| Covid Figures Exaggerated 09:19 - Jul 19 with 22480 views | Boris_ |
Who would have thought it?
Scotland and Wales classing anyone who had Covid with in 28 days of dying as a Covid death, regardless of their actual cause of death.
In England, we are classing anyone who has ever tested positive for Covid as a covid death. So someone could have have tested positive in February and get run over by a bus today, and they will be added to the list of Covid deaths.
As I have said all along, the numbers are fabricated and exaggerated. History will show that we performed as well, if not better than most of the large European countries ( which will upset some on here )
Cancer Research UK are predicting that the lack of urgent care and referrals could contribute up to 35,000 excess deaths as well.
Heart conditions etc also contributing to excess deaths.
The truth is unraveling.
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 13:57 - Jul 29 with 1337 views | Boris_ |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 13:45 - Jul 29 by DorsetIan |
The difference is that boxes can be stored in places where they won't fall on people's heads and trip hazards can be avoided, and equipment can be pat tested and all other office hazards will be subject to H&S best practise which has been developed, accumulated and learnt upon over many many years.
This virus is new. As you have been so keen to argue when excusing the govt from any blame in how they have handled it so far, there are many unknowns and a lot of it is 'best guess' based on imperfect information. It is very different to the risk of a box falling on your head, for an employee to conclude that an office space is still not 'safe' for them (and given their particular circumstances) that they want to continue working for home or, if that is not possible, not work at all.
The issue of whether someone in those circumstances should be paid should be up for debate but I certainly don't think that the employer would should be able to dismiss them - as long as their actions are reasonable (which will, of course, depend upon their circumstances, the type of work they do, and the working environment).
And this sort of thing is the stuff of sensible discussion in a liberal democracy like ours, about citizens'/workers' rights. Only someone who would like to see children sent back up chimneys would refer to it as 'left wing extremism'. |
If you give employees the right to simply refuse to go to work based on their own personal opinion on whether it is 'safe' or not to do so then you will open a huge can of worms which will cripple many businesses and millions more people will be out of work. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 13:57 - Jul 29 with 1337 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 13:47 - Jul 29 by DorsetIan |
At heart, you've always been a bit of a left 'left wing extremist' Chesham. |
Fook! I've just choked on my pop corn..! |  |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 14:02 - Jul 29 with 1333 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 13:32 - Jul 29 by Boris_ |
You're completely wrong there pal. Not even close.
It's up to the employer to deem where the place of work is ( and 99/100 it will be clearly defined in the contract ). They cannot unreasonably change the place of work without offering redundancy but to say that an employee can demand to work from home or change their location of work and the employer mustn't reasonably withold it is completely false mush. Absolute fantasy land stuff ( assuming it was a troll post and I fell for it... FFS ) [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 13:33]
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Well it's been a few years since I ran an HR department so I may be out of date. But it's unlikely that employee rights (some of which emerged as a consequence of unintended discrimination eg most part timers are women, ergo discrimination against part timers is effectively discrimination against women) and 'family 'friendly' policies have eroded much. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 15:40 - Jul 29 with 1293 views | DorsetIan |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 13:57 - Jul 29 by Boris_ |
If you give employees the right to simply refuse to go to work based on their own personal opinion on whether it is 'safe' or not to do so then you will open a huge can of worms which will cripple many businesses and millions more people will be out of work. |
Sounds like more bed-wetting to me.
At a time like this, people should be able to make the final decision about their and their families' safety.
Sure, some chancers will take the p!ss but most people will want to get back to work if they can, most employers will provide safe workspaces and most people will go back to work no problem.
'cripple many businesses and millions more people will be out of work' - it's all doom and gloom and 'project fear' with you, isn't it. |  |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 16:10 - Jul 29 with 1278 views | Boris_ |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 14:02 - Jul 29 by Chesham_Saint |
Well it's been a few years since I ran an HR department so I may be out of date. But it's unlikely that employee rights (some of which emerged as a consequence of unintended discrimination eg most part timers are women, ergo discrimination against part timers is effectively discrimination against women) and 'family 'friendly' policies have eroded much. |
I think perhaps you are talking about your individual company HR rules but I certainly know of no employment law where an employee can effectively demand to work from home, especially when the contract clearly states the place of work. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 16:25 - Jul 29 with 1260 views | Boris_ |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 15:40 - Jul 29 by DorsetIan |
Sounds like more bed-wetting to me.
At a time like this, people should be able to make the final decision about their and their families' safety.
Sure, some chancers will take the p!ss but most people will want to get back to work if they can, most employers will provide safe workspaces and most people will go back to work no problem.
'cripple many businesses and millions more people will be out of work' - it's all doom and gloom and 'project fear' with you, isn't it. |
The issue is Ian, your left wing extremism applies a one size fits all logic which doesn't work in the real world. If you ever ran a business or employed staff then you would know.
In your fantasy union-led world, employees can decide whether they turn up to work or not, yet still should be entitled to full pay... in the middle of the worst recession on record.
Great plan mush. You are definitely someone who is an entry level job noddy. I'd get off the internet and put more effort in to your job before your bosses replace you with someone more worthy, which won't be hard to find at the moment. [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 16:42]
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:08 - Jul 29 with 1243 views | DorsetIan |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 16:25 - Jul 29 by Boris_ |
The issue is Ian, your left wing extremism applies a one size fits all logic which doesn't work in the real world. If you ever ran a business or employed staff then you would know.
In your fantasy union-led world, employees can decide whether they turn up to work or not, yet still should be entitled to full pay... in the middle of the worst recession on record.
Great plan mush. You are definitely someone who is an entry level job noddy. I'd get off the internet and put more effort in to your job before your bosses replace you with someone more worthy, which won't be hard to find at the moment. [Post edited 29 Jul 2020 16:42]
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Oh dear, oh dear. On the back foot and tucked up a treat, you resort to what you do best - sledging and deflection.
You've had a bad day, Sir. It happens. But don't worry you're still at the crease and will be back stronger tomorrow I am sure. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:11 - Jul 29 with 1241 views | Boris_ |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:08 - Jul 29 by DorsetIan |
Oh dear, oh dear. On the back foot and tucked up a treat, you resort to what you do best - sledging and deflection.
You've had a bad day, Sir. It happens. But don't worry you're still at the crease and will be back stronger tomorrow I am sure. |
Don't dodge the ridiculous 'idea' you have come up with.
So if you were Prime Minister, you'd make wages compulsory but work voluntary? Yes?
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:19 - Jul 29 with 1234 views | DorsetIan |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:11 - Jul 29 by Boris_ |
Don't dodge the ridiculous 'idea' you have come up with.
So if you were Prime Minister, you'd make wages compulsory but work voluntary? Yes?
Vote for Ian! |
You chose not to read the bit where I said very clearly. "The issue of whether someone in those circumstances should be paid should be up for debate."
So it's not quite the free lunch that you suggest.
As I said, you never really got your eye in today.
I hope I still get your vote though. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:21 - Jul 29 with 1231 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 16:10 - Jul 29 by Boris_ |
I think perhaps you are talking about your individual company HR rules but I certainly know of no employment law where an employee can effectively demand to work from home, especially when the contract clearly states the place of work. |
They can't demand, they can ask.
It may have been only my 'individual company' but we did have c 6,000 employees who I like to think we treated fairly and well in accordance with the (then) regulations. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:29 - Jul 29 with 1222 views | JaySaint |
Leicester, Blackburn, Oldham and possibly Luton...all seeing local spikes
What is it with these towns/cities?
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:41 - Jul 29 with 1207 views | DorsetIan |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:21 - Jul 29 by Chesham_Saint |
They can't demand, they can ask.
It may have been only my 'individual company' but we did have c 6,000 employees who I like to think we treated fairly and well in accordance with the (then) regulations. |
You wrote 'ask but you meant 'demand', you Diane Abbott-loving trot. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:57 - Jul 29 with 1194 views | Chesham_Saint |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 17:41 - Jul 29 by DorsetIan |
You wrote 'ask but you meant 'demand', you Diane Abbott-loving trot. |
Yes, that's just how I treat my women too.... | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 23:45 - Jul 29 with 1135 views | Scoot |
Boris, I don't think you get any attention from Anyone at home if there is anyone at home? I imagine you're not very well liked at work either thats if you do work? I think this because you just talk rubbish to get a reaction like the children I used to work with in the kids homes. They talked sHITe as well to get attention because they never cared whether the attention was good or bad just as long as they got some as most were neglected by their parents.
The hate filled right wing rubbish you say on here now is so outdated it belongs in the 70s with Alf Garnett & love thy neighbour.
I don't know you and don't want to but in my minds eye I see you sat in your living room watching soft core porn in your pyjamas drinking blue nun eating Wotsits mumbling to yourself why did she leave me as you cry yourself to sleep.
I genuinely think its time you got out and made a friend rather than put distance between yourself and the rest of us. There is plenty of self help groups or sports clubs but in your case for the benefit of the others in the group try the online ones first.
Before you pick up your iPhone with the cracked screen to write some hate filled come back please don't? I won't read it! I just want you to read this, be a little less angrier at the world, stop posting politics on football threads and carry on with you readers wives (the pages that aren't stuck together)
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 00:13 - Jul 30 with 1123 views | Boris_ |
What a wall of text. Unless anyone breaks it down, translates the sh!t grammar and bullet points it, I am not reading it. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 09:16 - Jul 30 with 1068 views | DorsetIan |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 00:13 - Jul 30 by Boris_ |
What a wall of text. Unless anyone breaks it down, translates the sh!t grammar and bullet points it, I am not reading it. |
Well that's a shame Boris because Scoot is only trying to help you, and his post is obviously written from a place of love and compassion.
I understand that some of the things he has written might be a hard (emotionally) to take on board but I do think you should try.
Your somewhat pigheaded, belligerent response is rather proving the point that he is making.
I hope the sun is shining for you as it is in Dorset today. Have a lovely day. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 01:34 - Jul 31 with 1001 views | Scoot |
Thank you Dorsetshire.  | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 01:37 - Jul 31 with 998 views | Scoot |
dorsetIan sorry. Auto correct stepped in. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 01:43 - Jul 31 with 996 views | Scoot |
Thank you DorsetIan. | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 06:42 - Jul 31 with 968 views | Buggalugs |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 00:13 - Jul 30 by Boris_ |
What a wall of text. Unless anyone breaks it down, translates the sh!t grammar and bullet points it, I am not reading it. |
You’re a racist porn-loving virgin loner with a penchant for Blue Nun and Wotsits.
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 08:03 - Jul 31 with 939 views | Boris_ |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 06:42 - Jul 31 by Buggalugs |
You’re a racist porn-loving virgin loner with a penchant for Blue Nun and Wotsits.
Glad to be of help |
Thanks mush, that's much better.
I wonder what Soppy and Ian are going to be crying about today? | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 08:59 - Jul 31 with 917 views | Vagina_Dentata |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 08:03 - Jul 31 by Boris_ |
Thanks mush, that's much better.
I wonder what Soppy and Ian are going to be crying about today? |
The demise of the Argos catalogue. |  |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 09:43 - Jul 31 with 897 views | Sadoldgit |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 08:03 - Jul 31 by Boris_ |
Thanks mush, that's much better.
I wonder what Soppy and Ian are going to be crying about today? |
I don’t know about Ian, but today I shall be mostly crying about Charlie “Naughty Tory” Elphick and the wife who has steadfastly stood by him throughout his trial only to bail spectacularly yesterday after the verdict and to disappear in a taxi.
For some reason, as he did the walk of shame alone from the courthouse, I thought of you Doris. |  | | |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 10:00 - Jul 31 with 882 views | DellHero_Would |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 09:43 - Jul 31 by Sadoldgit |
I don’t know about Ian, but today I shall be mostly crying about Charlie “Naughty Tory” Elphick and the wife who has steadfastly stood by him throughout his trial only to bail spectacularly yesterday after the verdict and to disappear in a taxi.
For some reason, as he did the walk of shame alone from the courthouse, I thought of you Doris. |
Soppy by name Soppy by nature...How’s the neighbours and not having a pot to piss in Sopps? | |
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| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 10:34 - Jul 31 with 858 views | DorsetIan |
| Covid Figures Exaggerated on 08:03 - Jul 31 by Boris_ |
Thanks mush, that's much better.
I wonder what Soppy and Ian are going to be crying about today? |
I cannot take lessons in weeping from the biggest cry-baby on here.
What's upset you today Boris: a leaflet, a badge or a multi-coloured flag? | |
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