the subject:
1. We don't know what offer the club made or if it was anywhere near Barbet (and his agent's) valuation of his worth.
2. The "return to France" rumour has never been proven to be anything more than a rumour.
3. Barbet himself said after the season ended that he wanted to stay.
So no, I do not see a direct connection between an unsubstantiated rumour in November 2021 and Barbet returning to France in summer 2022. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 17:33 - Jan 26 with 1786 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 16:42 - Jan 26 by KensalT |
I see now why GaryHaddock said I should save my breath!
My final word on the subject:
1. We don't know what offer the club made or if it was anywhere near Barbet (and his agent's) valuation of his worth.
2. The "return to France" rumour has never been proven to be anything more than a rumour.
3. Barbet himself said after the season ended that he wanted to stay.
So no, I do not see a direct connection between an unsubstantiated rumour in November 2021 and Barbet returning to France in summer 2022. |
I couldn't care less what GaryH said. It's irrelevant and gives no weight to your conspiracy theory.
It's funny how some folk have a tendency to lean on the "well we don't know the details" smokescreen whenever their argument gets dismantled by facts. You can't have it both ways, Kensal. On the one hand, you're dismissive of the fact that QPR made Barbet a contract offer simply because you weren't privy to the details but, on the other hand, you're happy to make wild, unsubstantiated claims as to the reasons why Yoann left even though you weren't privy to the details.
As the time-honoured sayings go, actions speak louder than words and the proof is in the pudding. The only facts are these:
(1) QPR offered Barbet a new contract which he rejected.
(2) Despite also receiving other offers to remain in English football Barbet left QPR to join Bordeaux.
Neither of these facts justify your hypothesis that QPR simply allowed Barbet to walk away. They do, however, support the rumours that were circulating earlier in the same season that Barbet wanted to return to his native France. If you can't make the connection between those rumours and the fact that Barbet actually returned to France, then more fool you. [Post edited 26 Jan 17:42]
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| Dunne off? on 17:59 - Jan 26 with 1689 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 17:33 - Jan 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
I couldn't care less what GaryH said. It's irrelevant and gives no weight to your conspiracy theory.
It's funny how some folk have a tendency to lean on the "well we don't know the details" smokescreen whenever their argument gets dismantled by facts. You can't have it both ways, Kensal. On the one hand, you're dismissive of the fact that QPR made Barbet a contract offer simply because you weren't privy to the details but, on the other hand, you're happy to make wild, unsubstantiated claims as to the reasons why Yoann left even though you weren't privy to the details.
As the time-honoured sayings go, actions speak louder than words and the proof is in the pudding. The only facts are these:
(1) QPR offered Barbet a new contract which he rejected.
(2) Despite also receiving other offers to remain in English football Barbet left QPR to join Bordeaux.
Neither of these facts justify your hypothesis that QPR simply allowed Barbet to walk away. They do, however, support the rumours that were circulating earlier in the same season that Barbet wanted to return to his native France. If you can't make the connection between those rumours and the fact that Barbet actually returned to France, then more fool you. [Post edited 26 Jan 17:42]
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Barbet in is on the record in June 2022 saying he wanted to stay - something you keep ignoring.
The same month the club said they had made him an offer which he declined.
If all parties knew as early as November 2021 that Barbet wanted to return to France then the matter could have ended there and the club could have wished him bon voyage when he left and said that was his reason for leaving - they didn't.
You have provided no evidence that Barbet or anyone at the club believed he wanted to return to France.
You also claim (with no evidence) that Barbet had offers from English clubs to stay in this country - which makes no sense.
If Barbet knew in November 2021 that he was going back to France he would have told his agent.
His agent would then have told any English clubs asking about his availability that he was going home and not to waste their time making an offer.
If you can prove all of that is wrong and that Barbet was lying in June 2022 when he said he wanted to stay then go ahead, and I will gladly admit that you were right and I was wrong. [Post edited 26 Jan 18:01]
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| Dunne off? on 18:15 - Jan 26 with 1625 views | slmrstid |
Maybe the case is Barbet wanted to stay here, but when we decided to part terms he didn't really want to play elsewhere in England and then looked to going home.
Who knows! Poor bugger's in Saudi Arabia now since Bordeaux went bust. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:25 - Jan 26 with 1593 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 18:15 - Jan 26 by slmrstid |
Maybe the case is Barbet wanted to stay here, but when we decided to part terms he didn't really want to play elsewhere in England and then looked to going home.
Who knows! Poor bugger's in Saudi Arabia now since Bordeaux went bust. |
"Poor bugger's in Saudi Arabia now"
According to this the average player salary for his club Al Riyadh is €13.2m
https://footystats.org/saudi-arabia/professional-league/salaries
He ain't that poor! | | | |
| Dunne off? on 18:45 - Jan 26 with 1508 views | bosh67 |
| Dunne off? on 18:15 - Jan 26 by slmrstid |
Maybe the case is Barbet wanted to stay here, but when we decided to part terms he didn't really want to play elsewhere in England and then looked to going home.
Who knows! Poor bugger's in Saudi Arabia now since Bordeaux went bust. |
I believe Barbet's wife wanted to go back to France so their kids could be educated and grow up there, which is fair enough. Obvious he's gone to Saudi to probably secure their longterm future. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 19:42 - Jan 26 with 1257 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 17:59 - Jan 26 by KensalT |
Barbet in is on the record in June 2022 saying he wanted to stay - something you keep ignoring.
The same month the club said they had made him an offer which he declined.
If all parties knew as early as November 2021 that Barbet wanted to return to France then the matter could have ended there and the club could have wished him bon voyage when he left and said that was his reason for leaving - they didn't.
You have provided no evidence that Barbet or anyone at the club believed he wanted to return to France.
You also claim (with no evidence) that Barbet had offers from English clubs to stay in this country - which makes no sense.
If Barbet knew in November 2021 that he was going back to France he would have told his agent.
His agent would then have told any English clubs asking about his availability that he was going home and not to waste their time making an offer.
If you can prove all of that is wrong and that Barbet was lying in June 2022 when he said he wanted to stay then go ahead, and I will gladly admit that you were right and I was wrong. [Post edited 26 Jan 18:01]
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As I said earlier, actions speak louder than words.
You stated in your previous post that it would be your "final word on the subject". Lo and behold, you're back for more. So forgive me if I don't place any credence on those words.
Similarly, I take Barbet's words with a pinch of salt because ultimately he rejected QPR's offer and left on a free to join Bordeaux. Whilst at Brentford he made all the same noises before rejecting their contract offer and leaving on a free (ultimately to join their West London rivals of all clubs).
https://www.football.london/brentford-fc/yoann-barbet-update-brentford-future-15
https://www.football.london/brentford-fc/barbet-admission-reason-leaving-brentfo
As for other offers, if you think for a second that an experienced left-footed, ball-playing, centre-back who made 221 appearances in English football over 7 years, someone who at 29 was in the prime of his physical life, a player who played every minute of the 2020-21 Championship season, and to top it all off was available on a free, that he didn't receive any other offers to remain in English football, then you're clearly delusional. Any agent worth his salt would put that offer forward to the player regardless. It's then up to the player whether he is interested in pursuing that option.
Frankly, I don't need you to admit to me that you were wrong, the facts speak for themselves. If you want to keep believing that QPR "simply allowed Yoann Barbet to walk away", you carry on camper. I'm more interested in what's happening with Jimmy Dunne.
Similar to Barbet, I don't believe that QPR will simply allow Jimmy to walk away. I trust that the club is trying everything within its power to convince Dunne to stay but if he chooses to go, that's his decision and his prerogative. If he stays, happy days. [Post edited 26 Jan 19:45]
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| Dunne off? on 19:47 - Jan 26 with 1225 views | NorthantsHoop |
| Dunne off? on 18:45 - Jan 26 by bosh67 |
I believe Barbet's wife wanted to go back to France so their kids could be educated and grow up there, which is fair enough. Obvious he's gone to Saudi to probably secure their longterm future. |
Barbet just got better as his QPR career progressed and Jimmy Dunne's has as well. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 19:53 - Jan 26 with 1169 views | Hoopsie |
All these barbet talk in jimmy gone thread leads me to speculate
- is a Saudi club coming in to hijack our Dunne with a fat pay cheque that will set him up for life?
- his performances and stats will not go unnoticed and surely someone somewhere in the Middle East desert has a keen eye on |  |
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| Dunne off? on 19:55 - Jan 26 with 1144 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 18:45 - Jan 26 by bosh67 |
I believe Barbet's wife wanted to go back to France so their kids could be educated and grow up there, which is fair enough. Obvious he's gone to Saudi to probably secure their longterm future. |
This is the softer side of negotiations that tends to get overlooked. The temptation is to paint some sort of Mexican stand-off between club, player and agent but at the end of the day football players are human beings with families to take into account. At the time of his departure from QPR, Yoann was a married man with a 2 year-old son. Perhaps his wife didn't want to raise a family in London? If so, who could blame her. I believe they have another on the way and, as you say, he's now in Saudi securing their future. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 20:01 - Jan 26 with 1110 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 19:42 - Jan 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
As I said earlier, actions speak louder than words.
You stated in your previous post that it would be your "final word on the subject". Lo and behold, you're back for more. So forgive me if I don't place any credence on those words.
Similarly, I take Barbet's words with a pinch of salt because ultimately he rejected QPR's offer and left on a free to join Bordeaux. Whilst at Brentford he made all the same noises before rejecting their contract offer and leaving on a free (ultimately to join their West London rivals of all clubs).
https://www.football.london/brentford-fc/yoann-barbet-update-brentford-future-15
https://www.football.london/brentford-fc/barbet-admission-reason-leaving-brentfo
As for other offers, if you think for a second that an experienced left-footed, ball-playing, centre-back who made 221 appearances in English football over 7 years, someone who at 29 was in the prime of his physical life, a player who played every minute of the 2020-21 Championship season, and to top it all off was available on a free, that he didn't receive any other offers to remain in English football, then you're clearly delusional. Any agent worth his salt would put that offer forward to the player regardless. It's then up to the player whether he is interested in pursuing that option.
Frankly, I don't need you to admit to me that you were wrong, the facts speak for themselves. If you want to keep believing that QPR "simply allowed Yoann Barbet to walk away", you carry on camper. I'm more interested in what's happening with Jimmy Dunne.
Similar to Barbet, I don't believe that QPR will simply allow Jimmy to walk away. I trust that the club is trying everything within its power to convince Dunne to stay but if he chooses to go, that's his decision and his prerogative. If he stays, happy days. [Post edited 26 Jan 19:45]
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Arguing against an idiot is like playing chess against a pigeon
You strategically think of all the moves and you have the intelligence to win, but they will just shit on all the pieces and then strut around as if they'd won | | | |
| Dunne off? on 20:23 - Jan 26 with 1015 views | Hoopsie |
Case in point - Barbet
- QPR offered him a deal which he rejected
- Returned to France to save his boyhood club which just got relegated
- alleged family wanted to return to France to bring up young child
- boyhood club then went bust, job gone
- now in Saudi league playing in the sun, sand and money pot
Which makes me wonder was France his actual preferred destination?
- No other French clubs came in for him?
- Their offers couldn’t be worse that a relegated financial malaise club?
- Other possible deals in England not good enough than the QPR offer?
- Claim to want to raise family in France an excuse to save face?
- Returned to Bordeaux as a pretence to be loyal to save boyhood club - no good offers came?
- Now playing in Saudi league - show me the money?
- his child I believe is still very young so happy to go Saudi for his upbringing?
All these speculations are just speculation but what I learned is money talk and anything else were just smokescreens, excuses and face saving exercises we don’t need to get too carried away arguing for. | |
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| Dunne off? on 20:43 - Jan 26 with 928 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 20:01 - Jan 26 by KensalT |
Arguing against an idiot is like playing chess against a pigeon
You strategically think of all the moves and you have the intelligence to win, but they will just shit on all the pieces and then strut around as if they'd won |
Ah, there it is! Resorting to inane insults. A great show of strategy and intelligence, I must say. You should've done everyone a favour and listened to yourself when earlier you said it was your "final word on the subject". But hey, whatever makes you feel good. Knock yourself out, camper! [Post edited 26 Jan 20:43]
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| Dunne off? on 20:52 - Jan 26 with 871 views | KensalT |
| Dunne off? on 20:43 - Jan 26 by Benny_the_Ball |
Ah, there it is! Resorting to inane insults. A great show of strategy and intelligence, I must say. You should've done everyone a favour and listened to yourself when earlier you said it was your "final word on the subject". But hey, whatever makes you feel good. Knock yourself out, camper! [Post edited 26 Jan 20:43]
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You insist that Barbet wanted to go home to France in November 2021.
But you can't find one piece of evidence to support this.
You insist Barbet had offers from English clubs in 2022.
Again you cannot produce one piece of evidence.
If you want to wallow in ignorance then I guess that's your right.
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| Dunne off? on 20:53 - Jan 26 with 868 views | HammersmithR |
Barbet was actually my neighbour before he left and I got to know him a fair bit. It was my understanding from him that the club simply never offered him a deal until very late on. By that stage he had a young son (same age as mine) and he had to start planning for the future. It got to about Easter time and he was like I can’t keep waiting so he then made the decision to move back to France. He absolutely loved his time with us and desperately wanted to say. He was a really nice guy and was always happy chatting to me about QPR…quite often when we were in the playground with our kids! | | | |
| Dunne off? on 21:06 - Jan 26 with 786 views | GaryHaddock |
| Dunne off? on 20:53 - Jan 26 by HammersmithR |
Barbet was actually my neighbour before he left and I got to know him a fair bit. It was my understanding from him that the club simply never offered him a deal until very late on. By that stage he had a young son (same age as mine) and he had to start planning for the future. It got to about Easter time and he was like I can’t keep waiting so he then made the decision to move back to France. He absolutely loved his time with us and desperately wanted to say. He was a really nice guy and was always happy chatting to me about QPR…quite often when we were in the playground with our kids! |
That’s a shame if true.
Started off a bit of a liability, then became a 50 game a season rock didn’t he?
Highlights the precarios nature of their lives, Dunne included. | | | |
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