| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley 08:30 - Apr 17 with 7698 views | PatfromPoole |
Quite the slap in the face for Lumley for McCarthy to not be on the bench, but then put straight in the line-up.
However If it means less faffing about with the ball in our penalty area, I'm all up for that. |  |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 08:51 - Apr 17 with 5966 views | sledger |
all very strange |  | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 08:55 - Apr 17 with 5958 views | Ascot_Saint |
My seats are directly behind the home dug out and it was noticeable to me that Lumley wasn’t his usual happy self sat on the bench. He definitely looked proper p!ssed off. Which is understandable given he’s been the number 2 all season. And still is after Baz’s injury! | | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:12 - Apr 17 with 5931 views | ericofarabia |
The players so obviously had little faith in Macca's ability as an outlet for RussBall style, that it improved our game.
We got the ball forward quicker and kept the pressure on much further upfield. At times Preston simply couldn't get out of their half and we weren't easing off the pressure by turning attacks into a 10 pass move back to our keeper 🙄 |  | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:34 - Apr 17 with 5883 views | MytchettSaint |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:12 - Apr 17 by ericofarabia |
The players so obviously had little faith in Macca's ability as an outlet for RussBall style, that it improved our game.
We got the ball forward quicker and kept the pressure on much further upfield. At times Preston simply couldn't get out of their half and we weren't easing off the pressure by turning attacks into a 10 pass move back to our keeper 🙄 |
It certainly seemed we were playing around with it at the back a lot less. Perhaps proof indeed that changing it up a bit might catch other teams out with different styles and patterns of play. |  |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:38 - Apr 17 with 5875 views | Number_58 |
To be fair, McCarthy only played last night because they couldn't source a goalie's shirt with 'STEPHENS' on the back at such short notice.
That one was for Nick. |  | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:05 - Apr 17 with 5830 views | saintmark1976 |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:38 - Apr 17 by Number_58 |
To be fair, McCarthy only played last night because they couldn't source a goalie's shirt with 'STEPHENS' on the back at such short notice.
That one was for Nick. |
This would this be the same Nick who thought that Yoshida wasn’t good enough for us even though he played for Japan in the World Cup? Asking for a friend. | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:21 - Apr 17 with 5797 views | SaintNick |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:38 - Apr 17 by Number_58 |
To be fair, McCarthy only played last night because they couldn't source a goalie's shirt with 'STEPHENS' on the back at such short notice.
That one was for Nick. |
Much appreciated I did think the same when I saw the change |  |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:41 - Apr 17 with 5759 views | SaintNick |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:05 - Apr 17 by saintmark1976 |
This would this be the same Nick who thought that Yoshida wasn’t good enough for us even though he played for Japan in the World Cup? Asking for a friend. |
I was not a big fan of Yoshida that is no secret and I would point out that if you look at the central defenders we have had in the years before Yoshida and the years after,
Fonte
Hooiveld
Lovren
Alderweireld
Van Dijk
Bednarek
Hoedt
Stephens
Vestergaard
Salisu
Bella-Kotchap
Harwood-Bellis
Where would Yoshida in the list of the best centre halves, he played 135 games plus 19 as sub in 8 seasons, so was very rarely the actual first choice central defender .
I would say out of the above you would probably put Hoedt behind him and possibly Stephens, other than that none of the others.
Other than that he would not get in the side, even Vestergaard kept him out and for a while was ok
The fact that he played for Japan in the World Cup means nothing, its like saying that Onauchu wasn't good enough for us even though he played for Nigeria in the African cup of Nations, or that Caleta Car is better than most of them because he played for Croatia in the World cup.
Like most people I have my favourites and those that I am not keen on, but I can usually back it up with some stats and data etc. | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 12:17 - Apr 17 with 5640 views | kingslandstand1 |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:34 - Apr 17 by MytchettSaint |
It certainly seemed we were playing around with it at the back a lot less. Perhaps proof indeed that changing it up a bit might catch other teams out with different styles and patterns of play. |
Can you tell RM that! |  | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 13:33 - Apr 17 with 5552 views | saintsfanbrock |
Players have appearance fees in their contracts and fees for being on the team sheet. Ridiculous thing with McCarthy’s good contract even though we are paying him a lot to do nothing someone has probably done the maths of paying him to warm the sub seats costs more than Lumley doing the same. Given later posters comments about Lumley not being impressed perhaps nobody had told him that is why he’s getting the subspot and thought he was there on merit of being the second best keeper until last night! | | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 13:49 - Apr 17 with 5531 views | saintmark1976 |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:41 - Apr 17 by SaintNick |
I was not a big fan of Yoshida that is no secret and I would point out that if you look at the central defenders we have had in the years before Yoshida and the years after,
Fonte
Hooiveld
Lovren
Alderweireld
Van Dijk
Bednarek
Hoedt
Stephens
Vestergaard
Salisu
Bella-Kotchap
Harwood-Bellis
Where would Yoshida in the list of the best centre halves, he played 135 games plus 19 as sub in 8 seasons, so was very rarely the actual first choice central defender .
I would say out of the above you would probably put Hoedt behind him and possibly Stephens, other than that none of the others.
Other than that he would not get in the side, even Vestergaard kept him out and for a while was ok
The fact that he played for Japan in the World Cup means nothing, its like saying that Onauchu wasn't good enough for us even though he played for Nigeria in the African cup of Nations, or that Caleta Car is better than most of them because he played for Croatia in the World cup.
Like most people I have my favourites and those that I am not keen on, but I can usually back it up with some stats and data etc. |
“ The fact that he played for Japan in the World Cup means nothing”. That would be in the Japanese team that won their Group in 2022 by beating not only Germany but also Spain would it Nick ? | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 13:56 - Apr 17 with 5525 views | TimSaint |
Goalkeeper's Union. They don't mind - they all want everyone to play / do well (allegedly).
I'm sure the £20k a week we pay Lumley will help him get over it |  |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 15:41 - Apr 17 with 5461 views | sledger |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 13:56 - Apr 17 by TimSaint |
Goalkeeper's Union. They don't mind - they all want everyone to play / do well (allegedly).
I'm sure the £20k a week we pay Lumley will help him get over it |
why hasnt mcarthy been on the bench all season if he is second best,hope he doesnt get injured because then we are down to a seriously shat on number 3 | | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 15:45 - Apr 17 with 5454 views | PatfromPoole |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 13:56 - Apr 17 by TimSaint |
Goalkeeper's Union. They don't mind - they all want everyone to play / do well (allegedly).
I'm sure the £20k a week we pay Lumley will help him get over it |
£9k a week according to Capology 😉
Again, I think I would cope with that TBF…. | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 18:20 - Apr 17 with 5393 views | 1teeminants |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:41 - Apr 17 by SaintNick |
I was not a big fan of Yoshida that is no secret and I would point out that if you look at the central defenders we have had in the years before Yoshida and the years after,
Fonte
Hooiveld
Lovren
Alderweireld
Van Dijk
Bednarek
Hoedt
Stephens
Vestergaard
Salisu
Bella-Kotchap
Harwood-Bellis
Where would Yoshida in the list of the best centre halves, he played 135 games plus 19 as sub in 8 seasons, so was very rarely the actual first choice central defender .
I would say out of the above you would probably put Hoedt behind him and possibly Stephens, other than that none of the others.
Other than that he would not get in the side, even Vestergaard kept him out and for a while was ok
The fact that he played for Japan in the World Cup means nothing, its like saying that Onauchu wasn't good enough for us even though he played for Nigeria in the African cup of Nations, or that Caleta Car is better than most of them because he played for Croatia in the World cup.
Like most people I have my favourites and those that I am not keen on, but I can usually back it up with some stats and data etc. |
Yoshida was not only in that World Cup he was voted in the team of the tournament by fans. I remember saying this to you in a pub in soton once and you just laughed. I think you thought I was making it up lol 😂 He did play very well in that tournament Nick. |  |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 19:26 - Apr 17 with 5340 views | SFC_Referee |
Yeah I don’t think many get how it all works, but once the team sheet is submitted, if any players get injured/unavailable to play, then that player can be replaced by another, but that player can’t be on the bench if the injured player was initially starting, or vice versa if the player was intentionally on the bench, then that player can’t start.
So that’s why McCarthy had to start and not Lumley as Lumley was on the bench so couldn’t replace Bazunu as he was already playing a part in the game, whilst McCarthy was not [Post edited 17 Apr 19:27]
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:09 - Apr 17 with 5261 views | NYC_Saint |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 19:26 - Apr 17 by SFC_Referee |
Yeah I don’t think many get how it all works, but once the team sheet is submitted, if any players get injured/unavailable to play, then that player can be replaced by another, but that player can’t be on the bench if the injured player was initially starting, or vice versa if the player was intentionally on the bench, then that player can’t start.
So that’s why McCarthy had to start and not Lumley as Lumley was on the bench so couldn’t replace Bazunu as he was already playing a part in the game, whilst McCarthy was not [Post edited 17 Apr 19:27]
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That doesn't make any sense. Effectively it says if a starting player falls ill/is injured after the team sheets are submitted, then only a player not deemed good enough by the manager to even make the bench HAS to start the game. That seems very counter intuitive unless it's to put off naming injured players in the starting 11 only to pull them at the last minute to disguise your starting team | | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:21 - Apr 17 with 5249 views | PatfromPoole |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:09 - Apr 17 by NYC_Saint |
That doesn't make any sense. Effectively it says if a starting player falls ill/is injured after the team sheets are submitted, then only a player not deemed good enough by the manager to even make the bench HAS to start the game. That seems very counter intuitive unless it's to put off naming injured players in the starting 11 only to pull them at the last minute to disguise your starting team |
Agreed.
Seems very odd to me. | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:35 - Apr 17 with 5232 views | SFC_Referee |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:09 - Apr 17 by NYC_Saint |
That doesn't make any sense. Effectively it says if a starting player falls ill/is injured after the team sheets are submitted, then only a player not deemed good enough by the manager to even make the bench HAS to start the game. That seems very counter intuitive unless it's to put off naming injured players in the starting 11 only to pull them at the last minute to disguise your starting team |
Yes but that’s why under the LOTG and EFL rules, it’s then reported to the leagues, who investigate it, so that when it’s not genuine/happens too often, then punishments can be given.
But the reason why there can’t be changes is because they’re already making 1 change to the initial team sheet (which is 1 more than what you can usually make anyway) by bringing in a new player for an injured one, but then to also swap two players after bringing in a new one, is an extra change, which seeing how Lumley wasn’t injured or such, therefore didn’t have any reason/need (under the LOTG that is) to start this game.
As yeah it may seem strange, but then you could say that it’s just as strange as picking McCarthy to start (who as you guys have stated wasn’t even on the bench at first) over Lumley who’s been our recognised number 2 all season. | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 23:26 - Apr 17 with 5173 views | sledger |
so by rule of thumb lumley will start against cardiff | | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 05:37 - Apr 18 with 5106 views | Butty101 |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:35 - Apr 17 by SFC_Referee |
Yes but that’s why under the LOTG and EFL rules, it’s then reported to the leagues, who investigate it, so that when it’s not genuine/happens too often, then punishments can be given.
But the reason why there can’t be changes is because they’re already making 1 change to the initial team sheet (which is 1 more than what you can usually make anyway) by bringing in a new player for an injured one, but then to also swap two players after bringing in a new one, is an extra change, which seeing how Lumley wasn’t injured or such, therefore didn’t have any reason/need (under the LOTG that is) to start this game.
As yeah it may seem strange, but then you could say that it’s just as strange as picking McCarthy to start (who as you guys have stated wasn’t even on the bench at first) over Lumley who’s been our recognised number 2 all season. |
What you are saying is wrong. Either keeper could have played. Rule 8.11.2 explains this
https://www.thefa.com/~/media/Files/TheFAPortal/governance-docs/rules-of-the-ass |  |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 06:32 - Apr 18 with 5082 views | PatfromPoole |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 21:35 - Apr 17 by SFC_Referee |
Yes but that’s why under the LOTG and EFL rules, it’s then reported to the leagues, who investigate it, so that when it’s not genuine/happens too often, then punishments can be given.
But the reason why there can’t be changes is because they’re already making 1 change to the initial team sheet (which is 1 more than what you can usually make anyway) by bringing in a new player for an injured one, but then to also swap two players after bringing in a new one, is an extra change, which seeing how Lumley wasn’t injured or such, therefore didn’t have any reason/need (under the LOTG that is) to start this game.
As yeah it may seem strange, but then you could say that it’s just as strange as picking McCarthy to start (who as you guys have stated wasn’t even on the bench at first) over Lumley who’s been our recognised number 2 all season. |
If this were the case, why has Brighton Buddha not referred to it in his post-match interviews, rather than giving awkward fumbled responses about wanting to see how McCarthy would do if he gave him a chance? | |
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 08:31 - Apr 18 with 5019 views | Manhattan_Lynx |
It is almost as though all referees are clueless. |  | | |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 09:42 - Apr 18 with 4984 views | SFC_Referee |
Yes that’s what I also read on the EFL website, but it still doesn’t specify whether a sub can come on and the someone else can replace that sub instead.
But anyway I’ve checked with an EFL official I know and tbf I was wrong on this one, as I was getting muddled up with what happens when a player gets sent off after the team sheets submitted but before KO. But yeah well I really do wonder now as to why Lumley didn’t start [Post edited 18 Apr 10:09]
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| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 10:14 - Apr 18 with 4963 views | SFC_Referee |
| Penny for the thoughts of Joe Lumley on 06:32 - Apr 18 by PatfromPoole |
If this were the case, why has Brighton Buddha not referred to it in his post-match interviews, rather than giving awkward fumbled responses about wanting to see how McCarthy would do if he gave him a chance? |
Well tbf it ain’t that rare that the pundits and journalists doing these interviews (and yeah even the refs sometimes) get there LOTG, as I’ve seen it many times before where they’ve inquired about things that were blatant under the LOTG, but their inquiries when interviewing them shows that they clearly don’t know them.
As arguably that West Brom away game was one as we had a fair few pundits criticising the ref for when he sent off the coach as I remember even RM got asked a bit about it in his interview afterwards as the one interviewing him clearly didn’t understand it that well | |
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