| Small Boat Crossings 18:05 - Feb 12 with 952 views | johnlangy |
This is an idea that occurred to me. There's probably a glaring problem with my logic that I can't see. Maybe one of you can.
The Labour government say they've recruited a lot more people to process asylum claims. When those claims are investigated apparently about 60% are valid with 40% declined. My question is, what if you said we're going to use all the new asylum claim processors to process the illegal small boat arrivals as soon as they arrive. That you will detain them somewhere while they are processed and then deport the illegal ones.
Would this not mean that anyone who knows they have no real claim would say i'm not going to pay thousands to cross the channel knowing that my claim will fail and i'll be immediately deported.
If this did happen there would be a drop from maybe 30,000 this year to 18,000 at a stroke. |  | | |  |
| Small Boat Crossings on 18:42 - Feb 12 with 912 views | SullutaCreturned |
Doing it ASAP seems a very good idea. I think we need more information on the French side too, have agents out there going to camps telling these people that if they come here illegally they won't be allowed to stay. That is, anybody who crosses in a small boat will be deported immediately after their biometric data is taken. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 23:14 - Feb 12 with 846 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Small Boat Crossings on 18:42 - Feb 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Doing it ASAP seems a very good idea. I think we need more information on the French side too, have agents out there going to camps telling these people that if they come here illegally they won't be allowed to stay. That is, anybody who crosses in a small boat will be deported immediately after their biometric data is taken. |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 23:16 - Feb 12 with 841 views | Kilkennyjack |
Sounds legit ….? | |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 01:12 - Feb 13 with 819 views | Robbie |
| Small Boat Crossings on 23:16 - Feb 12 by Kilkennyjack |
Sounds legit ….? |
A half decent Accountant with an Abacus and old school Sanyo hand calculator could cook the books regarding figures , numeric numbers are a challenge so make it look good for the gullibe and cannot be bothered to query the final totals .
All Goverments throw out numbers in all aspects of our lives , the black hole an ongoing agenda to keep our Rach in a job .
Immigration figures will never be calculated exactly , only for now this Goverment does a head check on numbers arriving in Dover , then the spin starts .
Last lot and this current lot are powerless to stop the small boats , it will continue . | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 07:52 - Feb 13 with 758 views | Scotia |
Or we could just process them in France? | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 12:29 - Feb 13 with 682 views | Flashberryjack |
| Small Boat Crossings on 07:52 - Feb 13 by Scotia |
Or we could just process them in France? |
Or we could deport all illegal immigrants immediately to their country of origin, and let them make their application to come to the UK from there. |  |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 15:52 - Feb 13 with 620 views | AnotherJohn |
The problem with some of the suggestions above is that they don't say what we should do with rejected asylum claimants who have concealed their origin country or come from countries that will not accept returns. That is the problem that Rwanda was supposed to deal with. How do we fill that gap? | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 17:38 - Feb 13 with 589 views | majorraglan |
| Small Boat Crossings on 12:29 - Feb 13 by Flashberryjack |
Or we could deport all illegal immigrants immediately to their country of origin, and let them make their application to come to the UK from there. |
If that was an opinion I’m pretty sure it would have been tried already nance the mess we’re in. | | | |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 18:41 - Feb 13 with 549 views | johnlangy |
| Small Boat Crossings on 15:52 - Feb 13 by AnotherJohn |
The problem with some of the suggestions above is that they don't say what we should do with rejected asylum claimants who have concealed their origin country or come from countries that will not accept returns. That is the problem that Rwanda was supposed to deal with. How do we fill that gap? |
Yes, apparently they just threw their papers into the channel for that purpose.
But if they did do that how did we identify all the Albanians and send them back ? And how did we identify all the Vietnamese who were shown to be the largest group of migrants at one point ? | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 19:43 - Feb 13 with 511 views | Scotia |
| Small Boat Crossings on 15:52 - Feb 13 by AnotherJohn |
The problem with some of the suggestions above is that they don't say what we should do with rejected asylum claimants who have concealed their origin country or come from countries that will not accept returns. That is the problem that Rwanda was supposed to deal with. How do we fill that gap? |
Rwanda wouldn't have filled that gap because it would take relatively few asylum seekers, home office modelling suggested about 2% a year, that's no deterrent.
They'd still be here and would keep on coming.
The entire scheme was a smoke screen. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 20:03 - Feb 13 with 483 views | AnotherJohn |
| Small Boat Crossings on 18:41 - Feb 13 by johnlangy |
Yes, apparently they just threw their papers into the channel for that purpose.
But if they did do that how did we identify all the Albanians and send them back ? And how did we identify all the Vietnamese who were shown to be the largest group of migrants at one point ? |
I suppose in those two country cases we identify most but not all. As we have seen recently, a few Albanians who we do identify manage to persuade immigration tribunals that they should not be returned on various grounds. Successive governments have been trying to build u a list of generally safe countries for expedited returns and we have current agreements for returns with 24. However, refugee NGOs like the Refugee Council argue that there are no countries where an individual may not be at risk of persecution, so legal cases can involve nationals even from these 24 countries with agreements. In addition to these, there are certain countries where it is deemed the UK does not need an agreement, and also countries where we once had an agreement that has lapsed. And some countries such as Iran or Afghanistan are considered too dangerous for returns. I found the document in the link below that gives information on some of the different categories, but which stops short of providing a list of problem countries who don't accept our return requests.
https://www.ein.org.uk/news/new-commons-library-research-briefing-uk-migrant-ret | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 20:39 - Feb 13 with 461 views | Dr_Winston |
| Small Boat Crossings on 18:41 - Feb 13 by johnlangy |
Yes, apparently they just threw their papers into the channel for that purpose.
But if they did do that how did we identify all the Albanians and send them back ? And how did we identify all the Vietnamese who were shown to be the largest group of migrants at one point ? |
There are a truly remarkable number of recent arrivals in the UK who were born on New Years Day based on what I've seen. |  |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 21:29 - Feb 13 with 426 views | Flashberryjack |
| Small Boat Crossings on 20:39 - Feb 13 by Dr_Winston |
There are a truly remarkable number of recent arrivals in the UK who were born on New Years Day based on what I've seen. |
And there are a remakable number of judges born yesterday. | |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 21:30 - Feb 13 with 422 views | builthjack |
30,000 a year is nothing compared to the million or more who come in through the front door. |  |
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| Small Boat Crossings on 22:16 - Feb 13 with 396 views | johnlangy |
| Small Boat Crossings on 21:30 - Feb 13 by builthjack |
30,000 a year is nothing compared to the million or more who come in through the front door. |
Correct builthy. But it's the 30,000 that seems to concern so many people. It's so visible I suppose.
People are very strange. If you asked them all if they'd be happy with the figures down from almost a million last year to 30,000 they'd love it. So why doesn't the government stop ALL visas ? Maybe they wouldn't care about the 30,000 then.
Then the same people would complain that there aren't any doctors and nurses and care workers to look after them. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 22:59 - Feb 13 with 379 views | Scotia |
| Small Boat Crossings on 22:16 - Feb 13 by johnlangy |
Correct builthy. But it's the 30,000 that seems to concern so many people. It's so visible I suppose.
People are very strange. If you asked them all if they'd be happy with the figures down from almost a million last year to 30,000 they'd love it. So why doesn't the government stop ALL visas ? Maybe they wouldn't care about the 30,000 then.
Then the same people would complain that there aren't any doctors and nurses and care workers to look after them. |
The immigrants on visas keep the country going. We'd literally be knackered without them.
The boat crossing people are visible because sources like the Telegraph bang on about them all of the time. It's a case of look at THESE, but don't look at these.
The major problem with Reform and the right of the Tories is they'd stop the former and not be able to do anything about the latter.
As someone with no political affinity I'm genuinely concerned about the country's future direction. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 23:27 - Feb 13 with 361 views | Luther27 |
| Small Boat Crossings on 22:16 - Feb 13 by johnlangy |
Correct builthy. But it's the 30,000 that seems to concern so many people. It's so visible I suppose.
People are very strange. If you asked them all if they'd be happy with the figures down from almost a million last year to 30,000 they'd love it. So why doesn't the government stop ALL visas ? Maybe they wouldn't care about the 30,000 then.
Then the same people would complain that there aren't any doctors and nurses and care workers to look after them. |
It worries me that out of a current population of approx 68 million people we appear to have to rely on immigration to keep the UK functional. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 07:39 - Feb 14 with 296 views | AnotherJohn |
| Small Boat Crossings on 23:27 - Feb 13 by Luther27 |
It worries me that out of a current population of approx 68 million people we appear to have to rely on immigration to keep the UK functional. |
My take is that this is not an intrinsic problem for all Western countries, but comes about because of certain economic policies in certain countries. The UK's educational and training infrastructure is stronger than that of the developing countries whose professionals we steal away, but we have chosen not to allocate resources to expand it. Our problem in the NHS is the result of decisions by successive government to limit numbers of doctors, nurses and allied health professionals in training. It is not the case that we did not have enough capable young people of our own to train. More generally in other sectors, there has been a willingness to allow business to import skilled labour rather than incur the costs of training, or in areas like social care and agriculture unwillingness to pay wages that make work attractive to persons already here.
If immigration was the answer to labour shortages, we might expect that after a period of completely unprecedented population growth linked to immigration, then labour shortages would no longer exist. However, we seem to rely on a kind of never-ending conveyor belt where each new cohort of migrants do the unattractive jobs for a while and then become disinclined to continue the work.
I'm not against the idea of attracting "the brightest and the best" as the rhetoric goes, but I think we should have the internal capacity to meet our core needs. Isn't it striking how worries about exporting too much skilled labour - the "brain drain" - in the 1960s and 70s have given way to worries about never being able to manage without immigration? [Post edited 14 Feb 7:42]
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| Small Boat Crossings on 09:13 - Feb 14 with 247 views | Luther27 |
| Small Boat Crossings on 07:39 - Feb 14 by AnotherJohn |
My take is that this is not an intrinsic problem for all Western countries, but comes about because of certain economic policies in certain countries. The UK's educational and training infrastructure is stronger than that of the developing countries whose professionals we steal away, but we have chosen not to allocate resources to expand it. Our problem in the NHS is the result of decisions by successive government to limit numbers of doctors, nurses and allied health professionals in training. It is not the case that we did not have enough capable young people of our own to train. More generally in other sectors, there has been a willingness to allow business to import skilled labour rather than incur the costs of training, or in areas like social care and agriculture unwillingness to pay wages that make work attractive to persons already here.
If immigration was the answer to labour shortages, we might expect that after a period of completely unprecedented population growth linked to immigration, then labour shortages would no longer exist. However, we seem to rely on a kind of never-ending conveyor belt where each new cohort of migrants do the unattractive jobs for a while and then become disinclined to continue the work.
I'm not against the idea of attracting "the brightest and the best" as the rhetoric goes, but I think we should have the internal capacity to meet our core needs. Isn't it striking how worries about exporting too much skilled labour - the "brain drain" - in the 1960s and 70s have given way to worries about never being able to manage without immigration? [Post edited 14 Feb 7:42]
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Thoroughly agree with your observations. Industry has to shoulder much of the blame through an unwillingness to train employees whether that be through apprenticeships or other means. They always view short term gains for profits and not the long term view.
The NHS as you pointed out requires basically everyone who has some form of medical training….and then we allow…and I mean allow Cardiff University to threaten the Senedd with the closure of the nurses training arm if they do not give them tax payers money. Whoever is responsible for that idea should be brought into the public eye and not hide behind a report. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 09:24 - Feb 14 with 240 views | Scotia |
| Small Boat Crossings on 09:13 - Feb 14 by Luther27 |
Thoroughly agree with your observations. Industry has to shoulder much of the blame through an unwillingness to train employees whether that be through apprenticeships or other means. They always view short term gains for profits and not the long term view.
The NHS as you pointed out requires basically everyone who has some form of medical training….and then we allow…and I mean allow Cardiff University to threaten the Senedd with the closure of the nurses training arm if they do not give them tax payers money. Whoever is responsible for that idea should be brought into the public eye and not hide behind a report. |
Cardiff University are in a finacial mess due to a decrease in international student applications, Swansea is in a similar position.
International students pay a fortune to study here, far more than British students do. Restricitons on student visas brought in by the last government has put them off applying to study here and therefore universities will have to cut their cloth accordingly.
Many of these students then work in jobs that British people won't do.
Like it or not we ae completely dependent on immigrants. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 16:42 - Feb 14 with 119 views | AnotherJohn |
| Small Boat Crossings on 09:24 - Feb 14 by Scotia |
Cardiff University are in a finacial mess due to a decrease in international student applications, Swansea is in a similar position.
International students pay a fortune to study here, far more than British students do. Restricitons on student visas brought in by the last government has put them off applying to study here and therefore universities will have to cut their cloth accordingly.
Many of these students then work in jobs that British people won't do.
Like it or not we ae completely dependent on immigrants. |
Changes in visas for dependants of students seem to be a big part of this. The surprising thing is that although overseas student numbers rose sharply in the couple of years after COVID-19, the reduced number this year isn't much lower than intakes in the period before the pandemic. I was surprised to see that overseas applications for Welsh pre-registration nursing degree courses actually rose this year (though admittedly overseas students have never been a big part of the student intake in that subject). I'd say that the pegging of the UK home student fee for some years is also a big factor affecting university finances. | | | |
| Small Boat Crossings on 17:24 - Feb 14 with 92 views | pencoedjack |
| Small Boat Crossings on 01:12 - Feb 13 by Robbie |
A half decent Accountant with an Abacus and old school Sanyo hand calculator could cook the books regarding figures , numeric numbers are a challenge so make it look good for the gullibe and cannot be bothered to query the final totals .
All Goverments throw out numbers in all aspects of our lives , the black hole an ongoing agenda to keep our Rach in a job .
Immigration figures will never be calculated exactly , only for now this Goverment does a head check on numbers arriving in Dover , then the spin starts .
Last lot and this current lot are powerless to stop the small boats , it will continue . |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyd47510gyo
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