| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board 15:41 - Dec 9 with 11079 views | TacticalR |
Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/queens-park-rangers/9701099/Tony
Although it's a couple of weeks old, I don't remember seeing this article posted here (sorry if it was already posted).
It's interesting for a number of reasons:
1) It looks at what different members of the board thought of Hughes.
2) It says the team selection for Manchester United was made by Hughes.
3) It says Redknapp can buy, but would have to sell to buy.
4) It puts the spending in perspective by comparing it to Southampton's. |  |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 23:37 - Dec 9 with 1219 views | Brightonhoop |
Excellent thread if not a little fraught.
I'm with Watford R and have a lingering suspicion of 'arry that wont go away. I hope he keeps us up and we then ship him out.
Some folks have seriously short memories; the horrors of Tango and Cash and Paladini before and during seem to have been forgotten. TF is all about profit. He stated as much in a very recent tweet, Air Asia flying, Caterham, flying, now to fix QPR. And tweeted a long chat with Harry today so let's see what comes, but condemning him for loyalty to MH after the revolving doors days of Briatore are astonishing. I dont recall much decent on MH signings either, it was at the time astonishing such 'names' were coming to QPR. It's a results business and MH needed viagra end of. So the knife sharpening for TF is sickening. We're extremely lucky to have him and how people forget Briatore. AND there were FOUR players McCarthy yesterday when he scored Wigans 2nd. Short of getting in the six yard box himself what more do folk want TF to do?!? |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 23:57 - Dec 9 with 1198 views | klr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 23:37 - Dec 9 by Brightonhoop |
Excellent thread if not a little fraught.
I'm with Watford R and have a lingering suspicion of 'arry that wont go away. I hope he keeps us up and we then ship him out.
Some folks have seriously short memories; the horrors of Tango and Cash and Paladini before and during seem to have been forgotten. TF is all about profit. He stated as much in a very recent tweet, Air Asia flying, Caterham, flying, now to fix QPR. And tweeted a long chat with Harry today so let's see what comes, but condemning him for loyalty to MH after the revolving doors days of Briatore are astonishing. I dont recall much decent on MH signings either, it was at the time astonishing such 'names' were coming to QPR. It's a results business and MH needed viagra end of. So the knife sharpening for TF is sickening. We're extremely lucky to have him and how people forget Briatore. AND there were FOUR players McCarthy yesterday when he scored Wigans 2nd. Short of getting in the six yard box himself what more do folk want TF to do?!? |
"We're extremely lucky to have him"
In what sense ?
What exactly is it that makes him different from any other foreign Billionaire that owns an English football ?
As far as I can see, no one is sharpening any knifes for Tony Fernandes, a few people have said he doesnt know anything about football which is true, compared to the people on this board; dyed in the wool football supporters, he doesnt understand football.
"We're extremely lucky to have him"
Dont understand comments like that, what has luck got to do with it, luck is winning the lottery, this is about business.
There's no difference between The Glazers & Tony Fernandes, the reasons they got in to this game are one & the same, to make money & promote their business interests.
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:01 - Dec 10 with 1189 views | Northernr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 23:57 - Dec 9 by klr |
"We're extremely lucky to have him"
In what sense ?
What exactly is it that makes him different from any other foreign Billionaire that owns an English football ?
As far as I can see, no one is sharpening any knifes for Tony Fernandes, a few people have said he doesnt know anything about football which is true, compared to the people on this board; dyed in the wool football supporters, he doesnt understand football.
"We're extremely lucky to have him"
Dont understand comments like that, what has luck got to do with it, luck is winning the lottery, this is about business.
There's no difference between The Glazers & Tony Fernandes, the reasons they got in to this game are one & the same, to make money & promote their business interests.
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I would suggest that borrowing £600m to buy the club in the first place, and then loading that entire debt onto the club, is quite a big difference between the Glazers ad Tony Fernandes but carry on anyway. |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:05 - Dec 10 with 1180 views | klr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:01 - Dec 10 by Northernr |
I would suggest that borrowing £600m to buy the club in the first place, and then loading that entire debt onto the club, is quite a big difference between the Glazers ad Tony Fernandes but carry on anyway. |
So they arent making money out of Manchester United ?
How they did it is irrelevant, The Glazers like every single every other Foreign Billionaire that owns an English Premiership Football team did it to make money & promote their business interests, there is no other reason. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:08 - Dec 10 with 1173 views | Brightonhoop |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 23:57 - Dec 9 by klr |
"We're extremely lucky to have him"
In what sense ?
What exactly is it that makes him different from any other foreign Billionaire that owns an English football ?
As far as I can see, no one is sharpening any knifes for Tony Fernandes, a few people have said he doesnt know anything about football which is true, compared to the people on this board; dyed in the wool football supporters, he doesnt understand football.
"We're extremely lucky to have him"
Dont understand comments like that, what has luck got to do with it, luck is winning the lottery, this is about business.
There's no difference between The Glazers & Tony Fernandes, the reasons they got in to this game are one & the same, to make money & promote their business interests.
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Lucky Briatore and the poison dwarf didn't finish us off after ABC. The lineage to Fernandes is incredible from shite to loyalty. We saw signs of it as he wrestled with the Warnock decision. The loyalty to Hughes was a mistake, but one he will earn from. Men of straw would have thrown in the towel seeing so muh money going nowhere. I dont think TF will walk away from his money even if we do go down. So a little respect for the man is due. And I'm not one for lauding Chairmen. TF is like something from 100 years ago, totally out of step, loyal, charming and with balls of steel. The absolute antithesis of Briatore. And those vermin who sold us out to ABC. He's a cut above and he's QPR. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:09 - Dec 10 with 1172 views | Northernr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:05 - Dec 10 by klr |
So they arent making money out of Manchester United ?
How they did it is irrelevant, The Glazers like every single every other Foreign Billionaire that owns an English Premiership Football team did it to make money & promote their business interests, there is no other reason. |
That's all irrelevant to my point. You said there was no difference, but there is. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:14 - Dec 10 with 1156 views | klr |
Final point from me for the night; "Loyalty" to Billionaire foreign English football club owners is misplaced & naive at best.
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:17 - Dec 10 with 1148 views | klr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:09 - Dec 10 by Northernr |
That's all irrelevant to my point. You said there was no difference, but there is. |
Sorry, what is it you are saying exactly ?
Are you suggesting that there is a difference between why Tony Fernandes & The Glazers became involved in English football in the first place ?
I'm saying they ( & every other Foreign Billionaire Premiership club owner ) got involved to make their money & promote their business interests.
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:18 - Dec 10 with 1149 views | Brightonhoop |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:14 - Dec 10 by klr |
Final point from me for the night; "Loyalty" to Billionaire foreign English football club owners is misplaced & naive at best.
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Fernandes isn't so cynical. He's also on a major learning curve also at the mercy of his own Board as we have seen. His kind of quality does not come along every day so be careful what you wish for. There's a lot of Paladini wannabe's lurking in the shadows. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:29 - Dec 10 with 1139 views | klr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:18 - Dec 10 by Brightonhoop |
Fernandes isn't so cynical. He's also on a major learning curve also at the mercy of his own Board as we have seen. His kind of quality does not come along every day so be careful what you wish for. There's a lot of Paladini wannabe's lurking in the shadows. |
I just dont think people should be naive as to what this is really about, Tony Fernandes is no more a QPR fan than the American bloke at Liverpool is a Liverpool or the Russian bloke at Reading is a Reading fan.
I dont think its attacking someone by saying they dont know anything about football, he probably knows more about football than The Glazers, I'll give him that.
But compared to the people on this board, football fans ? No
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:33 - Dec 10 with 1137 views | SpiritofGregory |
No one is saying that he is a bad bloke, or that he should leave, he should not be the chairman. We need a chairman who understands football and players. We are not a club who can afford the Suarez's and Mata's, we have a limited budget therefore the chairman should have an idea of what we need. If he feels like questioning signings, he should do so.
I'm quite sure Jim Gregory questioned signings. If the manager wanted to sign a player, he had to justify the signing and too bloody right.
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:39 - Dec 10 with 1128 views | klr |
As far as I am aware, no one is attacking Tony Fernandes & saying what a horrible man he is.
A few are saying that he doesnt know anything about football, which is a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold based on his time so far at QPR IMO.
Anyway, I have to go to bed now, but pretty interesting debate. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:48 - Dec 10 with 1125 views | TheBlob |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:39 - Dec 10 by klr |
As far as I am aware, no one is attacking Tony Fernandes & saying what a horrible man he is.
A few are saying that he doesnt know anything about football, which is a perfectly reasonable opinion to hold based on his time so far at QPR IMO.
Anyway, I have to go to bed now, but pretty interesting debate. |
Not so much a debate as a monologue. |  |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:49 - Dec 10 with 1123 views | Brightonhoop |
I remember Hughes fielding uch a weakened, arrogant team against BH Albion that Albion put Man City out of the cup. I watched Hughes leave the 'Stadium' Withdea, a poxy council owned running track, because unmentionable owners sold Albions Goldstone Ground to a retail park consortium, with his nose in the air, and about £100 Million worth of signings laughing, follow him onto the coach. Hughes was bereft of ideas or responsibility for what had just happened, and after quitting Foolham for 'lack of ambition; I had severe misgivings for his appointment at HQ and for TF's judgement. Amit and Warnock did wonders at Championship level, but not even the Mittals spent like TF has. All I'm saying is Fernadnes is on a steep learning curve and we need to stand by him. Hughes I'll never forgive, he isn't a football manager by any stretch of the imagination, he had no comprehension of where this Club had come from and shame on him for that, for getting turned over by Albion and for walking away from Foolham. People like Hughes should retire after a glittering playing career. From ABC to Hughes?!? ffs TF will learn. He isn't a quitter. And he isn't a fly by night. So for me Harry isn't long term, just a throw of the dice. TF should recruit both Sir Les and a certain Mr Ainsworth into the set up because I dont think even 'arry can dig us out of this. TF I reckon will be around next season wherever we are. | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:56 - Dec 10 with 1108 views | TheBlob |
Are there no noble owners then?And how do you reconcile the role of sponsors?Do Specsavers sell the gloom tinted glasses abundantly evident on this thread? | |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:58 - Dec 10 with 1104 views | MelakaRanger |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 00:08 - Dec 10 by Brightonhoop |
Lucky Briatore and the poison dwarf didn't finish us off after ABC. The lineage to Fernandes is incredible from shite to loyalty. We saw signs of it as he wrestled with the Warnock decision. The loyalty to Hughes was a mistake, but one he will earn from. Men of straw would have thrown in the towel seeing so muh money going nowhere. I dont think TF will walk away from his money even if we do go down. So a little respect for the man is due. And I'm not one for lauding Chairmen. TF is like something from 100 years ago, totally out of step, loyal, charming and with balls of steel. The absolute antithesis of Briatore. And those vermin who sold us out to ABC. He's a cut above and he's QPR. |
"TF is like something from 100 years ago, totally out of step, loyal, charming and with balls of steel. The absolute antithesis of Briatore. And those vermin who sold us out to ABC. He's a cut above and he's QPR."
SPOT ON |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 10:08 - Dec 10 with 1013 views | isawqpratwcity |
I'd prefer that TF was a dyed-in-the-wool QPR supporter. I'd prefer that he knew more about football. Jim Gregory was both and yet in 1968 built the South Africa Rd stand rather than bolster the squad. He took a punt on increased revenue and it failed.
I'm not saying that JG was bad for the club, he was great, but for all his history of love for the club and football cred, it didn't stop him putting his foot in it, big time.
Give me TF and our current board any day. I still maintain that it is the chairman's job to get the best manager he can, and then back him to get results. After Briatore's interference with team selections and replacing managers faster than tan treatments, wasting money on Paladini's unflushables and then slamming the wallet shut because the start of Premier status was the most profitable time to sell out, TF and co are the answer to a maid's prayer.
He's made mistakes, and Hughes was a doozy, but at the time the general consensus was that Hughes was a good choice. It would not have been right for TF to appoint Hughes and then second guess him at every turn.
I still think we will not be relegated. But if we are, then I hope that TF and co stand with the club, because otherwise we will be royally stuffed. |  |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 10:18 - Dec 10 with 1006 views | TheBlob |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 10:08 - Dec 10 by isawqpratwcity |
I'd prefer that TF was a dyed-in-the-wool QPR supporter. I'd prefer that he knew more about football. Jim Gregory was both and yet in 1968 built the South Africa Rd stand rather than bolster the squad. He took a punt on increased revenue and it failed.
I'm not saying that JG was bad for the club, he was great, but for all his history of love for the club and football cred, it didn't stop him putting his foot in it, big time.
Give me TF and our current board any day. I still maintain that it is the chairman's job to get the best manager he can, and then back him to get results. After Briatore's interference with team selections and replacing managers faster than tan treatments, wasting money on Paladini's unflushables and then slamming the wallet shut because the start of Premier status was the most profitable time to sell out, TF and co are the answer to a maid's prayer.
He's made mistakes, and Hughes was a doozy, but at the time the general consensus was that Hughes was a good choice. It would not have been right for TF to appoint Hughes and then second guess him at every turn.
I still think we will not be relegated. But if we are, then I hope that TF and co stand with the club, because otherwise we will be royally stuffed. |
Jim Gregory was not averse to deciding what was best for Jim Gregory and sod QPR.Phil Parkes anyone?
There's a lot of romanticism and naivete' on here.I think we are very fortunate(not lucky)to have a proper money man onboard. | |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 10:44 - Dec 10 with 981 views | QuillPenRiot |
When TF turned on some of the fans on Twitter it gave me pause -- he should ignore the automatic knee jerk sh1tsayers but with the heat he must have been getting he finally responded. However at the time it was also fairly obvious Hughes was actually making the team worse each week--some people he was addressing were sober minded. His remarks foretold his obstinacy to hold onto Hughes and a failing plan, and I'm not at all sure there is a guarantee he'll "learn" from his mistakes.
If the players aren't performing then the manager must motivate or replace them; Hughes did little. TF's big error was in keeping to Hughes too long, and he looks to lose quite a bit of money by it -- for a money man, his risk assessment was lacking. As the club and fans will suffer along with him, and more to the point the rest of the board, he will be most accountable for our likely relegation and it will take a bit of politics for anyone in that position to keep it. For my my part it would be no great loss, a salve to my anger maybe but also I worry what replaces him. [Post edited 1 Jan 1970 1:00]
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 11:24 - Dec 10 with 953 views | Juzzie |
I haven't read all 5 pages of this thread but I blame the club as a whole for allowing kia Joorabchian any where near our club, directly or indirectly.
The guy is a disaster, makes millions by fobbing off countless clubs with useless players on vast salaries.
The club as a whole, Fernandes, Beard, Mittals, Amit etc, all of them, should have said to Huges that no player can come to QPR that is associated with that man. If Hughes has/had the courage of his own convictions as a coach/manager then that could be shown by acquiring other players.... there are plenty out there.
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 16:45 - Dec 10 with 860 views | SomersetHoops |
Some people have either only been supporting QPR for five minutes, or have very short memories. We have had many owners in my time as a QPR supporter and not many, if any, since Jim Gregory who have the interest of the club firmly placed at the forefront of their objectives as the current guy. Its clear TF has made mistakes, but after what went before, we can't really blame him for wanting to give a manager time, even if it was a bit too much time.
Shares in QPR must be at a recent low value and the owners will see them even lower if we go down. However, lets assume we stay up and the club's value goes up to the point where our owners could sell to the highest bidder without losing too much money. These bids would probably be financed by dodgy loans set against any club assets and when that all falls apart we won't have a ground or anything. If the people slagging off TF want that, then go ahead and destroy our owner's enthusiasm for QPR, but beware of the consequences. Personally I think he knows Hughes was a mistake now, but I and many others thought it a good appointment at the time, although we were all wrong.
I think our owners deserve our support and encouragement despite well intentioned mistakes. Only they can provide the funds we need to get out of the mess we are in, whatever division we are in at the end of the season and if they get too much negative feedback from the fans they might start to think its not worth the effort. |  |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 16:49 - Dec 10 with 856 views | QPRDave |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 16:45 - Dec 10 by SomersetHoops |
Some people have either only been supporting QPR for five minutes, or have very short memories. We have had many owners in my time as a QPR supporter and not many, if any, since Jim Gregory who have the interest of the club firmly placed at the forefront of their objectives as the current guy. Its clear TF has made mistakes, but after what went before, we can't really blame him for wanting to give a manager time, even if it was a bit too much time.
Shares in QPR must be at a recent low value and the owners will see them even lower if we go down. However, lets assume we stay up and the club's value goes up to the point where our owners could sell to the highest bidder without losing too much money. These bids would probably be financed by dodgy loans set against any club assets and when that all falls apart we won't have a ground or anything. If the people slagging off TF want that, then go ahead and destroy our owner's enthusiasm for QPR, but beware of the consequences. Personally I think he knows Hughes was a mistake now, but I and many others thought it a good appointment at the time, although we were all wrong.
I think our owners deserve our support and encouragement despite well intentioned mistakes. Only they can provide the funds we need to get out of the mess we are in, whatever division we are in at the end of the season and if they get too much negative feedback from the fans they might start to think its not worth the effort. |
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| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 17:04 - Dec 10 with 837 views | klr |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 16:45 - Dec 10 by SomersetHoops |
Some people have either only been supporting QPR for five minutes, or have very short memories. We have had many owners in my time as a QPR supporter and not many, if any, since Jim Gregory who have the interest of the club firmly placed at the forefront of their objectives as the current guy. Its clear TF has made mistakes, but after what went before, we can't really blame him for wanting to give a manager time, even if it was a bit too much time.
Shares in QPR must be at a recent low value and the owners will see them even lower if we go down. However, lets assume we stay up and the club's value goes up to the point where our owners could sell to the highest bidder without losing too much money. These bids would probably be financed by dodgy loans set against any club assets and when that all falls apart we won't have a ground or anything. If the people slagging off TF want that, then go ahead and destroy our owner's enthusiasm for QPR, but beware of the consequences. Personally I think he knows Hughes was a mistake now, but I and many others thought it a good appointment at the time, although we were all wrong.
I think our owners deserve our support and encouragement despite well intentioned mistakes. Only they can provide the funds we need to get out of the mess we are in, whatever division we are in at the end of the season and if they get too much negative feedback from the fans they might start to think its not worth the effort. |
"You tell the name who is booing me, I sell the club" lol
You really think it works like that ? | | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 18:24 - Dec 10 with 801 views | essextaxiboy |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 16:45 - Dec 10 by SomersetHoops |
Some people have either only been supporting QPR for five minutes, or have very short memories. We have had many owners in my time as a QPR supporter and not many, if any, since Jim Gregory who have the interest of the club firmly placed at the forefront of their objectives as the current guy. Its clear TF has made mistakes, but after what went before, we can't really blame him for wanting to give a manager time, even if it was a bit too much time.
Shares in QPR must be at a recent low value and the owners will see them even lower if we go down. However, lets assume we stay up and the club's value goes up to the point where our owners could sell to the highest bidder without losing too much money. These bids would probably be financed by dodgy loans set against any club assets and when that all falls apart we won't have a ground or anything. If the people slagging off TF want that, then go ahead and destroy our owner's enthusiasm for QPR, but beware of the consequences. Personally I think he knows Hughes was a mistake now, but I and many others thought it a good appointment at the time, although we were all wrong.
I think our owners deserve our support and encouragement despite well intentioned mistakes. Only they can provide the funds we need to get out of the mess we are in, whatever division we are in at the end of the season and if they get too much negative feedback from the fans they might start to think its not worth the effort. |
He is a nice guy and has made himself accessible which is great but in the words of Monty Python ... What have this board done for us? .. IE what have they done that have proved to be the right decision and has benefited the Club on or off the pitch?
Buying Nelsen and ..... ? |  | | |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 18:36 - Dec 10 with 914 views | THEBUSH |
| Tony Fernandes was forced to sack Mark Hughes by QPR board on 18:24 - Dec 10 by essextaxiboy |
He is a nice guy and has made himself accessible which is great but in the words of Monty Python ... What have this board done for us? .. IE what have they done that have proved to be the right decision and has benefited the Club on or off the pitch?
Buying Nelsen and ..... ? |
TF has invested in a new training ground, invested in a new youth policy, a new scouting system in place, a new chief executive whose looking at the possibility of a new stadium.
On the pitch, has been to say the least a disappointment, but he has tried. |  | | |
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