| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:09 - Dec 27 with 854 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 08:41 - Dec 27 by HoneyBadger |
"Luke continues to do fine job".
Hmmm. |
We’re going to have more spells where we play badly for a couple of games in a row. It’s impossible to avoid when there’s so little beyond the starting eleven.
It’s very difficult to compare him against managers with decent squads. |  | |  |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:21 - Dec 27 with 815 views | onehunglow |
It wasn’t “ quiet” on here yesterday ,apparently . | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:26 - Dec 27 with 796 views | RichardO |
It was nice to Ronald getting the ball quickly, Cabango excellent passing, Key letting the ball pass him so it didn't slow the passes to Ronald down and then able to offer the support to Ronald add Franco's movement so our attack on the righthand side was great.
Nice to see Eom back in full flow as well, excellent preformance all round.
Listening to William's comments with regards to the attacking moves being more controlled surprisingly with quicker passing to find the good movement would do that.
I think one of the most pleasing aspects was our getting tackles in not letting their players settle on the ball unable to turn with the ball,we did have one or two moments, mistakes but because our defensive shape was better our cover for those mistakes was better.
A number of teams have picked us off but with our quicker passing QPR could not did it.
Eom taken off because of his yellow or tiring as you would expect after an injury as QPR tried to attack down that side? Thought their fullback was trying to invite a rash challenge from Eom but nice to see Eom hold his ground.
Sensible substitutions just the two initially and nice to see Ben Lloyd getting his debut, didn't he play in a couple of the preseason friendlies? | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:33 - Dec 27 with 768 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:26 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
It was nice to Ronald getting the ball quickly, Cabango excellent passing, Key letting the ball pass him so it didn't slow the passes to Ronald down and then able to offer the support to Ronald add Franco's movement so our attack on the righthand side was great.
Nice to see Eom back in full flow as well, excellent preformance all round.
Listening to William's comments with regards to the attacking moves being more controlled surprisingly with quicker passing to find the good movement would do that.
I think one of the most pleasing aspects was our getting tackles in not letting their players settle on the ball unable to turn with the ball,we did have one or two moments, mistakes but because our defensive shape was better our cover for those mistakes was better.
A number of teams have picked us off but with our quicker passing QPR could not did it.
Eom taken off because of his yellow or tiring as you would expect after an injury as QPR tried to attack down that side? Thought their fullback was trying to invite a rash challenge from Eom but nice to see Eom hold his ground.
Sensible substitutions just the two initially and nice to see Ben Lloyd getting his debut, didn't he play in a couple of the preseason friendlies? |
On Key, where was he actually playing yesterday? You’re the go to man on little tactical and positional tweaks.
He seemed to be in central midfield as much as he was at right back.
They didn’t have any threat on the left, which may have contributed to that and it helped us dominate midfield, but I was surprised at how much freedom he had to roam. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:41 - Dec 27 with 743 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:09 - Dec 27 by jack247 |
We’re going to have more spells where we play badly for a couple of games in a row. It’s impossible to avoid when there’s so little beyond the starting eleven.
It’s very difficult to compare him against managers with decent squads. |
Short turn around is going to affect us but having that 3 goal buffer by the first half really helped us conserve energy levels in the second half also trying to create space with slow ball.is energy sapping especially trying to recover mistakes made. We saw very little of that yesterday.
Will be interesting to see Sunday's team, did see Grimes struggle at one point but seem to shake it off, don't know if it was a knock or a pull, suspect a knock | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:43 - Dec 27 with 734 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:41 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
Short turn around is going to affect us but having that 3 goal buffer by the first half really helped us conserve energy levels in the second half also trying to create space with slow ball.is energy sapping especially trying to recover mistakes made. We saw very little of that yesterday.
Will be interesting to see Sunday's team, did see Grimes struggle at one point but seem to shake it off, don't know if it was a knock or a pull, suspect a knock |
More than anything,it showed we really can move forward and be cutting
I thought we slowed it down a little too much but the result is paramount so well done to them
Now,we build on that
Overjoyed to see Franco at last get some reward | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:15 - Dec 27 with 708 views | Whiterockin |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 07:25 - Dec 27 by KeithHaynes |
I can say that our keeper coach holds him in very high regard. |
I understand that, but I can only comment on those I have seen play, I haven't seen him play. The coaching staff must rate other players they include in the team or they wouldn't use them. Some of them IMO are just plain a waste of a shirt, possibly they deliver in training but not in a match. As I say McLaughlin I can't comment on, but back up keeper must be the most frustrating job in football, hopefully he will get a run out against Southampton. |  | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:20 - Dec 27 with 687 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 09:33 - Dec 27 by jack247 |
On Key, where was he actually playing yesterday? You’re the go to man on little tactical and positional tweaks.
He seemed to be in central midfield as much as he was at right back.
They didn’t have any threat on the left, which may have contributed to that and it helped us dominate midfield, but I was surprised at how much freedom he had to roam. |
Both Tymon and Key both held their wide defensive position but then tucked into the midfield positions at times which bolstered the defensive element in the midfield while also the attacking threat by adding movement, letting Franco pull out to support Ronnald and cover the flanks, Cabango and Darling would also commit to covering the wings knowing that at least one of Key and Tymon with their pace could directly drop into the middle into the space left to assist Grimes. Presume similar was happening to the left hand side with Cullen but with the right flamk being close to the east stand it was move obvious to me.
Second half I think Tymon was targeted again but think he got himself into better defensive positions to ensure the winger didn't have as much time on the ball as in previous games getting closer and making tackles, glad to see the sub they had brought on had to be taken off although the taller player gave Tymon different problems which he dealt with with help from his teammates.
What I liked yesterday was Cabango's passes getting quickly to Ronald, Key letting it bypass him but if needed could intercept the ball, it seem to hold the defenders off Ronald giving him options the one time the QPR defender did try and land a strong tackle Ronald the pass and Roanald were too quick drawing the yellow card. I though the interplay was better between Key, Franco and Ronald.
Being a bit picky at time both Key and Tymon need to open their bodies out to play the quick balls down the line but the safety first play worked. | | | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:24 - Dec 27 with 665 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:20 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
Both Tymon and Key both held their wide defensive position but then tucked into the midfield positions at times which bolstered the defensive element in the midfield while also the attacking threat by adding movement, letting Franco pull out to support Ronnald and cover the flanks, Cabango and Darling would also commit to covering the wings knowing that at least one of Key and Tymon with their pace could directly drop into the middle into the space left to assist Grimes. Presume similar was happening to the left hand side with Cullen but with the right flamk being close to the east stand it was move obvious to me.
Second half I think Tymon was targeted again but think he got himself into better defensive positions to ensure the winger didn't have as much time on the ball as in previous games getting closer and making tackles, glad to see the sub they had brought on had to be taken off although the taller player gave Tymon different problems which he dealt with with help from his teammates.
What I liked yesterday was Cabango's passes getting quickly to Ronald, Key letting it bypass him but if needed could intercept the ball, it seem to hold the defenders off Ronald giving him options the one time the QPR defender did try and land a strong tackle Ronald the pass and Roanald were too quick drawing the yellow card. I though the interplay was better between Key, Franco and Ronald.
Being a bit picky at time both Key and Tymon need to open their bodies out to play the quick balls down the line but the safety first play worked. |
They are ,right now,two mediocre fullbacks
Most wingers get a cross in when faced by Key ,especially.Cabango gets stick but he’s a solid player who can do the basics .
A great young pro too | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:34 - Dec 27 with 632 views | blackswan |
My 4 year old grandsons first ever game he absolutely loved it think we have a new lifelong fan | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:36 - Dec 27 with 628 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:34 - Dec 27 by blackswan |
My 4 year old grandsons first ever game he absolutely loved it think we have a new lifelong fan |
Nothing but nothing beat a win
You can be as pretty as you like but getting more goals into the net than the opponent is best way to keep em coming back
That said ,first game I saw ,we lost 5-3 at Wolves .,back in the fifties | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:45 - Dec 27 with 614 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:20 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
Both Tymon and Key both held their wide defensive position but then tucked into the midfield positions at times which bolstered the defensive element in the midfield while also the attacking threat by adding movement, letting Franco pull out to support Ronnald and cover the flanks, Cabango and Darling would also commit to covering the wings knowing that at least one of Key and Tymon with their pace could directly drop into the middle into the space left to assist Grimes. Presume similar was happening to the left hand side with Cullen but with the right flamk being close to the east stand it was move obvious to me.
Second half I think Tymon was targeted again but think he got himself into better defensive positions to ensure the winger didn't have as much time on the ball as in previous games getting closer and making tackles, glad to see the sub they had brought on had to be taken off although the taller player gave Tymon different problems which he dealt with with help from his teammates.
What I liked yesterday was Cabango's passes getting quickly to Ronald, Key letting it bypass him but if needed could intercept the ball, it seem to hold the defenders off Ronald giving him options the one time the QPR defender did try and land a strong tackle Ronald the pass and Roanald were too quick drawing the yellow card. I though the interplay was better between Key, Franco and Ronald.
Being a bit picky at time both Key and Tymon need to open their bodies out to play the quick balls down the line but the safety first play worked. |
Superb explanation | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:49 - Dec 27 with 601 views | RichardO |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:24 - Dec 27 by onehunglow |
They are ,right now,two mediocre fullbacks
Most wingers get a cross in when faced by Key ,especially.Cabango gets stick but he’s a solid player who can do the basics .
A great young pro too |
It was good watch Rangel making a descion does he get in tight to get a tackle in to stop a clever footed winger turning and running at him or does he give the winger who solely relies on his pace a yard to make sure Rangel was able to turn and close off the route down the line. Add to that the tenacity and size of a winger the safety of the touch would be the only choice. Problem comes when the winger has a lot of good attributes and the Championship does seem to have them.
Rangel did get caught out sometimes trying to add his presence to attacks but team shape should cover that where possible and that is the problem with Tymon and Key they needed to make the right choices with regards to the wingers they are marking and know when to not commit themselves to our attacks, especially if no cover is in place.
I don't call them bad players but naive defenders at times yesterday we were three up they needed to ensure QPR didn't get back in the game via their wingers for the most part they got it right in the second half. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:57 - Dec 27 with 565 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 10:49 - Dec 27 by RichardO |
It was good watch Rangel making a descion does he get in tight to get a tackle in to stop a clever footed winger turning and running at him or does he give the winger who solely relies on his pace a yard to make sure Rangel was able to turn and close off the route down the line. Add to that the tenacity and size of a winger the safety of the touch would be the only choice. Problem comes when the winger has a lot of good attributes and the Championship does seem to have them.
Rangel did get caught out sometimes trying to add his presence to attacks but team shape should cover that where possible and that is the problem with Tymon and Key they needed to make the right choices with regards to the wingers they are marking and know when to not commit themselves to our attacks, especially if no cover is in place.
I don't call them bad players but naive defenders at times yesterday we were three up they needed to ensure QPR didn't get back in the game via their wingers for the most part they got it right in the second half. |
Classy reply | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 14:44 - Dec 27 with 378 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 08:08 - Dec 27 by jack247 |
Surprised nobody has mentioned we had 71% possession and still managed to win. Maybe having the ball isn’t the problem after all. |
Ooh you little tinker, I'm getting fed up of saying it BUT possession without purpose is fruitless. Passing aimlessly around the back is slow and boring.
We had purpose yesterday, we moved the ball more quickly, we had excellent movement from Cullen and we got the ball into danger areas. The ball went backwards (for no good reason) much less and we looked to attack. We kept QPR on their backfoot.
Against Hull it was passing backwards for no good reason that put us in trouble. Such as the Grimes pass that went syraight to Pedor when he could have gone wide to Key.
Besides you can have the minority share of possession and still win, just ask Hull. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 14:52 - Dec 27 with 369 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 19:07 - Dec 26 by Fireboy2 |
Bloody hell, are you ok D? |
Absolutely fine E.
The thing is, when it's a shit performance, talking about that isn't being negative, it's discussing the facts.
Just like yesterday, my comments aren't positive, they just reflect the game and the facts.
Being negative would be moaning about the game despite the performance and the result.
Something does puzzle me though, wjhy were we apparently fatigued against Hull but not against QPR?
Something else "positive" and it'a about Grimes again,
walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/luke-williams-absent-swansea-city-30664725
Seems I have to give credit to Grimes AND to LW for doing something different that seems to have had a positive effect. AS I have already said, unlike certain other managers, LW does look to make changes to see if he can improve things, that we don't always see or hear about those changes is not his fault. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 14:57 - Dec 27 with 358 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 14:44 - Dec 27 by SullutaCreturned |
Ooh you little tinker, I'm getting fed up of saying it BUT possession without purpose is fruitless. Passing aimlessly around the back is slow and boring.
We had purpose yesterday, we moved the ball more quickly, we had excellent movement from Cullen and we got the ball into danger areas. The ball went backwards (for no good reason) much less and we looked to attack. We kept QPR on their backfoot.
Against Hull it was passing backwards for no good reason that put us in trouble. Such as the Grimes pass that went syraight to Pedor when he could have gone wide to Key.
Besides you can have the minority share of possession and still win, just ask Hull. |
Yes, I was being a bit facetious.
We very rarely have possession without purpose. If we attack down the right, run into trouble, so go backwards, recycle it across the back line and try to probe down the left, that’s not possession without purpose. We’re invariably trying a version of that when it looks like we go back and knock it about for the sake of it.
Under Russell Martin, yes I’d agree we did do that and we also played high risk low reward football in our own final third.
As far as I’m concerned, whether we have 45 or 55% of the ball, the usual reason for dropping points is our front three. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 15:22 - Dec 27 with 316 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 14:52 - Dec 27 by SullutaCreturned |
Absolutely fine E.
The thing is, when it's a shit performance, talking about that isn't being negative, it's discussing the facts.
Just like yesterday, my comments aren't positive, they just reflect the game and the facts.
Being negative would be moaning about the game despite the performance and the result.
Something does puzzle me though, wjhy were we apparently fatigued against Hull but not against QPR?
Something else "positive" and it'a about Grimes again,
walesonline.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/luke-williams-absent-swansea-city-30664725
Seems I have to give credit to Grimes AND to LW for doing something different that seems to have had a positive effect. AS I have already said, unlike certain other managers, LW does look to make changes to see if he can improve things, that we don't always see or hear about those changes is not his fault. |
I think I’m seeing the posts of the still pyssed
We have been dire.
Yesterday we were back to normality
Question is why we dint do it regularly
Why play on atrocious fashion to bottom places clubs on horrific runs but smash a team on a good one
That performance was one we should expect
We played the ball forward
We crushed the opposition | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 15:35 - Dec 27 with 291 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 15:22 - Dec 27 by onehunglow |
I think I’m seeing the posts of the still pyssed
We have been dire.
Yesterday we were back to normality
Question is why we dint do it regularly
Why play on atrocious fashion to bottom places clubs on horrific runs but smash a team on a good one
That performance was one we should expect
We played the ball forward
We crushed the opposition |
The only game we have been poor recently in my opinion is Hull, and I put that down to the 3 games a week schedule and squad depth.
To be in 10th at the halfway stage of the season with our squad is commendable, hopefully Williams will be backed in the window.
We have one of the lowest wage budgets in the league and are certainly punching above our weight |  |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 15:42 - Dec 27 with 277 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 15:35 - Dec 27 by raynor94 |
The only game we have been poor recently in my opinion is Hull, and I put that down to the 3 games a week schedule and squad depth.
To be in 10th at the halfway stage of the season with our squad is commendable, hopefully Williams will be backed in the window.
We have one of the lowest wage budgets in the league and are certainly punching above our weight |
So much sense in one short post | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 20:02 - Dec 27 with 161 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 14:57 - Dec 27 by jack247 |
Yes, I was being a bit facetious.
We very rarely have possession without purpose. If we attack down the right, run into trouble, so go backwards, recycle it across the back line and try to probe down the left, that’s not possession without purpose. We’re invariably trying a version of that when it looks like we go back and knock it about for the sake of it.
Under Russell Martin, yes I’d agree we did do that and we also played high risk low reward football in our own final third.
As far as I’m concerned, whether we have 45 or 55% of the ball, the usual reason for dropping points is our front three. |
Umm, yes but the point of my posts re possession wasn't really about us in particular, it went that way because Russell Martin was brought up.
My whole reasoning is that Possession is merely one style and it's not the best way to success, specially when you don't have the players to do what the manager wants. And that was it, to win games you still need to score goals and all the possession in the world counts for nothing without goals.
I agree with you on the forwards, they have cost us points but now, with Cullenn making the AM position his own, we look much better up front, Hull aside where we looked awful all through the team. | | | |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 20:06 - Dec 27 with 157 views | onehunglow |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 15:35 - Dec 27 by raynor94 |
The only game we have been poor recently in my opinion is Hull, and I put that down to the 3 games a week schedule and squad depth.
To be in 10th at the halfway stage of the season with our squad is commendable, hopefully Williams will be backed in the window.
We have one of the lowest wage budgets in the league and are certainly punching above our weight |
Disagree.
Poor v Leeds and Sunderland . We did the hard work.
Millwall, scum and others .
Hopefully, sec can get it together and build | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 20:22 - Dec 27 with 149 views | raynor94 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 20:06 - Dec 27 by onehunglow |
Disagree.
Poor v Leeds and Sunderland . We did the hard work.
Millwall, scum and others .
Hopefully, sec can get it together and build |
Honestly, I can't see how we were poor against Leeds, we went toe to toe with them.
And a silly switch off at the very end cost us a richly deserved point
And we were excellent first half against Sunderland, but they deserve some credit for coming back so strongly
We will have to agree to disagree | |
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| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 22:51 - Dec 27 with 93 views | jack247 |
| Swansea City v Queens Park Rangers : Match day Thread on 20:02 - Dec 27 by SullutaCreturned |
Umm, yes but the point of my posts re possession wasn't really about us in particular, it went that way because Russell Martin was brought up.
My whole reasoning is that Possession is merely one style and it's not the best way to success, specially when you don't have the players to do what the manager wants. And that was it, to win games you still need to score goals and all the possession in the world counts for nothing without goals.
I agree with you on the forwards, they have cost us points but now, with Cullenn making the AM position his own, we look much better up front, Hull aside where we looked awful all through the team. |
Of course it’s not the only style of play. Counter attacking quickly is exciting and doesn’t require the lions share of possession or territory.
The part I take umbrage with is the notion that seems to be creeping in that having a lot of the ball is a bad thing.
In general I mean, not from you personally. | | | |
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