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Well Done Australia on 14:17 - Jan 8 by The_Beast1976
"But they are more likely to acquire and transmit, surely, by your own definition?". Not after 8 weeks, so I read Brian.
As I've said, I've been vaccinated so why would I worry about the unvaccinated? They cause no threat to me or anyone else. It's their choice. Leave them to it, but don't exclude them from anything because it makes no sense whatsoever to do so (and merely creates yet more division and hatred, which we certainly don't need).
I think the common ground we can find is that it appears fairly certain that vaccination does, thankfully, stop serious illness
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Where did you read about the 8 weeks, I can't find anything that confirms that the vaccine only last 8 weeks.
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Well Done Australia on 22:58 - Jan 8 with 2987 views
I like that - 'easy to handle, quick to the helm, soft, bright.' You can't beat any of that.
In a similar vein I was watching Caddyshack a couple of days ago and decided that the best line in the whole thing is 'Get your foot off the boat Spaulding!' Not the same poetry but there's just something about it.
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Well Done Australia on 00:11 - Jan 9 with 2823 views
Well Done Australia on 21:26 - Jan 8 by BrianMcCarthy
Well, I hope you're right TK.
I really don't know. I'm very happy with the Irish Health Service's advice and performance, but you may of course also be correct that there is an alternative.
Pint and a half of Guinness and boiled bacon and cabbage - twice a day is what I'm hearing Brian!
Brian, i would rather the advice be, to take Vitamin D supplement (with K2), Vit C, Zinc, etc that will help 'booster' your immune system, which it does, especially in the winter months, rather than take a jab every 8 weeks, wouldn't you? Where are the medical and health experts that we see on TV advising us of this? Lets booster our immunity in a healthier way, surely thats best?
Having a jab every 8 weeks is insane. At what cost to the country and potentially at what cost to your future well being.
Providing you eat a reasonably nutritious diet, there's little to no evidence that vitamin supplements do anything for the immune system - and there's been a lot of peer reviewed research over many years.
On the other hand, vitamin supplements make a lot of money for the companies that sell them.
Well Done Australia on 00:57 - Jan 9 by kensalriser
Providing you eat a reasonably nutritious diet, there's little to no evidence that vitamin supplements do anything for the immune system - and there's been a lot of peer reviewed research over many years.
On the other hand, vitamin supplements make a lot of money for the companies that sell them.
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Where’s the least vitamin D, by sunlight, in the uk and where’s the least Covid deaths during winter months? Aye
Don’t doubt a balanced diet is absolutely the best thing to prevent many manner of illness of course
Edit. Small population density North of Scotland also has high vaccine %
Even if you are double / triple vaccinated you could still be infected, be asymptomatic or be sick (but mostly not seriously) and still you could pass it around to people around or close to you
Unfortunately notwithstanding the omicron variant we know that vaccination is not tantamount to being immune to the disease 100%, much that we like to think it is or to be, but it isn’t and not to be
So testing and isolating if you are tested positive is just being socially responsible especially to the people around you and your close contacts which always invariably means family friends mates etc
Vaccinated people with medical history could still contact the disease and could became very ill and strong young people with no history succumbed to the disease despite being fully vaccinated. That is why we still need Covid measures like sanitation, wearing masks, social distancing….
It is easy to say why should I care about the unvaccinated but surely you mean the anti-vax extremist as surely you would like to protect the innocent unvaccinated - babies, infants, toddlers - our young generation who can’t be vaccinated yet or people with serious medical issues that can’t be vaccinated but not by choice. There are cases where this group succumbed to the disease too, so it is very serious.
So if you do get symptoms go get tested and isolate if required. Care about others as much as yourself (or a little less is ok I guess)
Do the right thing?
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".....protect the innocent unvaccinated - babies, infants, toddlers - our young generation who can’t be vaccinated yet.....". Seriously? This thing has little, if any, effect upon them.
Also, would you advocate doing all of this for flu? If not, then why would you do it for this?
Being reported this morning that evidence emerging that covid is now less deadly than flu. Some scientists saying that, consequently, we should now start to move away from mass vaccination of the population and only vaccinate the vulnerable. No more mass testing or isolation either. In other words, we should now start treating covid in the same way as we treat flu. Fingers crossed this is correct! It won't suit those who want the needless mass hysteria to continue, mind.....
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Well Done Australia on 05:59 - Jan 9 with 2632 views
"The new data confirms that two doses of the AstraZeneca, Pfizer or Moderna vaccines offers little protection against being infected with Omicron." On that basis, why all the fuss about the 'unvaccinated'? They're no more or less likely to cause you harm than the 'vaccinated'. It makes no sense whatsoever, much like restrictions and covid passports based on 'vaccination' status.....
I also read in various places, including the BBC website, in December that effectiveness of the booster at preventing acquisition and transmission falls by about 80% after 8 weeks. I'm not making it up, because that would just be silly. I'll try finding it again a bit later.
In any event, the news coming out from various sources this morning seems to be encouraging and makes all this a moot point because we could be seeing the end of mass vaccination, testing and isolation within the next few months. It's needless even now IMO, never mind in a few months
EDIT - Found one of the articles "The study also shows the jab's ability to stop people catching Omicron starts to wane 10 weeks after a booster dose....by between 15% and 25% after 10 weeks". It's 10 weeks, and up to 25% - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969
My mistake on 8 weeks and 80%, but presumably it continues to drop off after 10 weeks. In any event event, this will become an irrelevance if the news this morning has any truth in it....
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Well Done Australia (n/t) on 06:09 - Jan 9 with 2637 views
"The new data confirms that two doses of the AstraZeneca, Pfizer or Moderna vaccines offers little protection against being infected with Omicron." On that basis, why all the fuss about the 'unvaccinated'? They're no more or less likely to cause you harm than the 'vaccinated'. It makes no sense whatsoever, much like restrictions and covid passports based on 'vaccination' status.....
I also read in various places, including the BBC website, in December that effectiveness of the booster at preventing acquisition and transmission falls by about 80% after 8 weeks. I'm not making it up, because that would just be silly. I'll try finding it again a bit later.
In any event, the news coming out from various sources this morning seems to be encouraging and makes all this a moot point because we could be seeing the end of mass vaccination, testing and isolation within the next few months. It's needless even now IMO, never mind in a few months
EDIT - Found one of the articles "The study also shows the jab's ability to stop people catching Omicron starts to wane 10 weeks after a booster dose....by between 15% and 25% after 10 weeks". It's 10 weeks, and up to 25% - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59769969
My mistake on 8 weeks and 80%, but presumably it continues to drop off after 10 weeks. In any event event, this will become an irrelevance if the news this morning has any truth in it....
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Well Done Australia on 08:50 - Jan 9 with 2544 views
I am pleased that Novak Djokovic won his court case. Not because I like Novak but because he followed the process and was treated differently than others. In the past two years in Australia government both federally and mainly state have taken over our lives making up ridiculous rules to follow and then changing the goal posts continually. I take this as a small win against the Australian Government - both federal and state. Neither of them display any common sense and have imposed rules on us that they won't provide any evidence to support. Apparently now it's ok just to have panadol and stay home if you get COVID but at the same time if you want to keep your job you have to be jabbed three times otherwise you are sacked.
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Well Done Australia on 07:28 - Jan 10 with 2304 views
I am pleased that Novak Djokovic won his court case. Not because I like Novak but because he followed the process and was treated differently than others. In the past two years in Australia government both federally and mainly state have taken over our lives making up ridiculous rules to follow and then changing the goal posts continually. I take this as a small win against the Australian Government - both federal and state. Neither of them display any common sense and have imposed rules on us that they won't provide any evidence to support. Apparently now it's ok just to have panadol and stay home if you get COVID but at the same time if you want to keep your job you have to be jabbed three times otherwise you are sacked.
Pleased that Novak appears to have won his case. A victory for freedom of choice. We should all have that.
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Well Done Australia on 08:12 - Jan 10 with 2249 views
Well Done Australia on 05:34 - Jan 9 by The_Beast1976
".....protect the innocent unvaccinated - babies, infants, toddlers - our young generation who can’t be vaccinated yet.....". Seriously? This thing has little, if any, effect upon them.
Also, would you advocate doing all of this for flu? If not, then why would you do it for this?
Being reported this morning that evidence emerging that covid is now less deadly than flu. Some scientists saying that, consequently, we should now start to move away from mass vaccination of the population and only vaccinate the vulnerable. No more mass testing or isolation either. In other words, we should now start treating covid in the same way as we treat flu. Fingers crossed this is correct! It won't suit those who want the needless mass hysteria to continue, mind.....
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Yes seriously!
Why not flu?
Because Covid undermine every developed country health care system, when was the last tIme we started counting (the lack of) hospital beds. ICUs or ventilators - in countries like Britain, Germany, USA mind
Have we heard of double vaccination for common flu let alone boosters or fourth jab?
Have we heard that flu paralysed global air travel? Wasn’t in the US they had major cancellation of flights just only recently?
When was the last time a top tennis player has to go to court to challenge the host government for his right to play in a major grand slam tournament?
When was the last time police went onto the pitch to arrest football players in the pre-world cup qualifying game for breach of travelling bans?
When was the last time football grounds all over Europe had zero attendances and games played behind close doors
Not the common flu
But Covid and it’s variants managed to put the whole world into panic and frenzy, that’s why It’s a pandemic.
Novak now rearrested by federal police and about to be deported. This is nothing to do with health - just politicians not wanting to lose face. It’s a disgrace.
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Well Done Australia on 08:43 - Jan 10 with 2182 views
Wow so the Australian Government now thinks it's above it's own laws nice to see it's not just Boris and Co who think that the rules don't apply to them
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Well Done Australia on 08:45 - Jan 10 with 2179 views
Genuine question - what rules(s)/laws etc did the Court know that the politicians seemingly didn’t and how can the head of immigration invoke powers that seem to overrule the Courts?
Novak now rearrested by federal police and about to be deported. This is nothing to do with health - just politicians not wanting to lose face. It’s a disgrace.
Watching ABC News and no mention of his rearrest also just checked both Channels 7 & 9 and the same on their news channels. This has now lifted the lid off a major can of worms when a court can overturn a law that was in place to protect people, bollox to it they may as well scrap the border restrictions altogether.
Watching ABC News and no mention of his rearrest also just checked both Channels 7 & 9 and the same on their news channels. This has now lifted the lid off a major can of worms when a court can overturn a law that was in place to protect people, bollox to it they may as well scrap the border restrictions altogether.
PerthR’s sorry getting mixed messages as to whether he has been rearrested. Federal Government have 4 hours to do so. Anyway all this is showing is this country is run by a bunch of idiots and they don’t know what they are doing. I’d love to come over to Perth to see my brother but it’s impossible at the moment.
PerthR’s sorry getting mixed messages as to whether he has been rearrested. Federal Government have 4 hours to do so. Anyway all this is showing is this country is run by a bunch of idiots and they don’t know what they are doing. I’d love to come over to Perth to see my brother but it’s impossible at the moment.
bbc radio 4 reported unconfirmed rumours that he had been arrested, tbf.
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Well Done Australia on 11:06 - Jan 10 with 1862 views
Seems as though the judge ruled in Djok's favour because the border force acted unreasonably in giving him a certain amount of time to provide evidence and then reneging. Lucky boy.
Well Done Australia on 13:05 - Jan 10 by kensalriser
Seems as though the judge ruled in Djok's favour because the border force acted unreasonably in giving him a certain amount of time to provide evidence and then reneging. Lucky boy.
Stayed up to watch the debacle unfold and wasn't disappointed.
Remember all those adverts about "come to Australia" ,lovely images of Bondi,koalas,Wolverine and Kylie "come and say g'day"....Now it's all Stasi-esque stormtroopers looking like something out of Blake's 7 pepper spraying Serbian sports supporters.
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