| Incident at MEN 23:11 - May 22 with 14830 views | nordenblue |
Seems like some kind of explosion has just happened at the arena immediately after a concert.....doesnt sound good |  | | |  |
| Incident at MEN on 12:27 - May 23 with 4534 views | Nigeriamark |
| Incident at MEN on 07:56 - May 23 by nordenblue |
"Medieval Monsters" is probably the best description ive heard for these cowards,who on the planet can justifiably target children at a concert.
You just wonder at what point does the country begin to wake up to these shit house's and deal with them properly |
We didn't deal with the Irish terrorists harshly enough so I imagine this will be similar - Tough promises but little changing due to legal rights of the guilty taking priority over the rights of the innocent |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 15:01 - May 23 with 4228 views | pioneer |
| Incident at MEN on 12:27 - May 23 by Nigeriamark |
We didn't deal with the Irish terrorists harshly enough so I imagine this will be similar - Tough promises but little changing due to legal rights of the guilty taking priority over the rights of the innocent |
you mean like these blokes?
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-12664938
Lets hope the same mistakes are not made and real culprits are apprehended. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 17:20 - May 23 with 3968 views | JimmyRustler |
| Incident at MEN on 11:11 - May 23 by DaleiLama |
Indeed, I saw that. The speculation was along he lines that had the show finished as scheduled, the exits would have been much more packed at the time of the explosion and more fatalities would have ensued, but that theory pre-supposes the killer knew what time the show was due to finish. Seems a tad unlikely. Common sense suggests that the perpetrator would just wait until the area was at its busiest and detonate, unless he/she was worried about hanging around looking suspicious whilst probably wearing plenty of clothes on a warm night. I don't suppose every detail will be established exactly or even released to the public for operational reasons, but it certainly could have been 10 times worse from what an eye witness was suggesting.
Couldn't agree more as to how sick this act was and whilst no loss of life is ever acceptable, to target the demographic of that concert beggars belief. Reminiscent of the low-life who targeted the kids on the Norwegian island but not as many fatalities. The sad thing is there is virtually no way to stop a single, deluded individual acting in isolation like this if they don't leave a communication trail. Utterly senseless. An immensely sad day as you say. |
Gigs at the MEN (and most other venues) generally keep to a very strict time schedule (due to nuisance laws and the like) so I'm quite sure the attacker knew exactly what he was doing in terms of the detonation time. |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 21:03 - May 23 with 3675 views | LS27Rdale |
How do humans get to a point it their life, that their cause justify's an attack like last night.
Its just so sad, and god knows what all the famillies are going through.
Most of the crowd were kids ffs, |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 21:40 - May 23 with 3604 views | mingthemerciless |
It was obvious at the time to anyone who had eyes to see with that they were innocent and were being fitted up by the police and judiciary. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 23:14 - May 23 with 3483 views | 1mark1 |
As said by a friend of mine, great words
"The IRA bombed #Manchester back in 1996. The city rose from the ashes stronger than ever. It will do so again. We shall not give in to hate!" |  |
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| Incident at MEN on 08:15 - May 24 with 3311 views | dingdangblue |
| Incident at MEN on 23:14 - May 23 by 1mark1 |
As said by a friend of mine, great words
"The IRA bombed #Manchester back in 1996. The city rose from the ashes stronger than ever. It will do so again. We shall not give in to hate!" |
Unfortunately it is easier to rebuild buildings than it is lives. Imagine losing your beautiful 8 year old daughter on what should have been a night full of enjoyment and fun. There but for the grace of God. I would be broken. |  |
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| Incident at MEN on 10:17 - May 24 with 3189 views | DaleiLama |
| Incident at MEN on 08:15 - May 24 by dingdangblue |
Unfortunately it is easier to rebuild buildings than it is lives. Imagine losing your beautiful 8 year old daughter on what should have been a night full of enjoyment and fun. There but for the grace of God. I would be broken. |
Exactly. And what has it achieved? Hardened the general public even more against IS, so terrorism has yet again been proven to be counter-productive. Meanwhile, 80 people have had their lives changed enormously and in many cases ended, with a knock-on effect for all their family and friends. Not to mention all the people who will be emotionally affected by being involved in this atrocity. The Dunkirk spirit will endure forever, but the cost to people is immeasurable. The only good in all of this is the immense pride felt for Manchester and how the people handled this.
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| Incident at MEN on 11:38 - May 24 with 3102 views | dingdangblue |
| Incident at MEN on 12:24 - May 23 by SuddenLad |
They said earlier this morning that they know who he is, but won't reveal his identity at this stage for operational reasons.
Shortly after that statement a 24 year old man was arrested at an address in South Manchester in connection with the enquiry. |
Surprise surprise - he was known to have links with Isis. The softly softly approach must be abandoned now. If they know who these fookers are they need to act. | |
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| Incident at MEN on 11:51 - May 24 with 3089 views | 49thseason |
| Incident at MEN on 11:38 - May 24 by dingdangblue |
Surprise surprise - he was known to have links with Isis. The softly softly approach must be abandoned now. If they know who these fookers are they need to act. |
Seems his father was Al Quaeda, thrown out of Libya by Gaddifi and came to the UK seeking asylum, and went back there a month ago and has not returned, so its probably safe to assume he knew what was being planned. It is beyond me why we continue to allow 3500 people on a watchlist and their families to travel back to places they fled to the UK from. Clearly they are not in fear of their lives back in Libya , Syria etc.. |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 12:13 - May 24 with 3049 views | Bass1 |
| Incident at MEN on 11:51 - May 24 by 49thseason |
Seems his father was Al Quaeda, thrown out of Libya by Gaddifi and came to the UK seeking asylum, and went back there a month ago and has not returned, so its probably safe to assume he knew what was being planned. It is beyond me why we continue to allow 3500 people on a watchlist and their families to travel back to places they fled to the UK from. Clearly they are not in fear of their lives back in Libya , Syria etc.. |
Just drive bulldozers through every building that preaches hate and encourages the slaughter of innocent men women and children. Enough is enough. If tough measures are not swiftly put into place, then I can only see the public taking the law into their own hands, which could then escalate into civil unrest.
Those poor families whom have had their young children murdered and maimed. For what? I cannot even imagine what they are going through. Again, enough is enough. Let's see how tough the Government gets over the forthcoming weeks. [Post edited 24 May 2017 12:16]
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| Incident at MEN on 13:41 - May 24 with 2929 views | 49thseason |
| Incident at MEN on 12:13 - May 24 by Bass1 |
Just drive bulldozers through every building that preaches hate and encourages the slaughter of innocent men women and children. Enough is enough. If tough measures are not swiftly put into place, then I can only see the public taking the law into their own hands, which could then escalate into civil unrest.
Those poor families whom have had their young children murdered and maimed. For what? I cannot even imagine what they are going through. Again, enough is enough. Let's see how tough the Government gets over the forthcoming weeks. [Post edited 24 May 2017 12:16]
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Ive eaten tougher steaks. Amber Crudd and Maybe will bottle it every time | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 15:59 - May 24 with 2796 views | ArthurDaley |
| Incident at MEN on 13:41 - May 24 by 49thseason |
Ive eaten tougher steaks. Amber Crudd and Maybe will bottle it every time |
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| Incident at MEN on 16:59 - May 24 with 2703 views | frenzied |
An incident completely abhorrent to all normal decent peace loving human beings regardless of faith,colour or creed.
I am uncomfortable with the standard of media coverage of this incident..id be interested to get others thoughts on this..to me some of the coverage is crass..sticking a microphone in the face of a teenage girl whose blatently traumatised isn't really helping or informing anyone. its if the various media outlets whether they are TV radio or paper are trying to "out traumatise " each other and wherever the source of that comes from they simply don't care..and sadly with a lot of the individuals who were close to the incident being so young they are easy prey...
Last week when Brady passed away Granada reports had Lucy Meacock interviewing some psychology expert up on Saddleworth Moor to discuss that cretins mind set etc....although I appreciate the relevance of the moor...I feel again it creates a ghoulish twist which is unnecessary and indeed disrespectful to the families of those who were murdered.
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| Incident at MEN on 17:51 - May 24 with 2657 views | tony_roch975 |
| Incident at MEN on 10:17 - May 24 by DaleiLama |
Exactly. And what has it achieved? Hardened the general public even more against IS, so terrorism has yet again been proven to be counter-productive. Meanwhile, 80 people have had their lives changed enormously and in many cases ended, with a knock-on effect for all their family and friends. Not to mention all the people who will be emotionally affected by being involved in this atrocity. The Dunkirk spirit will endure forever, but the cost to people is immeasurable. The only good in all of this is the immense pride felt for Manchester and how the people handled this.
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Surely that hardening of (western, 'liberal') society against IS exactly what they want. It reinforces their ideology that the whole world is against them and Islam so justifies any actions they take. The 'harder' our response, the more we play into their hands. Great picture of Manchester spirit of hope not hate. | |
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| Incident at MEN on 18:01 - May 24 with 2630 views | 49thseason |
And there is the problem with 24-hour news. When the story starts to flag or the "news" starts to run out, they have to become increasingly "creative" to fill the hours. There is very little actual journalism anymore but lots of presentation of facts, lies, opinions, scenarios, experts etc. People you thought had died years ago get wheeled out to opine, emote and sympathise. Its all just time filling, repetitive nonsense. Sadly, it also creates a narrative that too many take to be the reality. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 18:13 - May 24 with 2613 views | 49thseason |
My guess is that the bomb maker will have come into the country weeks ago and will certainly not have hung around to see the results of his handiwork they are far too valuable to risk getting caught in a manhunt. He has probably been back in Brussels for some time. The $64, 000 question is, how many devices did he make and who is looking after them. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 18:24 - May 24 with 2593 views | Yorkshire_Dale |
Bombmakers are valued by this rabble......they would not do the deed themselves, they brain wash some other idiot to sacrifice himself, and get back to the bomb factory to start all over again. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 08:48 - May 25 with 2290 views | RespectTheChemistry |
| Incident at MEN on 16:59 - May 24 by frenzied |
An incident completely abhorrent to all normal decent peace loving human beings regardless of faith,colour or creed.
I am uncomfortable with the standard of media coverage of this incident..id be interested to get others thoughts on this..to me some of the coverage is crass..sticking a microphone in the face of a teenage girl whose blatently traumatised isn't really helping or informing anyone. its if the various media outlets whether they are TV radio or paper are trying to "out traumatise " each other and wherever the source of that comes from they simply don't care..and sadly with a lot of the individuals who were close to the incident being so young they are easy prey...
Last week when Brady passed away Granada reports had Lucy Meacock interviewing some psychology expert up on Saddleworth Moor to discuss that cretins mind set etc....although I appreciate the relevance of the moor...I feel again it creates a ghoulish twist which is unnecessary and indeed disrespectful to the families of those who were murdered.
Id be interested to hear the views of others |
I haven't seen any TV interviews with people affected by the attack that I thought were intrusive but, given the voracious nature of the 24 hour news beast referred to, that's not to say they haven't occurred.
I have read accounts of victims of previous terrorist attacks which say the level of intrusion by newspaper reporters, in terms of getting hold of their mobile number and pestering them with calls; contacting relatives, friends and work colleagues for information etc greatly increased the trauma they were suffering and thus increased the likelihood of PTSD.
I was struck by the interview conducted yesterday by Ed Thomas for the BBC with one of the Trustees of Didsbury Mosque, which Abedi attended. When asking him how it was they had not been aware of Abedi's extremism, it felt very much like Thomas was haranguing him for their failure. This is a very important and sensitive issue but it is not the BBC's job to be pointing figures or interrogating people in this manner. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 08:57 - May 25 with 2273 views | KenBoon |
I've seen a video of the tributes in St Ann's Square. There's basically a wall of cameras and reporters surrounding the entire thing, with more cameras, reporters and news anchors stood behind them, reporting LIVE from there. It's impossible to imagine a more public and noisy area. They've turned an area for tributes into a tv studio where anyone who wishes to grieve would have every expression, prayer and tear broadcast to the world. Then, best of luck getting out of there without being hassled for your thoughts. |  | | |
| Incident at MEN on 11:33 - May 25 with 2124 views | DaleiLama |
| Incident at MEN on 17:51 - May 24 by tony_roch975 |
Surely that hardening of (western, 'liberal') society against IS exactly what they want. It reinforces their ideology that the whole world is against them and Islam so justifies any actions they take. The 'harder' our response, the more we play into their hands. Great picture of Manchester spirit of hope not hate. |
Absolutely no idea what their motivation is. Leverage is often one of the motivations behind terrorism, but the inside of these depraved minds is totally opaque to me. I think anyone who becomes opposed to a religion because of terror bombing isn't really seeing the big picture. To loathe terrorist extremists who hi-jack a religion to promote their agenda is another thing altogether. Most Muslims are appalled at this vile, cowardly attack.
The poem read out at that assembly was also inspiring | |
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| Incident at MEN on 14:45 - May 25 with 1960 views | 1mark1 |
| Incident at MEN on 11:33 - May 25 by DaleiLama |
Absolutely no idea what their motivation is. Leverage is often one of the motivations behind terrorism, but the inside of these depraved minds is totally opaque to me. I think anyone who becomes opposed to a religion because of terror bombing isn't really seeing the big picture. To loathe terrorist extremists who hi-jack a religion to promote their agenda is another thing altogether. Most Muslims are appalled at this vile, cowardly attack.
The poem read out at that assembly was also inspiring |
Their real motivation is to cause terror and disruption to whoever their enemy is, whether in UK, Pakistan, or any other country. Unlike the IRA, in Ireland, ETA in Spain for example, they are not necessarily hoping to force a government to the table for negotiations etc. They don't seam to have any cause as such, or indeed represent anyone other than their sick, depraved selves.
What I said is in no way a justification for any terrorist act. | |
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| Incident at MEN on 15:01 - May 25 with 1935 views | pioneer |
| Incident at MEN on 14:45 - May 25 by 1mark1 |
Their real motivation is to cause terror and disruption to whoever their enemy is, whether in UK, Pakistan, or any other country. Unlike the IRA, in Ireland, ETA in Spain for example, they are not necessarily hoping to force a government to the table for negotiations etc. They don't seam to have any cause as such, or indeed represent anyone other than their sick, depraved selves.
What I said is in no way a justification for any terrorist act. |
There does seem to be an association between the countries these folks come from or are linked to and countries we (the west) have attacked, usually in the name of regeime change (eg afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria).
No it doesnt justify the horrendous acts perpetrated on innocent people and the perpetrators must be apprehended and face the full extent of the law.
However once we start to focus on trying to understand why these things happen (and now is maybe not that time as we pursue the perpetrators and grieve the innocent victims) Id like to think it would extend to reviewing our foreign policy. We do have a track record of interfering in countries because we have decided we dont like the leader and then leaving these places in far worse states than they were in under those leaders. Of course there are other countries with despicable leaders that we choose not to interfere in - the choice of where to interfere often seems to be linked to the location of oil. | | | |
| Incident at MEN on 15:33 - May 25 with 1883 views | 1mark1 |
| Incident at MEN on 15:01 - May 25 by pioneer |
There does seem to be an association between the countries these folks come from or are linked to and countries we (the west) have attacked, usually in the name of regeime change (eg afghanistan, iraq, libya, syria).
No it doesnt justify the horrendous acts perpetrated on innocent people and the perpetrators must be apprehended and face the full extent of the law.
However once we start to focus on trying to understand why these things happen (and now is maybe not that time as we pursue the perpetrators and grieve the innocent victims) Id like to think it would extend to reviewing our foreign policy. We do have a track record of interfering in countries because we have decided we dont like the leader and then leaving these places in far worse states than they were in under those leaders. Of course there are other countries with despicable leaders that we choose not to interfere in - the choice of where to interfere often seems to be linked to the location of oil. |
Totally agree with you, in much what you say. The thing about Libya and Iraq, is that Ghaddaffi and Hussain, both kept the fundamentalists under control, as they both ran secular governments. Hussain's right hand man Tariiq Assis was a Christian. In fact in both countries, not only Christians but other religions as well as non religious people, were left alone, and unlike nowadays were not attacked. However the western powers did not like those two people,as they refused to allow the west to run the oil, and didn't trade in dollars. The bastard that committed this heinous, cowardly crime came from one of the opposition forces of Libya, hard line fundamentalists who want to make their form of religion all powerful at the expense of other Muslims and other religions. I simply don't understand why this bastard holds so much resentment against Britain, especially when this country was part of the coalition that got rid of their sworn enemy Ghaddifi.
Just hope from now on we syptay out of other countries civil wars etc. | |
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