| Minimum Unit Pricing 15:03 - Sep 10 with 3563 views | Dr_Winston |
Another disastrous policy implemented in Scotland and slavishly copied by the Welsh Govt without even the slightest bit of evidence that it was achieving anything.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cvg5233gn67o
Now they're taking a story like this, which in any sensible society should be a reason to knock the whole stupid nonsense on the head, and doubling down. |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 14:52 - Jan 16 with 877 views | Luther27 |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 22:10 - Jan 15 by Dr_Winston |
I've got no great love for Farage and Reform, but come the next Welsh Govt elections, if it looks likely that they can do some serious damage to the cretins currently in charge I might just have to consider a protest vote in their favour.
Wales can't go on with the kind of hectoring, smug, self satisfied, incompetent, arrogant useless Government it's had since 1999. I love the place, but if these people remain in charge there's going to be nothing left. |
It seems every day those muppets come out with yet another wizard wheeze to garner votes from the obedient masses this being the latest.
I very much look forward to the hand wringing enquiries when in ‘26 they are right royally shafted at the ballot box. |  | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:14 - Jan 16 with 830 views | raynor94 |
I will certainly voting to give this so called Welsh government a bloody nose.
Surely people are not going to vote again for this shambles of a party, who have done their best to ruin Wales |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 16:18 - Jan 16 with 779 views | onehunglow |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 15:14 - Jan 16 by raynor94 |
I will certainly voting to give this so called Welsh government a bloody nose.
Surely people are not going to vote again for this shambles of a party, who have done their best to ruin Wales |
Winston and I have clashed many times over alcohol/ pubs and I am in an apparent minority ,not that that bothers me at all,that can see some worth in this
However,what we should be addressing is our appalling drinking culture whixh sees alcohol as somehow essential to a good game,night out,wedding,christening ,funeral ,holiday . From cradle to grave really, fuelled by alcohol
Why do so many see the need to get rat-arsed when it’s clear it does yiu no good at all.
Why do we cry when pubs close ,seeing as we have had pubs on every corner in working class towns to ensure the “ working man” sees his wages washed away .
It’s a big problem and minimum price won’t solve it . | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 17:38 - Jan 16 with 734 views | SullutaCreturned |
Right then so adding things up, 2+2 probably equals 5 but...
Alcohol theft has risen.
People are crossing the border for cheaper beer.
Does that point to a policy that works, I'm not sure.
From another angle, we have the tourist tax, more expensive alcohol and travelling through Wales is difficult because of poor roads. There's this,
dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-city-named-worst-place-30784150
So it seems like the Senedd isn't doing a great job of making Wales a good place to visit. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 18:56 - Jan 16 with 702 views | onehunglow |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 17:38 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Right then so adding things up, 2+2 probably equals 5 but...
Alcohol theft has risen.
People are crossing the border for cheaper beer.
Does that point to a policy that works, I'm not sure.
From another angle, we have the tourist tax, more expensive alcohol and travelling through Wales is difficult because of poor roads. There's this,
dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/welsh-city-named-worst-place-30784150
So it seems like the Senedd isn't doing a great job of making Wales a good place to visit. |
You’ve made my point
Cat
Why WHY are folk so dependent on alcohol | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:51 - Jan 16 with 673 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 18:56 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
You’ve made my point
Cat
Why WHY are folk so dependent on alcohol |
Well many reasons though younger people aren't drinking as much, it seems to me. My son has the occassional bottle of WKD but only at home, he is 16 after all. He has never gone out with mates and gotten drunk which I had quite a few times by his age.
For my generation going to the pub, having a beer, it was a rite of passage and it then became the norm. Ypu didn't do much unless beer was involved somewhere. I drank heavily right up until my son was born yet now I hardly touch a drop.
Some have addicitive personalities and cannot control it, some use it as a crutch in hard times and some just enjoy it. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:58 - Jan 16 with 660 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 18:56 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
You’ve made my point
Cat
Why WHY are folk so dependent on alcohol |
You admit yourself that you have a tipple now and again, would you call yourself dependant. I enjoy a glass when socialising over dinner or on a match day, would I call myself dependant no. Accept that some enjoy the occasional glass of beer/wine or whatever without being dependant. |  | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:59 - Jan 16 with 652 views | onehunglow |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 19:51 - Jan 16 by SullutaCreturned |
Well many reasons though younger people aren't drinking as much, it seems to me. My son has the occassional bottle of WKD but only at home, he is 16 after all. He has never gone out with mates and gotten drunk which I had quite a few times by his age.
For my generation going to the pub, having a beer, it was a rite of passage and it then became the norm. Ypu didn't do much unless beer was involved somewhere. I drank heavily right up until my son was born yet now I hardly touch a drop.
Some have addicitive personalities and cannot control it, some use it as a crutch in hard times and some just enjoy it. |
Good reply
However, I believe our attitude towards alcohol and it’s excess is key to our problems along with the acceptance that digs are ok
I ain’t really grumpy btw,just want people to enjoy their lives without harming themselves | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:28 - Jan 16 with 623 views | Luther27 |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 18:56 - Jan 16 by onehunglow |
You’ve made my point
Cat
Why WHY are folk so dependent on alcohol |
My reasoning over this is the principle of increasing the tax and trying to use a bs excuse of concern over health implications etc. I’m fed up of taxing everything….and I mean everything. Where does the money go? Where does the tax on sugar related products go for instance?
At the end of the day the Senedd want all our money and dress it up as it’s in our interests they take it from us in one form or another. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:36 - Jan 16 with 612 views | Flashberryjack |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:28 - Jan 16 by Luther27 |
My reasoning over this is the principle of increasing the tax and trying to use a bs excuse of concern over health implications etc. I’m fed up of taxing everything….and I mean everything. Where does the money go? Where does the tax on sugar related products go for instance?
At the end of the day the Senedd want all our money and dress it up as it’s in our interests they take it from us in one form or another. |
It's not a tax on alcohol, it just puts a minimum price per unit that shops & super markets can sell it.
It doesn't apply in England, yet, but I'm sure the labour controled Westminster will be looking to follow suit at some point, it's called controlling the little people. |  |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 21:32 - Jan 16 with 576 views | Luther27 |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:36 - Jan 16 by Flashberryjack |
It's not a tax on alcohol, it just puts a minimum price per unit that shops & super markets can sell it.
It doesn't apply in England, yet, but I'm sure the labour controled Westminster will be looking to follow suit at some point, it's called controlling the little people. |
And lining the coffers of Tesco? I’m assuming they keep the increased profits? | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 21:47 - Jan 16 with 557 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 21:32 - Jan 16 by Luther27 |
And lining the coffers of Tesco? I’m assuming they keep the increased profits? |
Yes and ironically the tax on company profits doesn't come to Wales. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:19 - Jan 17 with 425 views | onehunglow |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 20:28 - Jan 16 by Luther27 |
My reasoning over this is the principle of increasing the tax and trying to use a bs excuse of concern over health implications etc. I’m fed up of taxing everything….and I mean everything. Where does the money go? Where does the tax on sugar related products go for instance?
At the end of the day the Senedd want all our money and dress it up as it’s in our interests they take it from us in one form or another. |
Luth
I could go on all today about this subject and send you into a stupor .i do think booze is too cheap .
Osdsonally, I’d have beer at least £ 8 per pint, wine £ 20 ,spirits £50 .
People cannot be trusted ,in many cases,to do the sensible thing .
It’s why we have laws really to control us ,and we need controlling .
I would also double the price if fags and tax gambling more with a total ban on advertising everywhere .
They did it with tobacco .
I int a killjoy btw. I just wish we could enjoy life without alcohol being so central..
Enjoy the day | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:28 - Jan 17 with 408 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:19 - Jan 17 by onehunglow |
Luth
I could go on all today about this subject and send you into a stupor .i do think booze is too cheap .
Osdsonally, I’d have beer at least £ 8 per pint, wine £ 20 ,spirits £50 .
People cannot be trusted ,in many cases,to do the sensible thing .
It’s why we have laws really to control us ,and we need controlling .
I would also double the price if fags and tax gambling more with a total ban on advertising everywhere .
They did it with tobacco .
I int a killjoy btw. I just wish we could enjoy life without alcohol being so central..
Enjoy the day |
I would say the under 25s drink more coffee than alcohol, it's the older generation and the ones who can least afford it are the issue. Is "taxing" really the answer. I would say education, support and tackling the underlying social issues is what needs to be done. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:32 - Jan 17 with 400 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 21:47 - Jan 16 by Whiterockin |
Yes and ironically the tax on company profits doesn't come to Wales. |
Tax on company profits is collected centrally and is distributed nationwide. They proportion going to Wales is decided under the Barnett formula with Wales getting proportional more than England. It is just like VAT, NI, Income tax fuel duty, road tax all collected centrally.
The more tax collected the more the government spend the more Wales gets. | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:37 - Jan 17 with 389 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:32 - Jan 17 by felixstowe_jack |
Tax on company profits is collected centrally and is distributed nationwide. They proportion going to Wales is decided under the Barnett formula with Wales getting proportional more than England. It is just like VAT, NI, Income tax fuel duty, road tax all collected centrally.
The more tax collected the more the government spend the more Wales gets. |
So you are saying that all of the money collected through Minimum Unit Pricing in Wales comes directly back to Wales through the Barnett formula even though it is not applicable in England. If it was collected throughout the UK we would get back more than we pay, as it stands never. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:56 - Jan 17 with 353 views | onehunglow |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:28 - Jan 17 by Whiterockin |
I would say the under 25s drink more coffee than alcohol, it's the older generation and the ones who can least afford it are the issue. Is "taxing" really the answer. I would say education, support and tackling the underlying social issues is what needs to be done. |
Morning.
Well,not quite true as any visit to a Spanish resort will evidence
Biggest issue may be middle aged folk drinking at home. Taxing? It may be the answer or at least help.
It seems madness you can get Vodka so cheap to get ratsed . Same with strong ciders .
My first wife used to be an addict for Gold Label . Never forgot it . It might be why I’m so vehement on this matter so apologies if I come over as a sermonizing dick .
We have to do something surely | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 10:17 - Jan 17 with 335 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:56 - Jan 17 by onehunglow |
Morning.
Well,not quite true as any visit to a Spanish resort will evidence
Biggest issue may be middle aged folk drinking at home. Taxing? It may be the answer or at least help.
It seems madness you can get Vodka so cheap to get ratsed . Same with strong ciders .
My first wife used to be an addict for Gold Label . Never forgot it . It might be why I’m so vehement on this matter so apologies if I come over as a sermonizing dick .
We have to do something surely |
I don't think you can compare people on holiday to people's lifestyle back home. I drink a lot more on holiday probably every day do it's not a true assessment. Alcohol free drinks have gone through the roof here, so you can't really tell visually if someone is drinking alcohol or not. | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 10:22 - Jan 17 with 325 views | onehunglow |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 10:17 - Jan 17 by Whiterockin |
I don't think you can compare people on holiday to people's lifestyle back home. I drink a lot more on holiday probably every day do it's not a true assessment. Alcohol free drinks have gone through the roof here, so you can't really tell visually if someone is drinking alcohol or not. |
I can and I have .
It’s the highlight if the holiday
Why?
That’s the point anyway,
Anyway,have to go out now as doggie want long walk and I’d like my usual Earl Grey overlooking the Dee towards Wales | |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 10:22 - Jan 17 with 324 views | Dr_Winston |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:28 - Jan 17 by Whiterockin |
I would say the under 25s drink more coffee than alcohol, it's the older generation and the ones who can least afford it are the issue. Is "taxing" really the answer. I would say education, support and tackling the underlying social issues is what needs to be done. |
It's absolutely true and a phenomenon that has been noted and reported upon numerous times. I'm afraid the old cliche about town centres being full of pissed up loonies every weekend is well out of date.
Pubs and clubs are closing at a significant rate because younger generations simply don't drink at the rates my and older ones do, and heaping costs on the industry that policies such as this do will only accelerate the process.
Mrs Winston's son will happily go to a house party with three small bottles of beer. Her daughter can't be pursuaded to even try alcohol. Just not interested.
Problem drinkers will not be dissuaded by policies like this as the stats from Scotland clearly show. The only people being inconvenienced are normal people and businesses. [Post edited 17 Jan 14:55]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Minimum Unit Pricing on 13:23 - Jan 17 with 250 views | Luther27 |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 09:19 - Jan 17 by onehunglow |
Luth
I could go on all today about this subject and send you into a stupor .i do think booze is too cheap .
Osdsonally, I’d have beer at least £ 8 per pint, wine £ 20 ,spirits £50 .
People cannot be trusted ,in many cases,to do the sensible thing .
It’s why we have laws really to control us ,and we need controlling .
I would also double the price if fags and tax gambling more with a total ban on advertising everywhere .
They did it with tobacco .
I int a killjoy btw. I just wish we could enjoy life without alcohol being so central..
Enjoy the day |
Ah I’m just on my anti Senedd/Govt drum again. I know you’ve seen the bad side of alcohol abuse but instead of blanket tax increase why not give the abusers a just sentence…..bit like fining fly tippers and not everyone else. Drug abuse is a much bigger problem these days as a visit to town centres will testify . | | | |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 13:34 - Jan 17 with 240 views | Whiterockin |
| Minimum Unit Pricing on 13:23 - Jan 17 by Luther27 |
Ah I’m just on my anti Senedd/Govt drum again. I know you’ve seen the bad side of alcohol abuse but instead of blanket tax increase why not give the abusers a just sentence…..bit like fining fly tippers and not everyone else. Drug abuse is a much bigger problem these days as a visit to town centres will testify . |
I think it would be more acceptable if the money raised in Wales was spent in Wales helping those with issues. | | | |
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