| MC has got to go 21:59 - Nov 5 with 51258 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
Sorry, but that has done it for me.
You don't put a right footed player, you don't trust, at left back, yet leave your left footed defender at right back.
Fcking stupid.
A shapeless, gutless performance. Players walking, not challenging, arguing with each other. No shape, no desire.
Something has to happen and fast as we have relegation written all over us.
***having had a good night's sleep, I don't want MC sacked, I just can't sit through this anymore. I actually hate this club at the moment.*** [Post edited 6 Nov 6:38]
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| MC has got to go on 01:09 - Nov 6 with 2411 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| MC has got to go on 00:51 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
Get rid of him then.
Same people who put this squad together for him will be putting it together for the next victim. |
“Put this squad together for him”
What kind of a strong manager/head coach allows that to happen and signs a new contract? |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:14 - Nov 6 with 2383 views | Northernr |
| MC has got to go on 01:09 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
“Put this squad together for him”
What kind of a strong manager/head coach allows that to happen and signs a new contract? |
"Head coach". You said it.
We're not allowed near him, because he's just the head coach.
It's a "collaborative effort", that's what we were told specifically.
So you're going to sack the guy you went out of your way in the summer to paint as having nothing to do with any of it, are you?
Can't have it both ways lads. |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:19 - Nov 6 with 2349 views | Hunterhoop |
| MC has got to go on 00:32 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
None of us have any clue who is responsible for the signings this summer despite your opinion.
If Cifuentes is not responsible for any of them then he’s a fool for signing a new contract with so little impact or influence and willing to sacrifice his own career. He seems like his own man not a weak yes man. [Post edited 6 Nov 0:36]
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Well, no, there are some clues. You just wash over them.
And what sort of manager signs a new contract? One interest in financial security. He’s (relatively) young. This is his first big gig in football. He built a very good reputation last season for himself. He’s offered a bigger/better contact and signs it for the financial security it brings. Who wouldn’t?
Even if he had some concerns on the direction of travel with Nourry, who wouldn’t? He can always still resign. He may get fired and get a massive pay off. And if those inside the game don’t rate/respect Nourry he can progress his career with his reputation intact.
We also have no idea when the extension was signed. None. Could have been well before he realised the signings given to him were poor and the game model wasn’t working. As you love to say, we just don’t know…on his contact front. |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:21 - Nov 6 with 2332 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| MC has got to go on 01:14 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
"Head coach". You said it.
We're not allowed near him, because he's just the head coach.
It's a "collaborative effort", that's what we were told specifically.
So you're going to sack the guy you went out of your way in the summer to paint as having nothing to do with any of it, are you?
Can't have it both ways lads. |
Manager or head coach we’ve not won at home all season and we’re miles off it.
Regardless of the cards he’s been dealt it a bloody disaster and Cifuentes has to take responsibility. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:23 - Nov 6 with 2317 views | Northernr |
| MC has got to go on 01:21 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Manager or head coach we’ve not won at home all season and we’re miles off it.
Regardless of the cards he’s been dealt it a bloody disaster and Cifuentes has to take responsibility. |
But whenever anybody says Dexter's Lab upstairs should take responsibility you leap to their defence. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:31 - Nov 6 with 2256 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| MC has got to go on 01:23 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
But whenever anybody says Dexter's Lab upstairs should take responsibility you leap to their defence. |
I would rather we still had Hoos/Ferdinand compared to what we have in place now but I think it’s laughable that Nourry gets all the blame for our sh1t squad and results this season and somehow poor Cifuentes is just a victim in all this. Management and those higher up have let us all down. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:32 - Nov 6 with 2254 views | NorthLondonR |
Football is a simple game really, which you can teach to young people... "don't admire a pass" is the very very first thing anyone should be taught. For some reason we simply cannot obey this rule and despite the rare appearance of players moving into space on Saturday, we completely ignored it tonight. Boro constantly played the ball forward quickly, or had their wide players switch play with everyone looking to find space. .. basic principles which unfortunately we cannot grasp, we are dreadful, our players aren't up.to it, it seems. Why have we got Kieran Morgan, progressive, forward thinking on Saturday, reduced to a shrinking violet four days later? What's happened? Football is a simple game |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:34 - Nov 6 with 2244 views | rbee |
| MC has got to go on 00:32 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
None of us have any clue who is responsible for the signings this summer despite your opinion.
If Cifuentes is not responsible for any of them then he’s a fool for signing a new contract with so little impact or influence and willing to sacrifice his own career. He seems like his own man not a weak yes man. [Post edited 6 Nov 0:36]
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Exactly right, we have pages of guesswork on here. |  | | |
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| MC has got to go on 01:36 - Nov 6 with 2228 views | Northernr |
| MC has got to go on 01:31 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
I would rather we still had Hoos/Ferdinand compared to what we have in place now but I think it’s laughable that Nourry gets all the blame for our sh1t squad and results this season and somehow poor Cifuentes is just a victim in all this. Management and those higher up have let us all down. |
Okay, well, we'll inevitably sack Cifuentes soon, and I'll bookmark this and come back to you this time next year. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:43 - Nov 6 with 2193 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| MC has got to go on 01:36 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
Okay, well, we'll inevitably sack Cifuentes soon, and I'll bookmark this and come back to you this time next year. |
Do you honestly think Cifuentes and his team have little responsibility for where we are now? | | | |
| MC has got to go on 01:49 - Nov 6 with 2162 views | Northernr |
| MC has got to go on 01:43 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Do you honestly think Cifuentes and his team have little responsibility for where we are now? |
Very little, yes. Very, very little.
I think he showed last season that he's a good manager, and now he's being asked to get a tune out of somebody else's idyll.
Going into the season with Celar and Frey as your strikers. Your only strikers. Okay, not ideal. Can I pick Kolli? No you cannot.
Spent the whole summer being told you have to shift Paal. Can't shift Paal. Wonder why Paal isn't that arsed at the start of the season. Paal injured. Where's our reserve left back? Oh, you've loaned him to fcking Dundee.
This central midfield. Do you honestly think Marti Cifuentes, 4-3-3 king, wants these central midfield options? We've got a fcking spotty teenager starting in the pivot at home to Middlesbrough. Do you think that's Cifuentes' doing/choice?
I just. I can't. He'll be gone soon anyway. Like I say, we'll look in here again in a bit. Probably after we've lost at Northampton.
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| MC has got to go on 01:50 - Nov 6 with 2157 views | Hunterhoop |
| MC has got to go on 01:43 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
Do you honestly think Cifuentes and his team have little responsibility for where we are now? |
A little? Yes. Root cause? No.
Hopefully I’m wrong, it’s all on him, and a new manager will solve it and show how these signings are all superb.
I spent most of last year being the boring voice cautioning against declaring Cifuentes a genius. He was imperfect and made mistakes. That is still the case. But he was still very successful last season. PPG under him (over 2/3 of the season) was a run rate of 10th, I believe. He faced every team in the league. With last year’s squad.
This year we have a different squad. Not completely different but 10 players different, which is significant. We are now dreadful.
A little responsibility, yes. But root cause? No. He had proven he can be successful at this level. Nourry has proven nothing. Belk has had far more misses than hits on player recruitment. I don’t think root cause is particularly hard to work out. [Post edited 6 Nov 2:02]
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| MC has got to go on 01:53 - Nov 6 with 2155 views | 1JD |
| MC has got to go on 01:23 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
But whenever anybody says Dexter's Lab upstairs should take responsibility you leap to their defence. |
This from the guy who said
“If we were performing on the pitch as most of us expected after what we achieved since marti took over them the mood would be different”.
Ned is beyond just being contrarian, he’s illogical. As the saying goes, you’ll die on that hill Ned. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 06:32 - Nov 6 with 1951 views | MelakaRanger |
| MC has got to go on 23:43 - Nov 5 by connell10 |
I don't think Marti is the real problem. |
MC is part of the problem but I alos believe he is also part of the solution.
Our real issues are above and below him
A number of players brought in this summer are simply nowhere near good enough, even for League 2. They are Sutton United standard at best.
Absent owners who employ a totally inexperienced Nourry and give him total control over everything. (CEO & DOF). Thats the real reason we are here in the first place.
Owners with zero football experience employing people with zero football experience to run the club and run recruitment.
The result (and results) speak for themselves.
Nourry has to go. And now. He is totally incompetent.
But until we have new owners - and owners who know football and know what they are doing - the situation is never going to improve.
If Ruben stays and Nourry stays then League 2 in 2026/27 is exactly where we will be.
Between them they have absolutley no idea.
I think Clive summed it up many many moons ago when he said we were being killed by the kindness of our owner(s). Exactly! |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 06:58 - Nov 6 with 1855 views | PlanetHonneywood |
Out of interest: who replaces MC? |  |
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| MC has got to go on 07:01 - Nov 6 with 1840 views | GaryBannister86 |
| MC has got to go on 06:58 - Nov 6 by PlanetHonneywood |
Out of interest: who replaces MC? |
Nourry. Logical next step. He's mastered CEO and DOF so manager for him. Maybe even player manager. |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 07:18 - Nov 6 with 1748 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| MC has got to go on 01:53 - Nov 6 by 1JD |
This from the guy who said
“If we were performing on the pitch as most of us expected after what we achieved since marti took over them the mood would be different”.
Ned is beyond just being contrarian, he’s illogical. As the saying goes, you’ll die on that hill Ned. |
And the likes of you just keep pushing your ITK agenda when in reality you haven’t got a clue what’s going on just like the rest of us. Keep banging the drum mate if it makes you feel better. [Post edited 6 Nov 7:19]
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| MC has got to go on 07:38 - Nov 6 with 1675 views | Juzzie |
| MC has got to go on 23:39 - Nov 5 by QPR_John |
In which case why sign a new contract. Surely you are not suggesting he is looking for a big pay off. |
Very few managers just end up leaving a club. Most get sacked. There has been suggested he signed the contract much earlier than the day of the fans forum so if it was in the summer then that’s when no games are played. Maybe something has gone wrong since then and this is his only way out now. |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 08:18 - Nov 6 with 1518 views | ParkRoyalR |
Heard after the game fans in R Block or Upper Loft were abusing Jimmy Dunne,
If true it's no surprise we're taken for fools. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 08:25 - Nov 6 with 1465 views | Watford_Ranger |
| MC has got to go on 08:18 - Nov 6 by ParkRoyalR |
Heard after the game fans in R Block or Upper Loft were abusing Jimmy Dunne,
If true it's no surprise we're taken for fools. |
It wasn’t really an evening for warm applause. He should have accepted it and walked off. Appreciate it’s not helpful but anyone spending good money and time to watch that on a Tuesday night is within their rights to say what they want in the immediate aftermath. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 08:31 - Nov 6 with 1402 views | stevec |
| MC has got to go on 00:51 - Nov 6 by Northernr |
Get rid of him then.
Same people who put this squad together for him will be putting it together for the next victim. |
Clive, your second paragraph tells us everything that’s wrong with a DOF and manager trampling on each others feet.
It creates this situation of pinning the blame on the fella we like less. Whether you like it or not, Marti bought into this (he signed a contract) and he is at least as culpable as Nourry and this other bloke who’s been getting a mention.
I say they all go if it leads to a clean sweep and revert to the manager staying or going based on his and only his, endeavours.
When I see the crap we are dishing out on the pitch, I want one man to blame, not a tri ad of men who we can apportion blame without ever getting to the bottom of the problem. |  | | |
| MC has got to go on 08:32 - Nov 6 with 1385 views | gazza1 |
If it is true what is happening about transfers in and out of the club (insofar as MC has nowt to do with transfers in & out of the club) then I fail to see how MC is to blame and even more importantly how it can actually work. The coach/manager must choose who he wants in his first team squad!!!! and who to play. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 08:36 - Nov 6 with 1356 views | ParkRoyalR |
| MC has got to go on 08:25 - Nov 6 by Watford_Ranger |
It wasn’t really an evening for warm applause. He should have accepted it and walked off. Appreciate it’s not helpful but anyone spending good money and time to watch that on a Tuesday night is within their rights to say what they want in the immediate aftermath. |
Too many of our fans have form for abusing the players who care (Dunne, Dykes etc) and being taken for fools by those who are just in it for themselves.
Giving Dunne grief is sadly not surprising and to be expected.
We have far bigger issues but our so called leaders reaction on being caught out for the 2nd goal was an absolute disgrace, rarely if ever have I seen a player so keen to demonstrably point the finger at others.
We need Cifuentes to wise up quick and we need the real leaders in this group (Dunne & Field) to pull all together otherwise we're in big trouble. | | | |
| MC has got to go on 08:41 - Nov 6 with 1339 views | wombat |
| MC has got to go on 00:32 - Nov 6 by Ned_Kennedys |
None of us have any clue who is responsible for the signings this summer despite your opinion.
If Cifuentes is not responsible for any of them then he’s a fool for signing a new contract with so little impact or influence and willing to sacrifice his own career. He seems like his own man not a weak yes man. [Post edited 6 Nov 0:36]
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Thats the model we are working to, marti says we need this type of player , and nourry cracks open the lap top and produces a list based on numbers, apart fro nardi whi i belive marti wanted , not one of the poresent squad were marti players , coupled with a massive injury list and a squad of nobodys we are fecked, |  |
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| MC has got to go on 08:41 - Nov 6 with 1329 views | Wegerles_Stairs |
Marti played Santos at left back last night which is inexcusable. Granted, we have injuries but Saito did well there when he came on against Pompey.
Everyone could see what was happening on that side throughout the first half and he didn't change anything. Again, that's on him.
Just look at the first goal. It is extraordinary. We've got big problems and Marti is certainly not responsible for all of them but he's certainly not blameless. | | | |
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