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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:57 - Jun 11 by Private_Partz
A top post mate. I should shut up and leave it to you. :-) Hope my Edit got there in time. Hump is still a top poster btw ;-)
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Thanks. I just think we're desperately nearing a point where people need to start putting pride to one side and start admitting that they were lied to and that Brexit is not the great idea it was made out to be.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 14:22 - Jun 11 with 977 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 12:51 - Jun 11 by sherpajacob
But all economic studies show that of those coming in, the students and those from the EU are good for our small Island.
My own study shows that I can't get an appointment with my GP anymore, British children told to apply for schools out of their local area to make way for multi-nationals, British workers having to zero hours or 8 hour flexi because there is not enough hours, multi-nationals moving ahead of British citizens for council houses, wages susurpressed.and waiting lists for operations longer etc.
Even when you know, you never know?
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 14:46 - Jun 11 with 965 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 14:16 - Jun 11 by deanscfc
Thanks. I just think we're desperately nearing a point where people need to start putting pride to one side and start admitting that they were lied to and that Brexit is not the great idea it was made out to be.
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Er, no. But thanks anyway.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:03 - Jun 11 with 949 views
You can spout good and bad facts for both sides. All I have to say to 'remainers' is you bunch of whining maggots. Just accept you lost and let's get on with the process because politician's are doing their best to stall it.
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Even when you know, you never know?
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:21 - Jun 11 with 924 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:14 - Jun 11 by jojaca
You can spout good and bad facts for both sides. All I have to say to 'remainers' is you bunch of whining maggots. Just accept you lost and let's get on with the process because politician's are doing their best to stall it.
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"Maggots"...tough words.
Do you honestly understand the complexity of the situation? Because I struggle to see how people can simplify something so complicated and damaging to 'you lost get over it'. If it were so simple and great for the country then it would have been done and nobody would have objection. 1 year on and we know that it is slowing our economy and raising prices and cost of living.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:22 - Jun 11 with 920 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 14:22 - Jun 11 by jojaca
My own study shows that I can't get an appointment with my GP anymore, British children told to apply for schools out of their local area to make way for multi-nationals, British workers having to zero hours or 8 hour flexi because there is not enough hours, multi-nationals moving ahead of British citizens for council houses, wages susurpressed.and waiting lists for operations longer etc.
"The immigrants" basically yeah?
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:24 - Jun 11 with 919 views
Now that Labour have said they'll take us out of the single market, and that's basically what the Tories were saying as well, that amounts to 82% of the vote that supported leaving the single market. Can someone explain to me how that translates to "Hard Brexit is dead" and other such headlines? I guess we need to define what the terms Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit mean - although I wouldn't be surprised they mean different things to different people.
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 13:04 - Jun 11 by Dr_Winston
The European question has been hanging over both parties for decades. It is not and never was purely a Tory thing, even though Cameron obviously only held the referendum to lance that boil and didn't think for a second that he'd lose it.
As for whether an In/Out vote was the best way to handle it, I believe that ultimately the question had to be put directly to the people, and they were right to do so, even if they were doing it for the wrong reasons.
This is supposed to be a democracy. If the people aren't to be trusted with important decisions then do away with elections and just let the bureaucrats run things, which is basically how the EU works anyway.
Good answer. I don't think the EU was a great issue with Joe Public though. Some thought it was gravy train and the MEPs were doing eff all. The single market, and our involvement in this biggest market in the world, was always the most important bit. The people are trusted in General Elections and that is fine by me. What a referendum did was take us down a path that no Party wanted. Dodgy Dave only held it to save his skin. I don't think we should have a referendum ever again. Particularly on issues that affect us for decades to come. Such decisions should be made by the PM and the Government in powe. In his case it should have been Farage and UKIP.
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You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:36 - Jun 11 with 903 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:24 - Jun 11 by ploppy
Now that Labour have said they'll take us out of the single market, and that's basically what the Tories were saying as well, that amounts to 82% of the vote that supported leaving the single market. Can someone explain to me how that translates to "Hard Brexit is dead" and other such headlines? I guess we need to define what the terms Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit mean - although I wouldn't be surprised they mean different things to different people.
I heard it was 320% of voters that supported Brexit parties now?
No matter what numbers Farage and co choose to quote or what spin `brexiters' want to put on this, it doesn't change the fact that it is a f*cking stupid idea. And because it is such a stupid idea the UK will fail very badly in these negotiations if it tries to go with a 'hard Brexit' stance.
The end result by the way, in case people haven't worked this out yet, is going to be a soft Brexit which is neither in nor out of the EU and the wasted billions which we took to get there.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:39 - Jun 11 with 893 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:36 - Jun 11 by deanscfc
I heard it was 320% of voters that supported Brexit parties now?
No matter what numbers Farage and co choose to quote or what spin `brexiters' want to put on this, it doesn't change the fact that it is a f*cking stupid idea. And because it is such a stupid idea the UK will fail very badly in these negotiations if it tries to go with a 'hard Brexit' stance.
The end result by the way, in case people haven't worked this out yet, is going to be a soft Brexit which is neither in nor out of the EU and the wasted billions which we took to get there.
So what do the terms Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit mean to you? Genuine question.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:41 - Jun 11 with 890 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:36 - Jun 11 by deanscfc
I heard it was 320% of voters that supported Brexit parties now?
No matter what numbers Farage and co choose to quote or what spin `brexiters' want to put on this, it doesn't change the fact that it is a f*cking stupid idea. And because it is such a stupid idea the UK will fail very badly in these negotiations if it tries to go with a 'hard Brexit' stance.
The end result by the way, in case people haven't worked this out yet, is going to be a soft Brexit which is neither in nor out of the EU and the wasted billions which we took to get there.
I thought you voted leave Dean, what changed your mind?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:39 - Jun 11 by ploppy
So what do the terms Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit mean to you? Genuine question.
A 'soft Brexit' will be an EEA model like Norway. A 'hard Brexit' would involve severing all ties. Our Brexit government (whoever that may now be) are on cloud cuckoo land if they think 27 countries in the EU are unanimously going to say to us 'yeah no worries you don't have to sign up to any of our rules or anything but you can have all the benefits like our members do'. This, by the way is what Brexit campaigners such as Boris Johnson told the public could happen. Naive beyond belief and that is putting it kindly.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:56 - Jun 11 with 875 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:24 - Jun 11 by ploppy
Now that Labour have said they'll take us out of the single market, and that's basically what the Tories were saying as well, that amounts to 82% of the vote that supported leaving the single market. Can someone explain to me how that translates to "Hard Brexit is dead" and other such headlines? I guess we need to define what the terms Hard Brexit and Soft Brexit mean - although I wouldn't be surprised they mean different things to different people.
I went back over that interview Plopps. John Mc said that it was a 'jobs first' negotiating platform for Labour with 'access to the Single Market'. Very different than from The Maybot's stance of Bad Deal v No Deal. It follows we have to leave the Single Market if we leave the EU. I still think it's madnesss but there you go......
You have mission in life to hold out your hand,
To help the other guy out,
Help your fellow man.
Stan Ridgway
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 16:35 - Jun 11 with 843 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:55 - Jun 11 by deanscfc
A 'soft Brexit' will be an EEA model like Norway. A 'hard Brexit' would involve severing all ties. Our Brexit government (whoever that may now be) are on cloud cuckoo land if they think 27 countries in the EU are unanimously going to say to us 'yeah no worries you don't have to sign up to any of our rules or anything but you can have all the benefits like our members do'. This, by the way is what Brexit campaigners such as Boris Johnson told the public could happen. Naive beyond belief and that is putting it kindly.
Well that's pretty clear. I wonder if it matches other people's definition?
Anyway, is it like mattresses? Could there be a Medium Brexit, Medium Firm Brexit?
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 16:48 - Jun 11 with 833 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 15:55 - Jun 11 by deanscfc
A 'soft Brexit' will be an EEA model like Norway. A 'hard Brexit' would involve severing all ties. Our Brexit government (whoever that may now be) are on cloud cuckoo land if they think 27 countries in the EU are unanimously going to say to us 'yeah no worries you don't have to sign up to any of our rules or anything but you can have all the benefits like our members do'. This, by the way is what Brexit campaigners such as Boris Johnson told the public could happen. Naive beyond belief and that is putting it kindly.
My memory of the campaign, clouded as it is seems to recall people on both sides including Boris clearly stating that a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 16:48 - Jun 11 by Highjack
My memory of the campaign, clouded as it is seems to recall people on both sides including Boris clearly stating that a vote to leave is a vote to leave the single market.
Sort of. What he actually said is that we can continue to have free-trade access to the territory covered by the Single Market — but not to be subject to EU law. Which is at best a pipe dream.
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 16:11 - Jun 11 by Private_Partz
I went back over that interview Plopps. John Mc said that it was a 'jobs first' negotiating platform for Labour with 'access to the Single Market'. Very different than from The Maybot's stance of Bad Deal v No Deal. It follows we have to leave the Single Market if we leave the EU. I still think it's madnesss but there you go......
I must admit I didn't see John McD's interview - just saw the reports in the media afterwards. Do you know what "a 'jobs first' negotiating platform for Labour with 'access to the Single Market'" actually translates to in negotiating terms?
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 17:41 - Jun 11 with 793 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 17:35 - Jun 11 by ploppy
I must admit I didn't see John McD's interview - just saw the reports in the media afterwards. Do you know what "a 'jobs first' negotiating platform for Labour with 'access to the Single Market'" actually translates to in negotiating terms?
The manifesto was quite detailed on what Labour would look to achieve from Brexit.
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 17:41 - Jun 11 by exiledclaseboy
The manifesto was quite detailed on what Labour would look to achieve from Brexit.
Well we're post election now so manifestos go out the window.
All right let's try one by one. Do you know what a "jobs first" negotiating stance is and what that translates to in our relationship with the EU? Otherwise it's just fluff.
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If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 17:57 - Jun 11 with 775 views
If there was another Brexit vote ( there won't be) what sums you up on 17:50 - Jun 11 by ploppy
Well we're post election now so manifestos go out the window.
All right let's try one by one. Do you know what a "jobs first" negotiating stance is and what that translates to in our relationship with the EU? Otherwise it's just fluff.
I'm not sure where you get the idea that the manifestos will go out of the window. The Queen's Speech will include as many of the Tories' manifesto commitments they think they'll be able to get away with now that they no longer have a majority. Labour plans to table an amendment which will include many of its own commitments.
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