| Clive meeting with Nourry 15:37 - Jan 14 with 19367 views | fournil |
Will it be a Patreon thing? If it is, can you give us any tidbits whilst we wait? Was it productive? |  | | |  |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:40 - Jan 17 with 1681 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:36 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Yes, and I just agreed with you in my previous post. It's an interesting discussion. |
Indeed. Rest assured I'm not arguing with you, I'm taking part in said discussion. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:42 - Jan 17 with 1677 views | kensalriser |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 13:38 - Jan 17 by nix |
I agree. I just don't think Hayden is the second coming. Yes we need experience but not at the cost of stuffing FFP for the next two years. Has to be a balance. |
That Hayden has gone to Portsmouth is probably an indication of how he's regarded by Championship clubs. |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:44 - Jan 17 with 1662 views | Rsole |
Violent agreement and alignment - hussar !
Christian, your future role at the Kissinger Foundation awaits. |  |
| Those possessed by devils, try and keep them under control a bit, can't you ?
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 17:24 - Jan 17 with 1542 views | Andybrat |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 23:41 - Jan 16 by Hugey |
Thanks for the write up.
As usual with Nourry, I find myself agreeing with, or at least seeing the sense in, a lot of what he says, while wincing slightly at the way he says it.
And I can't believe he hasn't been advised to admit he got the comms thing wrong. Would have helped him a lot IMO. As a fan base we are very forgiving of players if we can see honesty and effort (just look at the positive reaction to Alfie's contract). I'm sure the same would be true of the CEO. Just be honest. |
Not read the whole thread but I would rather be where we are now with Nourry at the helm than what came before. Yes we can go on about his communication style and being a posh boy ( what relevance that is I don’t know) but this week with who has extended their contracts makes me think I don’t care about that. Be careful what we wish for, remembering Clive’s Leicester write up. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 17:49 - Jan 17 with 1497 views | Benny_the_Ball |
My thoughts for what it's worth.
Training ground developments
It makes perfect sense to maximise our proximity to Heathrow by welcoming visiting teams in need of a temporary training ground. Whilst the topic of a new stadium wasn't discussed in this meeting, there's still a small part of me that suspects that Heston is one alternative being considered should redeveloping Loftus Road prove unviable. The caveat is I have no concrete evidence to support this notion, it's just a gut feel.
Academy
If our higher London costs brings us to the financial threshold regardless and there our tangible benefits to be had then it's worth considering a move to Cat 1 status.
Player development
I agree with the idea of challenging young players to achieve more earlier. This should hopefully result in more young players like Morgan, Kolli and Llloyd breaking through, and fewer older players who are clearly not going to make it remaining on the books.
Injury list
I'm less convinced of Nourry's arguments here. The board appears to have got its knickers in a twist over communications strategy. Whilst its nice to see the club opening up a little of late, reporting still feels somewhat guarded and inconsistent. Christian's assertion that we had no injuries previously to report is palpably untrue and misguided as it only serves to heighten scepticism. A missed opportunity, I feel, to build rapport with the fans by showing some humility and honesty when the board get it wrong.
As for Ben Williams working remotely, I'm struggling to see how this works well for QPR. The US is an unforgiving place to work and Ben's focus will be on the Brooklyn Nets. It's not lost on folk that injuries have piled up since he left. Time will tell whether this is a mere coincidence or not. In the meantime, lessons need to be learned and improvements implemented if this way of operating is to continue.
Recruitment
Look, recruitment is difficult and many clubs get it wrong. Add to the mix a young, inexperienced CEO thrown into the deep end and it's easy to see how mistakes could be made. That all being said, the summer recruitment was unbalanced. Now whilst I don't expect our entire squad to be shaped in one window, pointing the finger at Marti, Xavi and Andy rather feels like Christian is passing the buck. I like to see a CEO take accountability, particularly one who has driven a shift towards data-driven recruitment.
Players out of contract
Whilst it's pleasing to see good players renew their contracts, the club still finds a way to blemish great news through a questionable communications strategy. We may not all be as verbally accomplished as Christian but the fans are far from stupid. The contract announcements of JCS, Dembele, and Marti were clearly saved for the fans forum. Equally it is my belief that the contract announcements of Morgan, Lloyd and Kolli were saved for January. This enables Nourry to claim that significant business was done in the January transfer window when in reality these players were free to extend at any time. That all being said, this is a minor gripe. The main thing is that these players have agreed to extend their contracts and Christian deserves credit for getting these deals over the line. Hopefully, Jimmy follows suit.
Not revealing Contract lengths
Whilst I'm not a major fan of the practice of withholding contract lengths (mainly because I'm nosey), I'm a little more sympathetic than some for strategic reasons. However, a better explanation than "Sheff Wed, Preston, Plymouth, Luton and Millwall do it" is required to garner understanding from fans. It was refreshing to hear Nourry apologise for wrongly saying Portsmouth and Sheff Utd also do this albeit he then doubled down on the practice.
Whilst some mistakes have been made, overall I feel that the club is moving in the right direction. How much of this is down to Marti's presence is difficult to gauge. With respect to Nourry, softer aspects like communications could be handled better. It feels strange to say this given Christian's command of English but a successful communications strategy is more than using fancy words. Scope, audience, technique, timing and honesty are all key components. The man himself stated "I want people to feel communicated with". Mastering all facets of communications will go some way to helping Nourry achieve this and build trust with the fans. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:20 - Jan 17 with 1390 views | numptydumpty |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 17:49 - Jan 17 by Benny_the_Ball |
My thoughts for what it's worth.
Training ground developments
It makes perfect sense to maximise our proximity to Heathrow by welcoming visiting teams in need of a temporary training ground. Whilst the topic of a new stadium wasn't discussed in this meeting, there's still a small part of me that suspects that Heston is one alternative being considered should redeveloping Loftus Road prove unviable. The caveat is I have no concrete evidence to support this notion, it's just a gut feel.
Academy
If our higher London costs brings us to the financial threshold regardless and there our tangible benefits to be had then it's worth considering a move to Cat 1 status.
Player development
I agree with the idea of challenging young players to achieve more earlier. This should hopefully result in more young players like Morgan, Kolli and Llloyd breaking through, and fewer older players who are clearly not going to make it remaining on the books.
Injury list
I'm less convinced of Nourry's arguments here. The board appears to have got its knickers in a twist over communications strategy. Whilst its nice to see the club opening up a little of late, reporting still feels somewhat guarded and inconsistent. Christian's assertion that we had no injuries previously to report is palpably untrue and misguided as it only serves to heighten scepticism. A missed opportunity, I feel, to build rapport with the fans by showing some humility and honesty when the board get it wrong.
As for Ben Williams working remotely, I'm struggling to see how this works well for QPR. The US is an unforgiving place to work and Ben's focus will be on the Brooklyn Nets. It's not lost on folk that injuries have piled up since he left. Time will tell whether this is a mere coincidence or not. In the meantime, lessons need to be learned and improvements implemented if this way of operating is to continue.
Recruitment
Look, recruitment is difficult and many clubs get it wrong. Add to the mix a young, inexperienced CEO thrown into the deep end and it's easy to see how mistakes could be made. That all being said, the summer recruitment was unbalanced. Now whilst I don't expect our entire squad to be shaped in one window, pointing the finger at Marti, Xavi and Andy rather feels like Christian is passing the buck. I like to see a CEO take accountability, particularly one who has driven a shift towards data-driven recruitment.
Players out of contract
Whilst it's pleasing to see good players renew their contracts, the club still finds a way to blemish great news through a questionable communications strategy. We may not all be as verbally accomplished as Christian but the fans are far from stupid. The contract announcements of JCS, Dembele, and Marti were clearly saved for the fans forum. Equally it is my belief that the contract announcements of Morgan, Lloyd and Kolli were saved for January. This enables Nourry to claim that significant business was done in the January transfer window when in reality these players were free to extend at any time. That all being said, this is a minor gripe. The main thing is that these players have agreed to extend their contracts and Christian deserves credit for getting these deals over the line. Hopefully, Jimmy follows suit.
Not revealing Contract lengths
Whilst I'm not a major fan of the practice of withholding contract lengths (mainly because I'm nosey), I'm a little more sympathetic than some for strategic reasons. However, a better explanation than "Sheff Wed, Preston, Plymouth, Luton and Millwall do it" is required to garner understanding from fans. It was refreshing to hear Nourry apologise for wrongly saying Portsmouth and Sheff Utd also do this albeit he then doubled down on the practice.
Whilst some mistakes have been made, overall I feel that the club is moving in the right direction. How much of this is down to Marti's presence is difficult to gauge. With respect to Nourry, softer aspects like communications could be handled better. It feels strange to say this given Christian's command of English but a successful communications strategy is more than using fancy words. Scope, audience, technique, timing and honesty are all key components. The man himself stated "I want people to feel communicated with". Mastering all facets of communications will go some way to helping Nourry achieve this and build trust with the fans. |
Jimmy's new deal will be announced on deadline day.
To paper over, no other incomings.
I believe it's the Nourry way of doing things
We can be cynical, but it's a PR technique that seems to work !! |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:34 - Jan 17 with 1359 views | daveB |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:20 - Jan 17 by numptydumpty |
Jimmy's new deal will be announced on deadline day.
To paper over, no other incomings.
I believe it's the Nourry way of doing things
We can be cynical, but it's a PR technique that seems to work !! |
The drip feeding of good news is quite a clever move on his part |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:05 - Jan 17 with 1257 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:34 - Jan 17 by daveB |
The drip feeding of good news is quite a clever move on his part |
Why not cut the guy a bit of slack and see what he can do rather than jumping on everything he does do and twisting it into something twisted? Just a thought. |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:06 - Jan 17 with 1285 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:20 - Jan 17 by numptydumpty |
Jimmy's new deal will be announced on deadline day.
To paper over, no other incomings.
I believe it's the Nourry way of doing things
We can be cynical, but it's a PR technique that seems to work !! |
I'm not convinced we need any new signings. Hanging around mid table this season whilst building a competitive team based on the current squad and what is coming through doesn't sound ambitious but, IMO, is better than dropping down a division to rebuild. |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:12 - Jan 17 with 1262 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:06 - Jan 17 by Esox_Lucius |
I'm not convinced we need any new signings. Hanging around mid table this season whilst building a competitive team based on the current squad and what is coming through doesn't sound ambitious but, IMO, is better than dropping down a division to rebuild. |
I'm inclined to agree as, though not impossible, we'd need a remarkable turn of events to make the play-offs or get relegated. Consolidate this season and then look to build further in the summer. My only concern with this plan is whether it's ambitious enough to retain Marti. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:19 - Jan 17 with 1221 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:12 - Jan 17 by Benny_the_Ball |
I'm inclined to agree as, though not impossible, we'd need a remarkable turn of events to make the play-offs or get relegated. Consolidate this season and then look to build further in the summer. My only concern with this plan is whether it's ambitious enough to retain Marti. |
The boot is likely to be on the other foot, surely - as at any other football club, the board/CEO will look at Marti's performance at the end of the season, and where we finish, and take a view going forwards.
That said, I don't think we know how long his renewed contract is either, do we? | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 21:00 - Jan 17 with 1186 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:19 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
The boot is likely to be on the other foot, surely - as at any other football club, the board/CEO will look at Marti's performance at the end of the season, and where we finish, and take a view going forwards.
That said, I don't think we know how long his renewed contract is either, do we? |
We don't know how long any of them have extended their contracts for. That's one of the bug bears covered in the meeting.
As for Marti, his stock is currently high, high enough to warrant a contract extension. This is an indicator that the board are happy with his performance and recent results will only have bolstered that. If Marti continues to deliver on limited resources then he's likely to attract suitors in the summer, regardless of what the club has planned. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 21:51 - Jan 17 with 1120 views | Gus_iom |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:06 - Jan 17 by Esox_Lucius |
I'm not convinced we need any new signings. Hanging around mid table this season whilst building a competitive team based on the current squad and what is coming through doesn't sound ambitious but, IMO, is better than dropping down a division to rebuild. |
We need to give Santos some game time, as Dunne's replacement.
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 16:41 - Jan 18 with 870 views | stevenagehoop |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:06 - Jan 17 by Esox_Lucius |
I'm not convinced we need any new signings. Hanging around mid table this season whilst building a competitive team based on the current squad and what is coming through doesn't sound ambitious but, IMO, is better than dropping down a division to rebuild. |
Still think we need to bring in a striker. Frey gets injured and too much will be put on the youngsters shoulders.They both have potential but it is not out of the question that two out of the three could be injured at the same time and we are still not safe. |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 17:16 - Jan 18 with 751 views | numptydumpty |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 16:41 - Jan 18 by stevenagehoop |
Still think we need to bring in a striker. Frey gets injured and too much will be put on the youngsters shoulders.They both have potential but it is not out of the question that two out of the three could be injured at the same time and we are still not safe. |
We are safe now.
Cant see a complete collapse which is what that requires.
Ie Only need 3 or 4 wins and handful of draws out of 19 games remaining.
Well that's rock bottom form after top 2 form for the last 12 games.
Relegation unbelievably is not possible at all now !!!
If it happens , know in general, we are a pessimistic bunch, even QPR can't create that calamity surely !! | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 18:03 - Jan 18 with 655 views | ngbqpr |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 15:42 - Jan 17 by kensalriser |
That Hayden has gone to Portsmouth is probably an indication of how he's regarded by Championship clubs. |
....while how he's regarded by Mari is indicated by Field / Colback starting ahead of him for the last few games last season.
He certainly played his part in our turn round, but I don't see him as what we need now tbh. Field is only 3 years younger - come the start of next season, he'll be 27 and can surely play the role of the experienced head in that part of the field (no pun intended). |  |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 18:51 - Jan 18 with 566 views | dmm |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 17:16 - Jan 18 by numptydumpty |
We are safe now.
Cant see a complete collapse which is what that requires.
Ie Only need 3 or 4 wins and handful of draws out of 19 games remaining.
Well that's rock bottom form after top 2 form for the last 12 games.
Relegation unbelievably is not possible at all now !!!
If it happens , know in general, we are a pessimistic bunch, even QPR can't create that calamity surely !! |
We're not 'safe'. It may feel unlikely we'd plummet down the league now but we need another 12 to 15 points to ensure we keep our place in the Championship. |  | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 18:51 - Jan 18 with 557 views | HAYESBOY |
Just to add, Noury is at the U18 game today. |  |
| Smells like a trout farm in here |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:08 - Jan 18 with 497 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 16:41 - Jan 18 by stevenagehoop |
Still think we need to bring in a striker. Frey gets injured and too much will be put on the youngsters shoulders.They both have potential but it is not out of the question that two out of the three could be injured at the same time and we are still not safe. |
Charlie Kelman? I wouldn't write him off just yet. | |
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| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:12 - Jan 18 with 477 views | daveB |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 20:05 - Jan 17 by stainrods_elbow |
Why not cut the guy a bit of slack and see what he can do rather than jumping on everything he does do and twisting it into something twisted? Just a thought. |
I'm not sure if my post translated differently but I said what he was doing was quite clever, wasn't meant as a dig at him at all | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:14 - Jan 18 with 462 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 18:51 - Jan 18 by HAYESBOY |
Just to add, Noury is at the U18 game today. |
Fair play. You talk the talk about 17/18yo being cut if you're not around the first team, you better walk the walk. | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:33 - Jan 18 with 413 views | dutch |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 19:14 - Jan 18 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Fair play. You talk the talk about 17/18yo being cut if you're not around the first team, you better walk the walk. |
What does that mean? | | | |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 21:06 - Jan 18 with 208 views | numptydumpty |
| Clive meeting with Nourry on 18:51 - Jan 18 by dmm |
We're not 'safe'. It may feel unlikely we'd plummet down the league now but we need another 12 to 15 points to ensure we keep our place in the Championship. |
So from playing like the league leaders for 12 games we will have to play like the worst team in championship history for the next 19 to be relegated.
If you believe that could happen - we'll it won't trust me.
We are safe. | |
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