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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 16:04 9 Jan 2025
I think your last sentence sums this argument up. It's a hotter public topic than the other domains for one reason, it's got nothing to do with the victims who should be front and centre. All other aspects covered in the inquiry have more victims, over a larger geographical area by perpertrators who are harder to spot and victims from all walks of life.
There are far more victims and potential victims to the other sources of abuse. My daughter will never be abused by an Asian gang but she is at risk on the internet or in school for example. Many others are at risk in places of worship or residential schools.
Extreme sexual offences are happening right now on the internet, with younger children and more men.
Vulnerable kids are being used to traffic drugs within 3 miles of my front door.
Young white girls are being exploited by people in authority everywhere. I've seen it myself, you probably have too.
Cover ups have occured in all other organisations to - just look at the reasons for the Archbishop of Cantebury's resignation.
The rape gangs are visible because people in certain areas of the media and politics want them to be - it's not about protecting children which is all that really matters.
Fundamentally though the vast majority of the gang abuse has happened in a small corner of a small country. Encompassing maybe 4 or 5 local authorities, wouldn't it be better (for the victims) for any inquiry to focus on those small areas where local problems, service and the people involved can be pinpointed rather than a generic high level look at the heads of service whoch is what a national inquiry would do? |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 11:26 9 Jan 2025
The already published report focussed on abuse in these broad areas:-
Migration
Custody
Religious settings.
The internet
Local Authority care
Residential schools
Outsdie the Uk.
Westminster.
Organised Gangs.
If this debate was focussed on a national inquiry for each individually then I'm fine with that. But I don't see why if we're to have one it should be for organised gangs? It's also important that many of the victims want a local inquiry to point the finger directly at those responsible for their situation not in the broad terms a national inquiry would do - and already has done.
If someone can justify priortising gangs over the other sources of abuse please do so.
As I've said before if Musk wants to get involved and actually protect children he could be very useful in gaining a huge understanding on one of those topics. He clearly doesn't. He's not interested in protecting a single child on this planet, he could do so easily right now. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 06:34 9 Jan 2025
No. Obviously not. There's been an investigation on all forms of child abuse who's results were published just 16 months ago.
There are obviously far bigger issues regarding child abuse than grooming gangs. The stats prove that.
If you really want to protect children a national inquiry in to grooming gangs is dealing with a very small part of a massive problem. And also probably not the most effective. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 20:12 8 Jan 2025
They're fair points, but the grooming gangs abuse constitutes relatively few victims in localised areas. I don't think a national inquiry focusing on that will get the results people think, especially when those results are already known.
If you consider the other areas the 2022 inquiry covered including schools, children in care and abuse in religious organisations the victims are far more numerous, come from all walks of life and could be anywhere in the UK. Surely any one of those would be more worthy of a full national inquiry?
If any source of abuse is worth an inquiry then internet grooming is that. If Elon Musk could put his dog whistle down for a bit and actually wanted to protect children he could make a real difference in that area. |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 15:16 8 Jan 2025
There was one that published in 2022. It wasn't specifically on grooming gangs but did include them aswell as care homes, the Church and other settings. The root cause is the same people in a position of power taking advantage of vulnerable children / young people. The recommendations from that haven't been enacted yet.
I'm not saying we shouldn't have another but what will it really achieve? |
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Reply | Oldham grooming gangs: Government blocks national inquiry
at 19:11 7 Jan 2025
It almost certainly isn't the best place to get answers. As mentioned earlier just 3% of of abuse is down to Asian grooming gangs.
The actual problem is men, or groups of men using a position of perceived authority to abuse vulnerable girls. It's been happening for centuries. It happened to girls I was in school with that I still know to this day. One lost her virginity, as a 14 year old, to a soldier in his mid twenties. The soldier in question still lives in the area. He's a paedophile.
No national inquiry is going to stop that. It's a societal problem. Caused by men.
The main place this happens nowadays is the internet, if only Elon Musk got his own social media house in order before spouting nonsense he doesn't understand.
The comments this weekend made by Kendrick and Badenoch this weekend are shocking. We're going to hell in a handcart. |
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Reply | Here we go again folks
at 13:12 6 Jan 2025
Of course it is. Covid wasn't the first pandemic mind.
If you haven't been fooled by click bait why have you started a thread comparing a cold to a global pandemic? Be honest, you hadn't even read the article. |
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Reply | Here we go again folks
at 12:46 6 Jan 2025
Are we?
“The diseases appear to be less severe and spread with a smaller scale compared to the previous year,”
"officials said there is no need for panic as HMPV is “like any other respiratory virus”."
You've been fooled by click bait. |
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Reply | Here we go again folks
at 08:09 6 Jan 2025
I didn't.
But if you don't get fooled by onbvious click bait you'll understand that this is nothing more than an outbreak of a mild cold. |
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Reply | Here we go again folks
at 07:49 6 Jan 2025
Wow. Thanks for the warning. I'm off to clear Aldi's shelves of toilet paper. |
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Reply | Blair, immigration and what official documents show
at 20:01 31 Dec 2024
I think it does matter. In the early 2000's any EU resident could come here and do any job and claim related benefits, they were basically considered to be UK citizens. That was nuts.
Nowadays they either need permission to come here or have come here illegally. There are a number of reasons for this and all can be easily restricted or resolved.
They've probably been sold a patsy by people smuggling gangs and then given opportunity to hide or not be processed but that's down to our elected morons. |
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Reply | Blair, immigration and what official documents show
at 15:04 31 Dec 2024
The current immigrants are a completely different demographic, and our economy is different.
Open borders across Europe didn't help but neither did the arrogance of the Johhnson administration in dealing with Merkel / Macron, we needed to keep them on side we didn't and they decided not to cooperate.
Students are being encouraged to come here becasue they bring a fortune, care workers are needed becasue we don't have our own and that's before you consider the illegal workers.
Blair's policy allowed people to work here legally they can't now (as easily) so they've gone back to Europe. Now we have 5 barber shops in every high street, a similar number of nail bars, hundreds of take aways (and deliveroo/just eat riders), a car wash on most street corners, Uber taxi drivers from all around the place - these have been allowed to open and operate with impunity and without the border force / HMRC resources to inspect them. Close them down and the illegals will follow the Poles out of the country.
If everyone who is considering voting reform stopped using these services it would also have a noticeable effect.
Immigrants want to get rich, at least relatively, they won't do that on benefits. |
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Reply | Blair, immigration and what official documents show
at 14:49 31 Dec 2024
Very few I would have thought. There may be a few post grads claiming child benefit but not many. Ultimately they're supporting the biggest employer in the city, and many are working. In my experience the only ones who don't work are the most well off Chinese and Korean students
22,000 may have arrived but over 10,000 have been deported, a big increase on the last government.
They aren't living in council properties, at least legally, a single male has virtually no chance of any form of council accomadation no matter where they originally came from. The Students, pretty much all of them live in student accomadation. I'd guess the illegal workers all live in illegal or overoccupied HMO's.
The biggest problem is asylum seekers, which is exactly why they need to be processed and deported if possible and not considered genuine refugees. We are now doing that. We legally have to provide them with accomadation - but they get very little else. Realistically we can't have them living on the streets, the place would be a ghetto. Stopping them getting here would be usefull too - again the current government are getting somewhere with that too. |
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Reply | Blair, immigration and what official documents show
at 09:07 31 Dec 2024
The Blair government allowing completely free movement of people at that time, particularly as one of very few EU countries to do so was a mistake, but I don't think it is related to the current issues that we see with unsustainble new migration figures.
Back in the 2000's most immigrants were skilled or semi skilled Eastern Europeans who have subsequently gone back home.
Nowadays we have a huge increase in foreign students because universities rely on them to survive, refugees and asylum seekers due to unprecedented global insecurity for which there has been a huge backlog in processing and an inability or unwillingness to stop them arriving, a huge deficit in a native workforce for various reasons whilst the gig economy has exploded and the departments responsible for ensuring workers are legally employed has seen substantial cuts but increased workload.
All against the backdrop of a huge cut in public spending and services.
We're in a far greater mess now than in the early 2000's. |
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