| Where hope went to die – Preview on 12:23 - Nov 9 with 1170 views | loneranger1 |
Many thanks Clive - as noted above, you somehow get the right tone at the right time (everytime).
Have found myself nodding along to so many posters since Tuesday's mess. This is nearly all on Nourry (and the board for appointing him ).
Rather than analysing the mess, most of my headspace is worrying about the club's next decision. Lots of posters seem to agree that Nourry should go but being honest, does anyone think the club will actually do that? Instinct seems to be that Marti will get the boot first, then Belk, and eventually Nourry- but it will be too late and who know what the mess will look like by then.
Oh, and massive credit to all Rrrrrs fans making the trip today, goes without sayibg but the club doesn't deserve you. |  | |  |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 12:30 - Nov 9 with 1146 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 07:20 - Nov 9 by GaryBannister86 |
He's listed in the Old Pauline magazine as having been there 2010 - 2015, so he was 18 in 2015 and therefore barely 27. |
So either he failed his GCSE's?
Or he joined at Middle School age?
Know some ex St Paul's Rs fans so worth asking if he's some super bright lad or a bullshitter. | | | |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 12:39 - Nov 9 with 1110 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 12:30 - Nov 9 by ParkRoyalR |
So either he failed his GCSE's?
Or he joined at Middle School age?
Know some ex St Paul's Rs fans so worth asking if he's some super bright lad or a bullshitter. |
He would have joined at 13.
I am ashamed to admit that I had the misery of going there (I know, I know) but he was the small matter of 23 years below me, so can't be sure really :-) |  | | |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 12:55 - Nov 9 with 1054 views | Jevlar |
A fantastic write up. As a season ticket holder that rarely goes to the away games, to the 1400 plus heading to gods own country, I salute you.
Today, we just need to field as many players that have some courage and desire and will fully run and put a foot in. Absolutely maddening that these basics are where we are. But, mostly I fear today will be a shellacking and Marti could get the boot |  | | |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 13:13 - Nov 9 with 975 views | mart_Goblin |
The Lisa Stansfield bit is utterly brilliant .
Lovely stuff.
As for Nourry , all I’m hoping for now is that he doesn’t want this car crash on his CV so he is hawking himself around to anyone that will listen to give him another role elsewhere so he can wash his hands of it all.
Wishful thinking because by all accounts the guy is a narcissist and arrogant enough to think he’s doing a great job .
By wishful thinking is all I have |  | | |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 13:35 - Nov 9 with 890 views | stainrods_elbow |
Beckett might have called hope the last human sentimentality, but unfortunately faith is pretty much all we have as fans to work with as irrational onlookers. We're all mad idealists in some shape or form, really, with our unstable and intolerant visions of how things are and should be. If you're tune in or turn up without any hope, though, you're basically a mug, a zombie, or both.
Although LFW's intelligent and well-informed think piece about Nourry did exhibit a healthy seam of scepticism about his appointment, it's stretching it to claim it was prophetically piling in on his arrival. In fact, it described him as 'young, fresh, vibrant, and full of new ideas', and, post- Retexos audit, with his 'eyes completely open', before, and rather ironically given Clive's apparent volte-face now on the topic, praising him for his 'future-gazing data approach', since 'QPR are miles behind most others on their use of data and analytics'. ln fact, it sensibly hedged its bets with the statement that 'we’ll find out in time whether this is the brave, revolutionary appointment we desperately need, or QPR’s benevolent and accident-prone owners being benevolent and accident-prone again'. All of which goes to show it's actually hindsight that's 20/20, or at least up in the high teens, even if the rush to judgment tends to be more and more the order of the cultural acceleration/impatience of the day in everything - and none more so among volatile fanatics like us. By contrast, Marti has more soberly asked us to wait and see where we are at the end of the season - assuming he gets to! If one or two of the new players can bed in further and develop, and we start to get some injured players back, things could conceivably improve. There's still a long way to go, but, rather clearly, the manager needs to get a tune out of some semblance of a team sooner rather than later.
Incidentally, for the record, and people can roll their eyes at me all they like, Lee Hoos is still Chairman in case any of you had forgotten, and with a seat on the board, though his self-advised advisory/supervisory role during our 'seamless transition' now seems to have shrunk to that of a glass-eyed sinecure. Another like Nourry, who knows nothing about football and never did, but is still doing whatever he's not doing behind the scenes.
It's really important right now, I think, to take more balanced stock of our recruitment, before things get even more hysterical on the topic. Of the incoming players, it certainly hasn't been relentlessly bad - in the words of the Mark Warburton, 'far from it'.
I divide them into three groups: FIRING, PROMISING AND FAILING.
NARDI
Has been very good overall and kept us in games - without him, we'd have been bottom with a points total in single digits. Exactly the type of keeper that most were calling to come in, even though the hatred toward Begovic from some (who's now back in the Premier League, so clearly some football professionals know something some here don't) was irrationally over the top, mainly for his Chelsea connections. FIRING
SAITO
Quick, skilful, and clearly committed, as well as impressing with his willingness to adapt to a wing-back role, however much his attacking prowess has been muted as a result of late. Needs to start in a front-foot capacity and be helped to find his groove. With the right handling, I think he could be as good as, if not better, than vintage Willock, though I don't seem him teaming up as well with Chair, who may well be on his last legs at QPR anyway. FIRING
FREY
Although I feel ambivalent about him as our lead striker, he came back clearly fitter this season and hit the ground running. Main issue, yet again, is we don't seem set up to play to his strengths, and he's been far too isolated. Could well contine to be top scorer into the NY even if he doesn't return any time soon. (SOMETIMES) FIRING
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VARANE
Clearly still adapting and has blown hot and cold, but another who garnered considerable praise v Sunderland. Has at least some of the makings, but needs, again, a run of games in a clearly defined role. PROMISING
DEMBELE
Manifestly gifted, though currently on the maddeningly misadvertised injury list. Started very promisingly, tailed off quite a bit, but clearly one who, in the right team and with the right coaching, has already shown enough to do well at this level. PROMISING
ASHBY
Hardly featured, but excellent recommendation by Mark Noble, and overall the kind of sound-looking loan you'd be wanting us to make. PROMISING
MORRISON
Ditto, but comes with an excellent Bayern Munich-trained pedigree, and hopefully one for the future. PROMISING
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ANDERSEN
Was actually one of the most highly praised newcomers last season and, though there are question marks about his physicality and endurance, hasn't become a poor player over the summer. When he's on it, he has the talent and skill to do a job in a floating role, I think, but has been peripheral and more ineffectual than effectual these last weeks, hence my Shakespearean equivocation. PROMISING/FAILING
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MADSEN
Indefensible. FAILING
CELAR
Signs of some stirrings v Boro, one reasonable strike, and has been a whisker away from his first goal on two or three occasions now, but his general showings otherwise seriously disspiriting, with a baleful vote of no--cofidence from Magic Hat. Hard, though not impossible, to see him turning it around. FAILING
SANTOS
Atrocious vs Boro, but, despite a dubious debut, hasn't been terrible the rest of the time. His abject performance in the above game was mainly down to a terrible selection by the manager, who hopefully hasn't destroyed all his confidence in the process. Not firing, not failing, not promising. DON'T KNOW
As for today, though I'm apprehensive, I suspect, against the odds, we may well scramble another gritty draw. Boro was not good at all, but, bad as it was, it still wasn't really a 1-4 game, more one that, at 1-2, we started badly, rallied slightly, but then ran out of ideas and steam in and got picked off at the end. Not that any of that helps very much.
In my view, we could, and probably should, have picked up a good 5-6 more points so far, which would have us at . . . 16th. We haven't, and we're not, and as Cifuentes says, is about achieving and not deserving. Lose badly again today, however, and Stoke will 100% need to be a game he wins, and wins well, just like last season. He may or may not deserve to be sacked if the shitshow turns even shittier, but his performance right now is as bad as many of his players.
You Rs/my arse! [Post edited 9 Nov 13:42]
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| Where hope went to die – Preview on 14:05 - Nov 9 with 821 views | GaryBannister86 |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 13:35 - Nov 9 by stainrods_elbow |
Beckett might have called hope the last human sentimentality, but unfortunately faith is pretty much all we have as fans to work with as irrational onlookers. We're all mad idealists in some shape or form, really, with our unstable and intolerant visions of how things are and should be. If you're tune in or turn up without any hope, though, you're basically a mug, a zombie, or both.
Although LFW's intelligent and well-informed think piece about Nourry did exhibit a healthy seam of scepticism about his appointment, it's stretching it to claim it was prophetically piling in on his arrival. In fact, it described him as 'young, fresh, vibrant, and full of new ideas', and, post- Retexos audit, with his 'eyes completely open', before, and rather ironically given Clive's apparent volte-face now on the topic, praising him for his 'future-gazing data approach', since 'QPR are miles behind most others on their use of data and analytics'. ln fact, it sensibly hedged its bets with the statement that 'we’ll find out in time whether this is the brave, revolutionary appointment we desperately need, or QPR’s benevolent and accident-prone owners being benevolent and accident-prone again'. All of which goes to show it's actually hindsight that's 20/20, or at least up in the high teens, even if the rush to judgment tends to be more and more the order of the cultural acceleration/impatience of the day in everything - and none more so among volatile fanatics like us. By contrast, Marti has more soberly asked us to wait and see where we are at the end of the season - assuming he gets to! If one or two of the new players can bed in further and develop, and we start to get some injured players back, things could conceivably improve. There's still a long way to go, but, rather clearly, the manager needs to get a tune out of some semblance of a team sooner rather than later.
Incidentally, for the record, and people can roll their eyes at me all they like, Lee Hoos is still Chairman in case any of you had forgotten, and with a seat on the board, though his self-advised advisory/supervisory role during our 'seamless transition' now seems to have shrunk to that of a glass-eyed sinecure. Another like Nourry, who knows nothing about football and never did, but is still doing whatever he's not doing behind the scenes.
It's really important right now, I think, to take more balanced stock of our recruitment, before things get even more hysterical on the topic. Of the incoming players, it certainly hasn't been relentlessly bad - in the words of the Mark Warburton, 'far from it'.
I divide them into three groups: FIRING, PROMISING AND FAILING.
NARDI
Has been very good overall and kept us in games - without him, we'd have been bottom with a points total in single digits. Exactly the type of keeper that most were calling to come in, even though the hatred toward Begovic from some (who's now back in the Premier League, so clearly some football professionals know something some here don't) was irrationally over the top, mainly for his Chelsea connections. FIRING
SAITO
Quick, skilful, and clearly committed, as well as impressing with his willingness to adapt to a wing-back role, however much his attacking prowess has been muted as a result of late. Needs to start in a front-foot capacity and be helped to find his groove. With the right handling, I think he could be as good as, if not better, than vintage Willock, though I don't seem him teaming up as well with Chair, who may well be on his last legs at QPR anyway. FIRING
FREY
Although I feel ambivalent about him as our lead striker, he came back clearly fitter this season and hit the ground running. Main issue, yet again, is we don't seem set up to play to his strengths, and he's been far too isolated. Could well contine to be top scorer into the NY even if he doesn't return any time soon. (SOMETIMES) FIRING
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VARANE
Clearly still adapting and has blown hot and cold, but another who garnered considerable praise v Sunderland. Has at least some of the makings, but needs, again, a run of games in a clearly defined role. PROMISING
DEMBELE
Manifestly gifted, though currently on the maddeningly misadvertised injury list. Started very promisingly, tailed off quite a bit, but clearly one who, in the right team and with the right coaching, has already shown enough to do well at this level. PROMISING
ASHBY
Hardly featured, but excellent recommendation by Mark Noble, and overall the kind of sound-looking loan you'd be wanting us to make. PROMISING
MORRISON
Ditto, but comes with an excellent Bayern Munich-trained pedigree, and hopefully one for the future. PROMISING
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ANDERSEN
Was actually one of the most highly praised newcomers last season and, though there are question marks about his physicality and endurance, hasn't become a poor player over the summer. When he's on it, he has the talent and skill to do a job in a floating role, I think, but has been peripheral and more ineffectual than effectual these last weeks, hence my Shakespearean equivocation. PROMISING/FAILING
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MADSEN
Indefensible. FAILING
CELAR
Signs of some stirrings v Boro, one reasonable strike, and has been a whisker away from his first goal on two or three occasions now, but his general showings otherwise seriously disspiriting, with a baleful vote of no--cofidence from Magic Hat. Hard, though not impossible, to see him turning it around. FAILING
SANTOS
Atrocious vs Boro, but, despite a dubious debut, hasn't been terrible the rest of the time. His abject performance in the above game was mainly down to a terrible selection by the manager, who hopefully hasn't destroyed all his confidence in the process. Not firing, not failing, not promising. DON'T KNOW
As for today, though I'm apprehensive, I suspect, against the odds, we may well scramble another gritty draw. Boro was not good at all, but, bad as it was, it still wasn't really a 1-4 game, more one that, at 1-2, we started badly, rallied slightly, but then ran out of ideas and steam in and got picked off at the end. Not that any of that helps very much.
In my view, we could, and probably should, have picked up a good 5-6 more points so far, which would have us at . . . 16th. We haven't, and we're not, and as Cifuentes says, is about achieving and not deserving. Lose badly again today, however, and Stoke will 100% need to be a game he wins, and wins well, just like last season. He may or may not deserve to be sacked if the shitshow turns even shittier, but his performance right now is as bad as many of his players.
You Rs/my arse! [Post edited 9 Nov 13:42]
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Begovic "back in the premier league"
That's like saying Scott Carson is a multiple Premier League winner.
How does being 3rd / 4th choice keeper prove those who thought he was rubbish, wrong? | | | |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 20:22 - Nov 9 with 541 views | stainrods_elbow |
| Where hope went to die – Preview on 14:05 - Nov 9 by GaryBannister86 |
Begovic "back in the premier league"
That's like saying Scott Carson is a multiple Premier League winner.
How does being 3rd / 4th choice keeper prove those who thought he was rubbish, wrong? |
Jesus Christ on a bike - I relay a simple fact amidst a long and detailed argumentative post, and that's your pitiful comeback? Wake me up when you have something interesting to say if you can muster it! [Post edited 9 Nov 20:22]
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| Where hope went to die – Preview on 21:33 - Nov 9 with 470 views | ParkRoyalR |
Stark preview but riveting like a good horror film,
On back if it I listened to Kevin Gallen on WLS Podcast,
Very sobering, we can't go short, we can't long, and our No 1 Striker should be a 3rd choice coming on as a 2nd striker for the last 20 minutes.
We're in the trenches for sure. | | | |
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