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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 00:17 - Jan 22 by Northernr
The reason Madsen gets (justifiable) stick is things like this, where he's jogging about, going through the motions, 10 yards behind the play while other players - in this case a kid we got for nothing from Yeovil - are busting a gut to run and close and tackle.
TBH for me it's not so much lack of tackling (though obviously I'd like to see it, and I don't think he should be excused it), because I don't think he was signed for that - it's the lack of stuff that I presumed that he was signed for - possession football, passes that unlock the opposition defence. Even when you're playing to hold on to a lead, there's a place for that stuff as part of controlling the game and stopping the other side from getting back in. If he can't do that either, then what's he for?
Admittedly only based on screening and highlights, I'm not seeing it, and I really don't get why it doesn't seem to bother him more. Without getting above ourselves, the Championship is higher profile than the Belgian top flight, we're a chance for him to make it big and he's running the risk of getting sent back to the same level as he was a year ago.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 01:14 - Jan 22 with 2212 views
I think the "signed from Yeovil" thing comes into it too.
Every minute he's on the pitch, Alfie Lloyd acts like his lottery numbers have just come up for him to be there.
Maybe in five years time he'll be in non-league and Madsen will be a Danish international, but I can't help feeling that Lloyd's attitude will take him as far as he can go while Madsen's could leave him well short of his potential. And that Alfie Lloyd will have more fun on the way however far he gets.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 01:33 - Jan 22 with 2137 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 00:17 - Jan 22 by Northernr
The reason Madsen gets (justifiable) stick is things like this, where he's jogging about, going through the motions, 10 yards behind the play while other players - in this case a kid we got for nothing from Yeovil - are busting a gut to run and close and tackle.
Okay, I'll bite. He plays the ball through for Lloyd. Wben Hull win the ball back he initially (and correctly) thinks Lloyd is closer to the ball to challenge for the ball and gestures for him to do so, while keeping his own position. Then when Lloyd doesn't, he challenges and is unlucky not to come away with the ball. I really don't think we should be slagging off our own players on such scant 'evidence'.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 06:35 - Jan 22 with 1889 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 02:55 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
Okay, I'll bite. He plays the ball through for Lloyd. Wben Hull win the ball back he initially (and correctly) thinks Lloyd is closer to the ball to challenge for the ball and gestures for him to do so, while keeping his own position. Then when Lloyd doesn't, he challenges and is unlucky not to come away with the ball. I really don't think we should be slagging off our own players on such scant 'evidence'.
With respect as it’s only a difference of opinion but ‘scant evidence’ has just blown my mind wide open.
Are we to ignore almost every other moment he’s been on the pitch that we’ve seen with our own eyes? And no one is slagging our players off either . It’s called criticism and as fans, we are entitled when players are not playing well . It’s part of being a footballer .
What’s the point of Clive doing a match report for example if he only talked about the positives? Blimey some weeks relatively recently it would have been a blank page .
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(No subject) (n/t) on 07:10 - Jan 22 with 1810 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 02:55 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
Okay, I'll bite. He plays the ball through for Lloyd. Wben Hull win the ball back he initially (and correctly) thinks Lloyd is closer to the ball to challenge for the ball and gestures for him to do so, while keeping his own position. Then when Lloyd doesn't, he challenges and is unlucky not to come away with the ball. I really don't think we should be slagging off our own players on such scant 'evidence'.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 07:58 - Jan 22 with 1726 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 02:55 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
Okay, I'll bite. He plays the ball through for Lloyd. Wben Hull win the ball back he initially (and correctly) thinks Lloyd is closer to the ball to challenge for the ball and gestures for him to do so, while keeping his own position. Then when Lloyd doesn't, he challenges and is unlucky not to come away with the ball. I really don't think we should be slagging off our own players on such scant 'evidence'.
Ok well it's a game of opinions and I obviously hold a different one here, but whatever your opinion it is incidents like that which get him the stick he gets rightly or wrongly. British football fans like to see you charging about, it's why Jamie Mackie was a hero.
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 02:55 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
Okay, I'll bite. He plays the ball through for Lloyd. Wben Hull win the ball back he initially (and correctly) thinks Lloyd is closer to the ball to challenge for the ball and gestures for him to do so, while keeping his own position. Then when Lloyd doesn't, he challenges and is unlucky not to come away with the ball. I really don't think we should be slagging off our own players on such scant 'evidence'.
Scant evidence???? Ive honestly never seen the bloke impose himself on a game! He just wanders about like he is on drugs. He is Casper The Ghost Mk 2.
AND WHEN I DREAM , I DREAM ABOUT YOU AND WHEN I SCREAM I SCREAM ABOUT YOU!!!!!
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 07:58 - Jan 22 by Northernr
Ok well it's a game of opinions and I obviously hold a different one here, but whatever your opinion it is incidents like that which get him the stick he gets rightly or wrongly. British football fans like to see you charging about, it's why Jamie Mackie was a hero.
It's not just British fans, either, is it Clive?
Attacking the ball is a key tenet of Cifuentes' Cryuffian model.
Earlier in the season, we were dreadful at it, attacking the ball in ones or twos, with some lads slacking. Madsen looks really bad now because most if not all of his team-mates have got their finger out.
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 07:58 - Jan 22 by Northernr
Ok well it's a game of opinions and I obviously hold a different one here, but whatever your opinion it is incidents like that which get him the stick he gets rightly or wrongly. British football fans like to see you charging about, it's why Jamie Mackie was a hero.
He's a different type of player though. Not every footballer charges around like a Yorkshire terrier on speed like Mackie, even in this era. I genuinely don't think he does too much wrong in that clip - he played the ball forward to Alfie in the first place and Alfie is closer to the ball when he loses it. I suppose you could argue he should have been busting a gut to get forward in support but we don't know what instructions Marti gave him in terms of holding his position. At this stage his reputation precedes him and people are expecting him to be ineffectual when he plays but I thought he did okay last night, made a few passes and cleared a few balls.
Obviously Morgan is the find of the season and Madsen is always going to be unfavourably compared with him, even if he's probably not the same type of player (as a former defender, Morgan seems far more suited to the role of a box-to-box midfielder).
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 08:44 - Jan 22 with 1509 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 08:44 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
He's a different type of player though. Not every footballer charges around like a Yorkshire terrier on speed like Mackie, even in this era. I genuinely don't think he does too much wrong in that clip - he played the ball forward to Alfie in the first place and Alfie is closer to the ball when he loses it. I suppose you could argue he should have been busting a gut to get forward in support but we don't know what instructions Marti gave him in terms of holding his position. At this stage his reputation precedes him and people are expecting him to be ineffectual when he plays but I thought he did okay last night, made a few passes and cleared a few balls.
Obviously Morgan is the find of the season and Madsen is always going to be unfavourably compared with him, even if he's probably not the same type of player (as a former defender, Morgan seems far more suited to the role of a box-to-box midfielder).
I'd agree that we can't judge him on that particlaur incident. As you say, we don't know what the instructions were at that stage of the game.
I think we can say, though, that so far this season his work-rate has been, shall we say, somewhat erratic?
"The opposite of love, after all, is not hate, but indifference."
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 09:27 - Jan 22 by TheChef
Er.
Right.
Well...
Does this mean I have to do the Wednesday fred as well?
Yes!,
Not a great performance first half, but improved with the first two subs. Lloyd always gives everything and puts himself about, Saito took his goal very well, so pleased for him, always plays with a smile on his face. Must also give a shout out to Morgan Fox, honestly thought he was finished after the pompey game, I don’t mind admitting I was so wrong. MOM for me last night? Great squad rotation from Marti again, would start Saito Saturday and giver Chair a rest! How nice is it looking down! Cmon U Rs
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 09:46 - Jan 22 with 1230 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 08:44 - Jan 22 by nix
He was only just 18 when he arrived and still raw. He just feels like we've developed him. Unlike Morgan who arrived fully formed.
Actually, we have developed Morgan since he's been with us. He played further back at Spurs, CM/CDM and also at CB. He was described as a CDM when we signed him. Now Marti has him playing in that 8/10 role, and very effectively too.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 11:41 - Jan 22 with 1066 views
watching live on sky plus , qpr were good, rarely troubled until hull mishit a shot and scored. we had energy , control, closed down and it was a very good away performance. nardi never troubled bar an early save . solid all round performance. only concern for me is Madsen, a lamp post is more mobile imo
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 12:21 - Jan 22 with 982 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 08:32 - Jan 22 by connell10
Scant evidence???? Ive honestly never seen the bloke impose himself on a game! He just wanders about like he is on drugs. He is Casper The Ghost Mk 2.
Our play-off final Bank Holiday Monday against Leeds goes to penalties. Madsen, on as a late sub, steps up to fire the deciding penalty into the net...
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 12:27 - Jan 22 with 944 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 12:21 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
Our play-off final Bank Holiday Monday against Leeds goes to penalties. Madsen, on as a late sub, steps up to fire the deciding penalty into the net...
I'll take that.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 12:36 - Jan 22 with 879 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 02:55 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
Okay, I'll bite. He plays the ball through for Lloyd. Wben Hull win the ball back he initially (and correctly) thinks Lloyd is closer to the ball to challenge for the ball and gestures for him to do so, while keeping his own position. Then when Lloyd doesn't, he challenges and is unlucky not to come away with the ball. I really don't think we should be slagging off our own players on such scant 'evidence'.
Got to agree. It's a lack of communication, nothing more, that is being held up to have a go at Madsen.
Maybe if Lloyd had controlled the pass better, maybe Lloyd should have knocked it past the defender rather than trying to dribble past and losing it. There was a lot wrong from both players in that clip, to pick out Madsen only is ridiculous.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 12:58 - Jan 22 with 802 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 07:02 - Jan 22 by mart_Goblin
With respect as it’s only a difference of opinion but ‘scant evidence’ has just blown my mind wide open.
Are we to ignore almost every other moment he’s been on the pitch that we’ve seen with our own eyes? And no one is slagging our players off either . It’s called criticism and as fans, we are entitled when players are not playing well . It’s part of being a footballer .
What’s the point of Clive doing a match report for example if he only talked about the positives? Blimey some weeks relatively recently it would have been a blank page .
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I don't believe that it is a moratorium on criticising any players, more a combination of some fans absolutely need to have a scapegoat in the team no matter what and a sense that rising from the bottom of the table to a few points off the play offs in a couple of months is a staggering turnaround and should, no matter how we got there and who played well/ badly etc. is almost insignificant in those circumstances. I could understand the digging out if we had gone from a few points from the play offs to rock bottom but we have a team on the up, a terrific team spirit among ALL the players and going to games is no longer a dreaded event. Imagine if Madsen was to read this board; is it likely to make him feel good and spur him on or just make him retreat further into his shell? I'm half expecting the most common response to be "I don't give a flying one what he thinks, he's sh!t" Even now, after such a great performance from Paal last night there are still comments of "he was alright" but players like Field & Dunne get a pass for any errors they make. Please can we get behind all the players and do away with scapegoating them? There is ALWAYS going to be a player who is the worst in the squad but that doesn't mean we can't support him whilst he is wearing the hoops! It really does take a shine off the current form and the reaction to the Leicester defeat really does emphasise almost innate compulsion to lay into the team or players at any setback. The atmosphere at the games is so much different to the vibe on here, the fans get behind the players and now we are seeing dividends from that support.
The grass is always greener.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 13:05 - Jan 22 with 774 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 12:58 - Jan 22 by Esox_Lucius
I don't believe that it is a moratorium on criticising any players, more a combination of some fans absolutely need to have a scapegoat in the team no matter what and a sense that rising from the bottom of the table to a few points off the play offs in a couple of months is a staggering turnaround and should, no matter how we got there and who played well/ badly etc. is almost insignificant in those circumstances. I could understand the digging out if we had gone from a few points from the play offs to rock bottom but we have a team on the up, a terrific team spirit among ALL the players and going to games is no longer a dreaded event. Imagine if Madsen was to read this board; is it likely to make him feel good and spur him on or just make him retreat further into his shell? I'm half expecting the most common response to be "I don't give a flying one what he thinks, he's sh!t" Even now, after such a great performance from Paal last night there are still comments of "he was alright" but players like Field & Dunne get a pass for any errors they make. Please can we get behind all the players and do away with scapegoating them? There is ALWAYS going to be a player who is the worst in the squad but that doesn't mean we can't support him whilst he is wearing the hoops! It really does take a shine off the current form and the reaction to the Leicester defeat really does emphasise almost innate compulsion to lay into the team or players at any setback. The atmosphere at the games is so much different to the vibe on here, the fans get behind the players and now we are seeing dividends from that support.
👍👍. Don't forget the manager getting grief after the Leicester game, it's not just the players/team.
The stadium on Saturday will be rocking, and every player will be cheered on.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 13:10 - Jan 22 with 749 views
👍👍. Don't forget the manager getting grief after the Leicester game, it's not just the players/team.
The stadium on Saturday will be rocking, and every player will be cheered on.
Which is how it should be. This is the most teamlike team we have had for many a year and it deserves better than some of the comments directed at the players.
The grass is always greener.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 13:52 - Jan 22 with 686 views
Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 08:44 - Jan 22 by Wegerles_Stairs
He's a different type of player though. Not every footballer charges around like a Yorkshire terrier on speed like Mackie, even in this era. I genuinely don't think he does too much wrong in that clip - he played the ball forward to Alfie in the first place and Alfie is closer to the ball when he loses it. I suppose you could argue he should have been busting a gut to get forward in support but we don't know what instructions Marti gave him in terms of holding his position. At this stage his reputation precedes him and people are expecting him to be ineffectual when he plays but I thought he did okay last night, made a few passes and cleared a few balls.
Obviously Morgan is the find of the season and Madsen is always going to be unfavourably compared with him, even if he's probably not the same type of player (as a former defender, Morgan seems far more suited to the role of a box-to-box midfielder).
I agree that Madsen doesn't do too much wrong in that clip. If anything, Lloyd was better placed to reclaim the loose ball. However, that doesn't detract from the fact that overall Madsen has been a disappointment and needs to pull his socks up.
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Hull Is For Heroes match fred on 17:08 - Jan 22 with 538 views
Thought Hull gave us a tough game but despite all the travel in 4 days ,the poor pitch and the worry of being down to our last 2 CB's we fought our way to 3 more points. Great to see Saito get his well deserved goal for us and what a goal. Edwards was excellent, Paal very good, great corners, Fox, Dunne, Lloyd and Smith all good. Madsen did well in his defensive role when he came on.
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