| RIP Fidel 07:39 - Nov 26 with 32544 views | QuakerJack |
Just announced that Fidel Castro has died... A truly sad day! RIP Fidel!! Hasta la victoria siempre!! |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 17:07 - Nov 27 with 2353 views | Lord_Bony |
| RIP Fidel on 13:26 - Nov 27 by perchrockjack |
So they didn't swim literally away from Cuba because of Castro s tyranny.
Ok then then, controversial...Stalin, was he misunderstood |
Stalin was misunderstood by many...he did nt really mean any harm,he was taken far too seriously by the West.
Deep down,it has been suggested by those who knew him he was just looking for attention and needed to be loved...just like the rest of us I guess. |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 17:11 - Nov 27 with 2351 views | exiledclaseboy |
| RIP Fidel on 17:07 - Nov 27 by Lord_Bony |
Stalin was misunderstood by many...he did nt really mean any harm,he was taken far too seriously by the West.
Deep down,it has been suggested by those who knew him he was just looking for attention and needed to be loved...just like the rest of us I guess. |
Are you serious? |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 17:14 - Nov 27 with 2347 views | Lord_Bony |
Ok 50 mill granted but apart from that he was alright. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 17:15 - Nov 27 with 2343 views | Darran |
Yes he is. |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 17:41 - Nov 27 with 2318 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| RIP Fidel on 13:26 - Nov 27 by perchrockjack |
So they didn't swim literally away from Cuba because of Castro s tyranny.
Ok then then, controversial...Stalin, was he misunderstood |
90 miles they paddled on home made rafts to Florida. In shark-infested waters.
Thousands of them. Nobody will ever how many died trying.
The Stalin of the Americas always laughably blaimed the USA for all the political dissidents who risked their lives against great odds (much higher failure/death rate than East German defectors faced) to escape the dictator. I never would have imagined anyone actually fell for those ridiculous claims, before I came here. |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 17:49 - Nov 27 with 2320 views | PURe_Evil |
| RIP Fidel on 17:41 - Nov 27 by Tummer_from_Texas |
90 miles they paddled on home made rafts to Florida. In shark-infested waters.
Thousands of them. Nobody will ever how many died trying.
The Stalin of the Americas always laughably blaimed the USA for all the political dissidents who risked their lives against great odds (much higher failure/death rate than East German defectors faced) to escape the dictator. I never would have imagined anyone actually fell for those ridiculous claims, before I came here. |
F*ck the Mexicans though right? |  | | |
| RIP Fidel on 17:58 - Nov 27 with 2309 views | Darran |
| RIP Fidel on 17:49 - Nov 27 by PURe_Evil |
F*ck the Mexicans though right? |
Not everyone in America thinks that Butt.
Just saying. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:07 - Nov 27 with 2295 views | controversial_jack |
| RIP Fidel on 17:41 - Nov 27 by Tummer_from_Texas |
90 miles they paddled on home made rafts to Florida. In shark-infested waters.
Thousands of them. Nobody will ever how many died trying.
The Stalin of the Americas always laughably blaimed the USA for all the political dissidents who risked their lives against great odds (much higher failure/death rate than East German defectors faced) to escape the dictator. I never would have imagined anyone actually fell for those ridiculous claims, before I came here. |
They were economic refugees, not dissidents, largely caused by the US emargo |  | | |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:13 - Nov 27 with 2286 views | exiledclaseboy |
| RIP Fidel on 18:07 - Nov 27 by controversial_jack |
They were economic refugees, not dissidents, largely caused by the US emargo |
I'd imagine they were a mixture of both. It's as pointless pretending Castro's regime was a bed of roses for all Cubans as it is to pretend that it was hell on earth. [Post edited 27 Nov 2016 18:14]
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| RIP Fidel on 18:13 - Nov 27 with 2285 views | DJack |
| RIP Fidel on 18:13 - Nov 27 by exiledclaseboy |
I'd imagine they were a mixture of both. It's as pointless pretending Castro's regime was a bed of roses for all Cubans as it is to pretend that it was hell on earth. [Post edited 27 Nov 2016 18:14]
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| It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:18 - Nov 27 with 2277 views | controversial_jack |
| RIP Fidel on 18:13 - Nov 27 by exiledclaseboy |
I'd imagine they were a mixture of both. It's as pointless pretending Castro's regime was a bed of roses for all Cubans as it is to pretend that it was hell on earth. [Post edited 27 Nov 2016 18:14]
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What regime is perfect? It was a lot better than the previous one THOUGH | | | |
| RIP Fidel on 18:25 - Nov 27 with 2262 views | exiledclaseboy |
| RIP Fidel on 18:18 - Nov 27 by controversial_jack |
What regime is perfect? It was a lot better than the previous one THOUGH |
My benevolent dictatorship would be nigh on perfect. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:35 - Nov 27 with 2247 views | Groo |
| RIP Fidel on 18:07 - Nov 27 by controversial_jack |
They were economic refugees, not dissidents, largely caused by the US emargo |
You do realise he executed dissidents don't you.
The migration type depends mainly when.
Waves of Migration
The exiles' principal motivation for the decision to leave changed over time with the unfolding Cuban revolution. Nelson Amaro and Alejandro Portes (1972) portrayed these motivations as changing from "those who wait" to "those who escape," and finally to "those who search." To update their analysis, I added "those who hope" and "those who despair" (1996).
The immigrants of the first wave (1959-1962) were Cuba's elite: executives and owners of firms, big merchants, sugar mill owners, cattlemen, representatives of foreign companies, and professionals. They left Cuba when the revolution overturned the old social order through measures such as the nationalization of American industry and agrarian reform laws, which caused the U.S. to sever all ties. "Those who wait" characterized these first refugees who imagined a temporary exile, while waiting for American help to overthrow Cuba's new government. After the fiasco of the exiles' Bay of Pigs invasion (April 1961), the exodus doubled and "those who escape" constituted the second phase. Castro called them counterrevolutionaries – gusanos (worms).
The second wave of migration (1965-1974) arrived through the airbridge which resulted when both the U. S. and Cuba negotiated the orderly departure of Cubans. "Those who search" characterized this wave of migration that Alejandro Portes, Juan Clark, and Robert Bach (1977) studied, a group largely composed of the petite bourgeoisie: cooks, gardeners, domestics, street vendors, barbers, hairdressers, taxi drivers, small retail merchants, and small merchants. They left Cuba when Castro launched a new "revolutionary offensive," confiscating over 55,000 small businesses.
With the economic transition to socialism effected in the 1970s, the government cast the shape of the political system and Cuba took on the features of Eastern European communism. The old idealism and romanticism of the 1960s gave way to pragmatism. In 1978, a dialogue took place between the Cuban government and the Cuban community in exile, resulting in the Cuban government's agreement to release political prisoners and promote family reunification by allowing Cubans in the U.S. to visit Cuba. Those visits were partly responsible for the third wave – the chaotic flotilla exodus from the harbor of Mariel in 1980. Towards its end, this wave included Cuba's social undesirables, many of whom had been in prison (whether they were political prisoners, or common criminals who had committed real crimes, or had only challenged the state). Castro called them escoria (scum).
The Marielitos' most salient characteristic was their youth (most were young men, single or without their families) and the much larger presence of Blacks than before. As Robert Bach's (1981/82) studies of the Marielitos highlight, this last group was overwhelmingly working-class. A significant number of young intellectuals came as well, who called themselves "the Mariel generation" (the most famous of whom was Reinaldo Arenas). "Those who hope" might well characterize this wave.
Because of their youth, the Marielitos constituted a different political generation, coming of age long after the initial revolutionary struggle and its enormous sacrifices and affirmations of loyalty. Karl Mannheim (1952) defined a political generation as constituted by individuals of approximately the same age who share, in their coming of age, certain historical experiences that shape their political outlook. Most of the Mariel immigrants grew up during the late 1960s or the 1970s, at a time when problems of freedom of expression became acute, especially for artists and intellectuals, and when deviance, particularly homosexuality, was dealt with by prison sentence. As a result, the Marielitos are a significantly different "vintage." After 20 years of exodus, two exile "vintages" face one another but can hardly comprehend one another. Both groups are politically disaffected, but in markedly different ways. For example, a typical 1960 émigré was an executive, older, male, and White who likely became disaffected by the nationalization of American industry in the early years of the revolution. But a typical 1980 émigré was a bus driver, young, male, and Black who did not mind that nationalization. Instead, he likely believed in the revolution until successive prison terms for his participation in the black market promoted his disaffection.
The fourth wave of the Cuban exodus to the United States developed recently (1985-1994). Cuba's enormous dependence on the Soviet Union created a new economic crisis when communism collapsed in Europe (Mesa-Lago 1994). This severe crisis caused Castro himself to declare it a "perÃodo especial" – a special period that was to have been temporary. But this crisis, coupled with the United States' tightening of the embargo in 1992, led to the abject need and hunger that are daily realities for Cubans. Indeed, Cubans became so desperate that in 1994 they began leaving on balsas (rafts, tires, makeshift vessels) that drifted on the ocean, risking death due to starvation, dehydration, drowning, or sharks. Over 34,000 left that summer. Due to an abrupt change in U. S. policy, the U. S. Coast redirected them to the base at Guantánamo, from where they were eventually resettled throughout the U.S. "Those who despair" constituted this last wave of migration.
http://quod.lib.umich.edu/j/jii/4750978.0005.204/--cuba-s-revolution-and-exodus? |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:42 - Nov 27 with 2234 views | Ebo |
| RIP Fidel on 17:41 - Nov 27 by Tummer_from_Texas |
90 miles they paddled on home made rafts to Florida. In shark-infested waters.
Thousands of them. Nobody will ever how many died trying.
The Stalin of the Americas always laughably blaimed the USA for all the political dissidents who risked their lives against great odds (much higher failure/death rate than East German defectors faced) to escape the dictator. I never would have imagined anyone actually fell for those ridiculous claims, before I came here. |
He freed his nation from American oppression and forced slavery, not to mention the American theft of their natural resources.
Everyone who has studied Cuba knows Fulgencio Batista was a puppet leader for America and didn't just kill his enemies but their families too. He was a dictator and had a home in Florida and all on behalf of American government interests
Castro stopped all that.
Unfortunately you have only seen the propaganda,
Please learn about Cuba's true history, |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:49 - Nov 27 with 2224 views | Groo |
| RIP Fidel on 18:42 - Nov 27 by Ebo |
He freed his nation from American oppression and forced slavery, not to mention the American theft of their natural resources.
Everyone who has studied Cuba knows Fulgencio Batista was a puppet leader for America and didn't just kill his enemies but their families too. He was a dictator and had a home in Florida and all on behalf of American government interests
Castro stopped all that.
Unfortunately you have only seen the propaganda,
Please learn about Cuba's true history, |
Going from extreme bad in one direction is not a justification to go to extreme bad in the other.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2016/11/fidel-castro-s-human-rights-legac | |
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| RIP Fidel on 18:54 - Nov 27 with 2217 views | Groo |
| RIP Fidel on 18:42 - Nov 27 by Ebo |
He freed his nation from American oppression and forced slavery, not to mention the American theft of their natural resources.
Everyone who has studied Cuba knows Fulgencio Batista was a puppet leader for America and didn't just kill his enemies but their families too. He was a dictator and had a home in Florida and all on behalf of American government interests
Castro stopped all that.
Unfortunately you have only seen the propaganda,
Please learn about Cuba's true history, |
or how about this contribution from a poster on another messageboard.
"My grandmother was cuban, and post-Batista Cuba did not look any better. Castro denied any form of democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the press. He denied cuban the most basic human rights as much as Batista. It was not a step forward at all, at least that's what she said. I find it outrageous that western so-called liberal politicians praise a dictator who oppressed its people for 50 years and whose brother is still oppressing, because the internment camps and the executions, arrests, tortures and harrasments were daily routine for any Cuban who dared to oppose the regime. And it is still like that. There is no freedom of speech in Cuba, you are not allowed to protest for the right to vote for your political party, or ask for changes to the single-party rule of the Communist Party. That's taboo, in the Cuba some liberals are praising on newspapers today. But they get all nervous and cry, literally, if Donald Trump is democratically elected in free and fair elections.
The fair of global hypocrisy. Go to cuba, live it. Live it like i did. I visited Cuba many times. After decades, my grandmother was allowed to return at least to visit what was left of her family of dissidents and enemies of the regime. They are not rich, they are not happy. Cubans are poor. There is rice and chicken, that's all you can eat. But of course, if you are a westerner and you want to spend a couple weeks in a resort, you can do that with armed soldiers guarding the entrance and making sure nobody, except hookers, can get inside. How does that differ from the brothels and casinos sponsored by Batista? It isn't any different, because by the time you step on Cuban soil, there's one or more girls offering you sex for as little as 5-10 dollars. Is this the achievement of the "socialist revolution" led by Castro, against Batista the oppressor of the proletariat? Pedophiles, sex tourists and other brands of maniacs are the most welcomed tourists on the island.
Castro was a dictator, like Kim Jong Un, like Qaddafi, like Saddam, like Pol Pot, like Mao Tse Tung, like any other bufoon wearing a generalissimo hat or an olive green uniform. And i'm glad he is dead." [Post edited 27 Nov 2016 18:55]
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| RIP Fidel on 19:08 - Nov 27 with 2188 views | Highjack |
I question the wisdom of letting Prince Harry loose with a bunch of girl guides. |  |
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| RIP Fidel on 19:47 - Nov 27 with 2161 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| RIP Fidel on 17:49 - Nov 27 by PURe_Evil |
F*ck the Mexicans though right? |
ILLEGAL immigrants don't adversely affect my life, other than taking free advantage of the perks my taxes pay for, so I don't care much one way or the other.
However, they DO hurt the legal , documented immigrants who DO pay taxes, and the other people they undercut and take jobs from.
But thanks for your input on a subject you obviously know crap about. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 20:02 - Nov 27 with 2140 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
But it's true that not all the refugees were political dissidents.
Many were also homosexuals, a crime that meant you had to spend your life in a labor camp in Castro's Cuba.
The incredible hypocrisy from the Left used to defend a pure evil genocidal murderer who is now thankfully roasting in Hell, simply because he represents your hate of the USA, is mind-blowing. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 20:05 - Nov 27 with 2130 views | Darran |
| RIP Fidel on 20:02 - Nov 27 by Tummer_from_Texas |
But it's true that not all the refugees were political dissidents.
Many were also homosexuals, a crime that meant you had to spend your life in a labor camp in Castro's Cuba.
The incredible hypocrisy from the Left used to defend a pure evil genocidal murderer who is now thankfully roasting in Hell, simply because he represents your hate of the USA, is mind-blowing. |
You should try and whittle out the c*nts on here Tums and you'll know they're not worth replying to.
Love you man. 🇺🇸 | |
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| RIP Fidel on 20:10 - Nov 27 with 2124 views | Tummer_from_Texas |
| RIP Fidel on 20:05 - Nov 27 by Darran |
You should try and whittle out the c*nts on here Tums and you'll know they're not worth replying to.
Love you man. 🇺🇸 |
True, thanks buddy love ya back. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 20:20 - Nov 27 with 2107 views | perchrockjack |
Some crackers here.
Stalin possibly bigger butcher than hitler.
CAstro worshipped Marx and as a consequence of this socialism ,millions have either been killed or have vanished but hey....he stood up to the Yanks.
Speak to a Cuban. | |
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| RIP Fidel on 20:27 - Nov 27 with 2096 views | Lord_Bony |
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