| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and 09:45 - Jan 14 with 8729 views | caerleon_jack |
...can't-wait-to-blame-HJ-ers...
Teams have survived after being in far, far worse positions than ours.
Look up rather than down. Win our next two games and we can be mid-table(ish). Lose our next two games and we'll still probably be two games away from mid-table.
Be positive. I'd much rather spend the rest of the season being positive and enjoying Premier League while we're in it, than spending the next 5 months moaning and waiting to gloat that I was right about being doomed. Seriously, the fact that some of you will not be happy until we are relegated is sickening.
Remember where we came from. All those crowing that HJ has ruined us and made so many mistakes over the last two years. HJ has been lauded, and quite rightly, for the way he's run the club since he became chairman. He's not a foreign owner who's lost interest, he's a local man who is doing his best for the club. He's made a few duff decisions, but he's got the best interests of the club at heart. Show me someone who is ready and able to do a better job.
Last night was an important game. However, that one game is not going to decide our season. We suffered some dreadful referee decisions, and the fact the Big Sam has admitted that shows that this is not some case of some fans thinking the ref picked on us because we're Welsh. The ref and his assistants were inept and potentially cost us a point if not three. We didn't play brilliantly, but we would have gotten something from that game with better officials.
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:48 - Jan 14 with 1352 views | jack247 |
The defence is good enough to survive. The midfield is good enough to survive, will be better if we bring DeGuzman in. If we don't gamble on a striker, we will probably go down because we just haven't got the firepower to put a run of results together. |  | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:10 - Jan 14 with 1322 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:43 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
Ha ha I think many, maybe all, of the board would love to go! As long as they trouser enough cash.
Personally I'd like to see fresh equity (ie not a share purchase) and experience brought into the club, even if the trust gets a bit diluted (as long as not up to any legal trigger points). That's not going to happen though, and another distraction for them now is imo the last thing that's needed.
Its worth remembering that the people that you think are not hacking it have the most material, if not emotional, skin in the game. We all may have difference of opinions on what needs to be done, but they have most at risk.
I simply don't think things are as bleak, nor the board or trust as weak as you paint it. That doesn't make you wrong or me right. What cant be denied, as someone else said, is that the whole manager shambles has been a fiasco and the board has messed that up badly, by leaving themselves totally boxed in. They now, for their own sakes, and ours, need to sort it out. |
Your tone in this post has toned down a bit from your post.
What you say here about the board needing to sort it out is pretty obvious to most fans.
However just like the delays in sacking GM, delays in Not getting a new manager and then appointing AC with absolutely no back up whatsoever shows that the board have absolutely no clue how to "sort it out".
AC has got most of the players playing really well and fighting for the club, although for me the effort of Ki leaves a lot to be desired, he also sems to make a pretty good of the original team selection, but his Substitutions do not appear correct to most fans.
He needs help, OK they say they couldn't get a Manager, but surely they can get him some help and not Fab's coach who is taking him backwards at a rate of Knots and he will soon be "Flapianski" of his Arsenal days (same coach by the way) | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:19 - Jan 14 with 1322 views | LeonisGod |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 09:58 - Jan 14 by QuakerJack |
Ok... Do you believe that appointing Curtis was the best move we could have made at the time?
I believe it was the cheapest |
No doubt it was cheap, but I don't think that was the reason he was appointed. I see it more as an appointment out of indecision, paralysis and fear. We know they talked to some and were knocked back, but then we didn't have a plan b (or c or d). That's my take anyway. |  | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:24 - Jan 14 with 1314 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:19 - Jan 14 by LeonisGod |
No doubt it was cheap, but I don't think that was the reason he was appointed. I see it more as an appointment out of indecision, paralysis and fear. We know they talked to some and were knocked back, but then we didn't have a plan b (or c or d). That's my take anyway. |
Yeah, a very similar view to mine.
I would add... That they also quite possibly insulated a few potential managers along the way with their ridiculus contract offers. Perhaps this then has sent a message around the football world that Swansea have lost their heads! |  | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:25 - Jan 14 with 1305 views | lovejuicejack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:24 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
Yeah, a very similar view to mine.
I would add... That they also quite possibly insulated a few potential managers along the way with their ridiculus contract offers. Perhaps this then has sent a message around the football world that Swansea have lost their heads! |
Well it is cold out at the moment |  | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:29 - Jan 14 with 1304 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:25 - Jan 14 by lovejuicejack |
Well it is cold out at the moment |
Put a beanie on then! | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:42 - Jan 14 with 1292 views | Jackanapes |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:19 - Jan 14 by LeonisGod |
No doubt it was cheap, but I don't think that was the reason he was appointed. I see it more as an appointment out of indecision, paralysis and fear. We know they talked to some and were knocked back, but then we didn't have a plan b (or c or d). That's my take anyway. |
HJ said in last nights program notes he could appointed any one of 20 managers but chose not to. |  |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:47 - Jan 14 with 1280 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:42 - Jan 14 by Jackanapes |
HJ said in last nights program notes he could appointed any one of 20 managers but chose not to. |
So what?
That's all he is doing is making excuses. It was his job to find the right man for the job. He's failed as Curtis clearly is not that man, by his own admission and the fact he doesn't want it, add in that he's no experience etc. our relegation rivals cannot believe their luck. Oh, and you create your own luck and we don't deserve any at the moment.
Someone needs to take ownership of the problems at then club. It seems to me no one is, least of all the board. Therefore I'd say it now falls on the trust to bark at, cajole, push the board into proper action, even if it costs money. Maybe they've some creative ideas? | | | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:50 - Jan 14 with 1279 views | monmouth |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:42 - Jan 14 by Jackanapes |
HJ said in last nights program notes he could appointed any one of 20 managers but chose not to. |
Christ. Twenty? Did he say why? |  |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:51 - Jan 14 with 1276 views | Jackanapes |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:50 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
Christ. Twenty? Did he say why? |
Have a read. | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:53 - Jan 14 with 1270 views | Jackanapes |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:47 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
So what?
That's all he is doing is making excuses. It was his job to find the right man for the job. He's failed as Curtis clearly is not that man, by his own admission and the fact he doesn't want it, add in that he's no experience etc. our relegation rivals cannot believe their luck. Oh, and you create your own luck and we don't deserve any at the moment.
Someone needs to take ownership of the problems at then club. It seems to me no one is, least of all the board. Therefore I'd say it now falls on the trust to bark at, cajole, push the board into proper action, even if it costs money. Maybe they've some creative ideas? |
Thats not how it reads to me. He presents it quite reasonably but them Im not out for blood. | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:59 - Jan 14 with 1256 views | costalotta |
hey Monmouth....
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a ha I think many, maybe all, of the board would love to go! As long as they trouser enough cash. "
Yes, this is probably true. Well at least most of them, and who can blame them?
"Personally I'd like to see fresh equity (ie not a share purchase) and experience brought into the club, even if the trust gets a bit diluted (as long as not up to any legal trigger points). That's not going to happen though, and another distraction for them now is imo the last thing that's needed. "
Not going to happen in the near future becuase of the way we're set up, our position and the Trust being seen as an obstacle.
"Its worth remembering that the people that you think are not hacking it have the most material, if not emotional, skin in the game. We all may have difference of opinions on what needs to be done, but they have most at risk. "
I know and you'd think they'd act accordingly. The indecision was/ is unbelievable. The the decision that they did make, well, we all know how that will probably end up. Remember Cusack? I wonder if Jenkins will realise his c ck up and go back, apologise and pay what needs to be paid to get the manager we went after in the first place. And sooner rather than later. We should be fighting with EVERYTHING we got, not just on the field, but of it as well.
"I simply don't think things are as bleak, nor the board or trust as weak as you paint it. That doesn't make you wrong or me right. What cant be denied, as someone else said, is that the whole manager shambles has been a fiasco and the board has messed that up badly, by leaving themselves totally boxed in. They now, for their own sakes, and ours, need to sort it out."
You have an opinion on that and I mine. We have to agree to disagree although I do respect your posts....most of the time. Ha! I'm wondering if they've realised that they have swam out too far as it were and now themselves are lacking in confidence. I'm my experience that can lead to wrong decisions being made. And let's be honest, a few have been made. I really hope your right and I'm wrong by the way, I just can't see it though re the board and trust. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 14:00 - Jan 14 with 1253 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 13:53 - Jan 14 by Jackanapes |
Thats not how it reads to me. He presents it quite reasonably but them Im not out for blood. |
I'm not out for blood at all. I'm out for trying to have debate. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 14:21 - Jan 14 with 1233 views | Nookiejack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 12:48 - Jan 14 by jack247 |
The defence is good enough to survive. The midfield is good enough to survive, will be better if we bring DeGuzman in. If we don't gamble on a striker, we will probably go down because we just haven't got the firepower to put a run of results together. |
After last night - I simply don't think our defence is good enough to survive.
We moan about having no attacking threat, lack of goals and need for new striker - however our achilles heel this season has been our defence.
Teams that have survived in the past - would have found a way of holding on to a 2-1 lead last night.
On reflection last night does seem to have been a combination of:-
1. taking Leon off - instead of Routledge - resulting in us being far to open and having no chance of holding to 2-1 lead. This is where inexperience of Curt really told. There is much less pressure against the big teams when not expected to pick up any points but last night was a key game and I think it will come back to bite us at end of season. An experienced manager would have made all the difference - would have planned for a scenario like that and I really don't think Curt was prepared for it.
2. Fernandez turning his back for their second goal - which is hard to forgive in our current predicament.
3. Ki bottling out of 50:50s - his body language of not getting stuck in - not good for team spirit. Cork should have replaced Ki and has to start from now on. (Sadly to say I have been a big supporter of Ki).
Lastly you need a goalkeeper in form to stay up and Fabianski simply has made too many disastrous mistakes this season and it is more likely this will continue - rather than him delivering some game changing performances. He had a worryingly bad game last night and how is that going to make rest of defect feel.
We could have still won yesterday - even with everything that went against us - if we had cut out defensive mistakes, certain players (Fernandez and Ki) had put their bodies on the line and we had an experienced manager in place.
I keep thinking about crucial 0-0 in 1st leg of play off semi final v Nottingham Forest when Taylor got sent off at start of match - but we still got a result.
I think you make your own luck with regards to the 'Football Gods'. We did not do this when we had sending offs in our favour at Chelsea and Watford and the countless defensive mistakes we have made this season.
We desperately need a change in momentum - hopefully this will come from some outstanding player performances -where all players put their bodies on the line - to rebuild confidence. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 14:54 - Jan 14 with 1214 views | monmouth |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 14:00 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
I'm not out for blood at all. I'm out for trying to have debate. |
You have a certain resemblance to someone I used to enjoy debating with.... | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:17 - Jan 14 with 1191 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 14:54 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
You have a certain resemblance to someone I used to enjoy debating with.... |
From here? | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:42 - Jan 14 with 1179 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:17 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
From here? |
To be honest I haven't posted much over the years. Not really felt the need to plus my work can sometimes make it difficult. But I do feel quite strongly about the current state of affairs. In my view could have all been avoided, or at least mitigated against if you know what I mean. I hold no grudges against anyone and always try to say it as I see it.
With respect to the board... They've received praise when they've deserved it and rightly so. They should also receive critism, when they deserve it. Like now. The trust is a difficult one in that I'm it really sure anymore what their role is. I know what I'd like it to be, or at least be trying to do. But they neither are or seem to be doing anything other than staying very quiet. Things too cushy maybe? I don't know.
A couple of seasons ago I along with someone else was invited as guests of the directors to attend a game. I'm not going to say what game but was one of the exciting ones we've had since being in the EPL. I was made to feel very welcom and got to meet All the directors of the swans and the opposing team. It was a fantastic day and an eye opener. However, it was a bit OOO in extravagance, it was then that started me thinking about the way we're run, the relatianships between the directors, the supporters director and his role. The views of certain ppl on that day and the way they spoke of the team and manager then. Not all mind, just one or two. I have to be honest here and say that I didn't like the one director behaved and spoke and wouldn't repeat for obvious reasons. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:53 - Jan 14 with 1168 views | monmouth |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:17 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
From here? |
Yes but I've just remembered who it was and you're nowhere near as abrasive in your views. Not so far anyway! | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:00 - Jan 14 with 1156 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:53 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
Yes but I've just remembered who it was and you're nowhere near as abrasive in your views. Not so far anyway! |
It's not my intention to annoy anyone. If my views are considered so then sorry. However, you have Say it as you see it? | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:06 - Jan 14 with 1149 views | monmouth |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:00 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
It's not my intention to annoy anyone. If my views are considered so then sorry. However, you have Say it as you see it? |
Well I don't find you annoying for one. | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:22 - Jan 14 with 1136 views | SwaneeRiver |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 10:08 - Jan 14 by QuakerJack |
My point is that Villa got a manager... Don't write them off by the way... Big win the other night... For reference, see Palace and Leicester... People all too quick to dismiss Sunderland a few weeks ago. |
Leicester were managed last season by a manager who by hook and by crook got them out of trouble - just what we need now.
Yet when Pearson was suggested by the press as a possible manager for us, many on here slagged off the idea as if we are too good for the likes of him.
if we go down (which I pray to God we don't but after last night I wonder where we are going to get enough wins from to stay up) then we could regret not employ an experienced manager. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:26 - Jan 14 with 1125 views | costalotta |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:06 - Jan 14 by monmouth |
Well I don't find you annoying for one. |
Well that's good then.
At the end of the day we all wants what's best for the club we all love. We will all have different views on how that can be achieved for sure.
I just hope that those running things up their game, the coaching staff and AC, the players and fans will do all we can during matches I'm 100% sure. But the board have to give it right go, create the capability and the means to move forward. Time to hand the reigns to a manager with a vision (similar if not the same as ours), a project. Much in the same wash as Martinez. Rather than we dictate that in total to the new manager. That way we will add to what we have, we will grow again as a club. More feathers to the cap as it were. An example is Sousa. Not that Im calling him out to come back, although I wouldn't say no. But what I mean is.... The way he taught us tactics and importantly how to defend. He took martinezs team and added to it. Alright we suffered up front but IMO at that time it was exactly what we needed. Especially after losing Jason Scotland and jordi Gomez from the squad. What he achieved was pretty good IMO given the way RM left and ripped the heart out. [Post edited 14 Jan 2016 16:30]
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:43 - Jan 14 with 1101 views | Matlock_Jack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 10:41 - Jan 14 by caerleon_jack |
I'm not saying *all* those who think we are doomed will gloat, but I guarantee there are a number on here that, whilst being disappointed that we have been relegated, will completely enjoy coming straight onto this website and demanding apologies from those who were positive, or will 'bump' threads that show that they were right all along. We have some very odd people following us - luckily most jumped ship to the 'other' site while a go, but there are still some remaining on here. |
What other site?
The Vital Forum? Not sure anyone really posts on there, very much anymore.
You have to accept that it is what is, we're in trouble and simply thinking positively isn't enough; the players have to perform, irrespective of the prevailing mood among the support. That's the bit that's missing, not the fans - who've turned out to and see/support their team - and it won't be the fans fault if we go down, either. If that happens, there will be a degree of bickering, but that's ongoing to some extent already and has been (as an arguable/arbitrary starting point) since Monk went. | | | |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:48 - Jan 14 with 1094 views | monmouth |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 16:26 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
Well that's good then.
At the end of the day we all wants what's best for the club we all love. We will all have different views on how that can be achieved for sure.
I just hope that those running things up their game, the coaching staff and AC, the players and fans will do all we can during matches I'm 100% sure. But the board have to give it right go, create the capability and the means to move forward. Time to hand the reigns to a manager with a vision (similar if not the same as ours), a project. Much in the same wash as Martinez. Rather than we dictate that in total to the new manager. That way we will add to what we have, we will grow again as a club. More feathers to the cap as it were. An example is Sousa. Not that Im calling him out to come back, although I wouldn't say no. But what I mean is.... The way he taught us tactics and importantly how to defend. He took martinezs team and added to it. Alright we suffered up front but IMO at that time it was exactly what we needed. Especially after losing Jason Scotland and jordi Gomez from the squad. What he achieved was pretty good IMO given the way RM left and ripped the heart out. [Post edited 14 Jan 2016 16:30]
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We were effectively playing Sousaball last year with better chance conversion I thought. I'd hoped we'd build on the attacking side - especially when we took Beattie on. That went well. All members of the Board need to butt out from the playing side. They can set overall strategy and targets with the manager, but all day to day interference, (for example watching training on a regular basis stuff) needs to stop. manager needs to have a veto on player aquisition too, even if identification and selection of players is a collaborative exercise based on the agreed set strategy. | |
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| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 17:01 - Jan 14 with 1085 views | awayjack |
| To all the moaners, nay-sayers and on 15:42 - Jan 14 by costalotta |
To be honest I haven't posted much over the years. Not really felt the need to plus my work can sometimes make it difficult. But I do feel quite strongly about the current state of affairs. In my view could have all been avoided, or at least mitigated against if you know what I mean. I hold no grudges against anyone and always try to say it as I see it.
With respect to the board... They've received praise when they've deserved it and rightly so. They should also receive critism, when they deserve it. Like now. The trust is a difficult one in that I'm it really sure anymore what their role is. I know what I'd like it to be, or at least be trying to do. But they neither are or seem to be doing anything other than staying very quiet. Things too cushy maybe? I don't know.
A couple of seasons ago I along with someone else was invited as guests of the directors to attend a game. I'm not going to say what game but was one of the exciting ones we've had since being in the EPL. I was made to feel very welcom and got to meet All the directors of the swans and the opposing team. It was a fantastic day and an eye opener. However, it was a bit OOO in extravagance, it was then that started me thinking about the way we're run, the relatianships between the directors, the supporters director and his role. The views of certain ppl on that day and the way they spoke of the team and manager then. Not all mind, just one or two. I have to be honest here and say that I didn't like the one director behaved and spoke and wouldn't repeat for obvious reasons. |
Good post. In my opinion our board, just like our players and are there to help the club perform to our best and should be accountable. They’ve done a brilliant job and deserve huge credit and the financial rewards they received. However they do seem to have become more and more detached from the fans in recent years and somehow beyond criticism.
People do seem to confuse the support the club with support for board members. I support the club full stop. No conditions or timelines. However individual board members should be judged on performance.
There have been no real changes to our board in a decade and just like we need new players with higher skill levels in the premier league, the board seem to be struggling with the extra challenges of running a £100m+ business. I’m not suggesting HJ should go but focus on his role as Chairman and relinquish some of his responsibilities as effective CEO and DoF to people with more expertise and time to focus. I'm convinced a dedicated CEO would have delivered better financial performance and dedicated DoF better results in the transfer market and on the pitch. It would also allow some succession planning, something that we don't seem to plan for. Perhaps it's too late as again you wouldn't need this for a £20m championship business, but if we do manage to stay up we'll hopefully be stronger with lots of lessons learned. |  | | |
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