| Barristers Strike 09:39 - Jun 27 with 9277 views | onehunglow |
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| Barristers Strike on 22:03 - Jul 31 with 603 views | Kerouac |
| Barristers Strike on 21:52 - Jul 31 by waynekerr55 |
Nope - but as Jonalot says times have changed |
Funny old world...
People earning £100k a year have a right to live in a Council House and Barristers are apparently on the breadline.
Is anyone buying this rubbish anymore?
A question to the Socialists on the board.
Should Barristers pay more tax? Or do you support them in their strike because they are now the poor and downtrodden who are in need of a pay rise?
Who is it exactly who should be paying more to help the poor?
Set some parameters. |  |
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| Barristers Strike on 22:05 - Jul 31 with 603 views | Flashberryjack |
| Barristers Strike on 21:38 - Jul 31 by Sirjohnalot |
Quite a few at the junior end are on less than an equivalent minimum wage, with no pension, holiday etc. so yes I do.
Coupled with massive debts from Uni |
To be fair, that could be said of many professionals fresh out of Uni.
When I started my apprenticeship I was on peanuts. |  |
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| Barristers Strike on 22:14 - Jul 31 with 590 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Barristers Strike on 22:05 - Jul 31 by Flashberryjack |
To be fair, that could be said of many professionals fresh out of Uni.
When I started my apprenticeship I was on peanuts. |
The first three years they are on that. Many are leaving the profession. Bearing in mind these are your future judges, prosecutors of rapists and murderers etc. system is falling apart.
Gvnt don’t care, but we will not back down.
Court system is falling apart. We’re fed up of doing weeks of work for free. Would you, buy the materials for a job set for 3 weeks , book it in, and then on the day, customer says, ‘changed my mind, not paying you for job or materials ?
That’s what happens to us. |  | | |
| Barristers Strike on 22:25 - Jul 31 with 582 views | Kerouac |
| Barristers Strike on 22:14 - Jul 31 by Sirjohnalot |
The first three years they are on that. Many are leaving the profession. Bearing in mind these are your future judges, prosecutors of rapists and murderers etc. system is falling apart.
Gvnt don’t care, but we will not back down.
Court system is falling apart. We’re fed up of doing weeks of work for free. Would you, buy the materials for a job set for 3 weeks , book it in, and then on the day, customer says, ‘changed my mind, not paying you for job or materials ?
That’s what happens to us. |
Serious question.
What are you thinking of doing instead? | |
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| Barristers Strike on 23:02 - Jul 31 with 571 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Barristers Strike on 22:25 - Jul 31 by Kerouac |
Serious question.
What are you thinking of doing instead? |
I’m fortunate in that I’m 20 years in and have a very busy practice involving very serious crime, so I’m doing ok, still do a lot for free eg, I’m prosecuting a drugs case this week involving multiple defendants which has been taken out of the list at the last moment and moved to jan 2024 ! Won’t get paid anything till the case finishes.
Easily a month of evenings and weekends spent prepping that which will have to be repeated to get my head round it all again. All one fixed fee. Don’t get double for going over it all again.
We are saying we should be paid for that and for advices we write for free. (Which can take hours)
I love my job. It’s all I’ve ever done in the law and don’t want to do anything else. People in my position are joining the action for the younger people who’s practices aren’t as busy as mine or for the victims who have to wait 5 years plus for their cases to come to trial and lose interest and don’t turn up or to have ceilings that don’t leak or for jurors not to be to told to come to the trial and wear hats and gloves as it’s freezing or try to avoid the leaks.
Trials get adj as no judges are available or prosecutors or defence . Gvnt don’t care. They use the same nonsense they’re using against the rail workers or the junior doctors. They’re turning the workers against each other. | | | |
| Barristers Strike on 23:28 - Jul 31 with 555 views | Kerouac |
| Barristers Strike on 23:02 - Jul 31 by Sirjohnalot |
I’m fortunate in that I’m 20 years in and have a very busy practice involving very serious crime, so I’m doing ok, still do a lot for free eg, I’m prosecuting a drugs case this week involving multiple defendants which has been taken out of the list at the last moment and moved to jan 2024 ! Won’t get paid anything till the case finishes.
Easily a month of evenings and weekends spent prepping that which will have to be repeated to get my head round it all again. All one fixed fee. Don’t get double for going over it all again.
We are saying we should be paid for that and for advices we write for free. (Which can take hours)
I love my job. It’s all I’ve ever done in the law and don’t want to do anything else. People in my position are joining the action for the younger people who’s practices aren’t as busy as mine or for the victims who have to wait 5 years plus for their cases to come to trial and lose interest and don’t turn up or to have ceilings that don’t leak or for jurors not to be to told to come to the trial and wear hats and gloves as it’s freezing or try to avoid the leaks.
Trials get adj as no judges are available or prosecutors or defence . Gvnt don’t care. They use the same nonsense they’re using against the rail workers or the junior doctors. They’re turning the workers against each other. |
Thanks for the response.
Not having a go John, just asking you to consider something...
Builders finish work (which is usually hard, physical, tiring work) and then meet potential clients in the evening.
They schmooze and sell, they listen and try to accommodate the needs/wants of people who have no idea what is and what isn't possible and who have totally unrealistic expectations of what they can afford.
They measure up, do drawings, make multiple phone calls to multiple tradesmen, planning officers, exploratory excavations etc. and spend hours and hours and hours, every week pricing up jobs that they will most likely never get (there are usually at least 3 builders quoting for the job, the odds are not in their favour).
Builders do this...they accept it is necessary to get the work in through the door.
The jobs they don't get (the majority of the jobs they quote for) they accept they will never get any compensation for the effort they put in to providing a realistic quote....they don't have the promise of getting some money for that effort further down the line in 2024 (guaranteed by the government).
It is the nature of having to compete in the market.
People who don't put in the work, who don't earn a good reputation, go under...and those who graft and are successful are able to keep going and even expand.
The government aren't going to ride to the rescue, nor should they.
...just something to think about. | |
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| Barristers Strike on 06:08 - Aug 1 with 513 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Barristers Strike on 23:28 - Jul 31 by Kerouac |
Thanks for the response.
Not having a go John, just asking you to consider something...
Builders finish work (which is usually hard, physical, tiring work) and then meet potential clients in the evening.
They schmooze and sell, they listen and try to accommodate the needs/wants of people who have no idea what is and what isn't possible and who have totally unrealistic expectations of what they can afford.
They measure up, do drawings, make multiple phone calls to multiple tradesmen, planning officers, exploratory excavations etc. and spend hours and hours and hours, every week pricing up jobs that they will most likely never get (there are usually at least 3 builders quoting for the job, the odds are not in their favour).
Builders do this...they accept it is necessary to get the work in through the door.
The jobs they don't get (the majority of the jobs they quote for) they accept they will never get any compensation for the effort they put in to providing a realistic quote....they don't have the promise of getting some money for that effort further down the line in 2024 (guaranteed by the government).
It is the nature of having to compete in the market.
People who don't put in the work, who don't earn a good reputation, go under...and those who graft and are successful are able to keep going and even expand.
The government aren't going to ride to the rescue, nor should they.
...just something to think about. |
I get that but since the start of the year, I’ve had at least 10 if not more trials that have been taken out the day before, some to dates I can’t do, which means I’ll get paid nothing.
This is despite having actually done all the work on it. Having conferences with the cps or defence, read all the evidence, prepared cross examination, opening speeches. I guess the comparison im should’ve made would be the government contract a company to do a job, they dig up the road, do all the prep, buy all the materials, hire all the machines then say, “‘sorry we are postponing it for 18 months , you can’t do it then ? Tough…oh and we’re not paying you anything for it.’
Multi handed cases take weeks and weeks to get your head round. To be paid nothing for that is appalling. No other profession would accept that. This isn’t a Tory bashing thing, labour under Blair started the ball rolling. We’ve had a 35% cut in our fees. | | | |
| Barristers Strike on 07:35 - Aug 1 with 496 views | waynekerr55 |
| Barristers Strike on 22:05 - Jul 31 by Flashberryjack |
To be fair, that could be said of many professionals fresh out of Uni.
When I started my apprenticeship I was on peanuts. |
Yes but both you and I lived in different times. For example, Construction apprentices in London are leaving or not bothering starting as in some cases they would earn more in Maccys. Despite the fact that brickies are on around 500 quid a day on the bigger projects. We weren't paying a mortgage on gas and electric either. [Post edited 1 Aug 2022 7:41]
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| Barristers Strike on 07:42 - Aug 1 with 492 views | waynekerr55 |
| Barristers Strike on 22:03 - Jul 31 by Kerouac |
Funny old world...
People earning £100k a year have a right to live in a Council House and Barristers are apparently on the breadline.
Is anyone buying this rubbish anymore?
A question to the Socialists on the board.
Should Barristers pay more tax? Or do you support them in their strike because they are now the poor and downtrodden who are in need of a pay rise?
Who is it exactly who should be paying more to help the poor?
Set some parameters. |
Closing elaborate tax loopholes would be a start. | |
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| Barristers Strike on 08:24 - Aug 1 with 483 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Barristers Strike on 07:35 - Aug 1 by waynekerr55 |
Yes but both you and I lived in different times. For example, Construction apprentices in London are leaving or not bothering starting as in some cases they would earn more in Maccys. Despite the fact that brickies are on around 500 quid a day on the bigger projects. We weren't paying a mortgage on gas and electric either. [Post edited 1 Aug 2022 7:41]
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The daily Mail has done a great hatchet job in creating a myth of ‘fat cat lawyers’. I see the comments on here (not you) about not believing Bartister’s are on her bread line. People can either believe me and people like the secret barrister or members of the government.
All I can do is explain the reality. Rape trials being adjourned continuously due to lack of court rooms, people spending years in prison awaiting trials. I had a chap
Who spent 12 months on remand. We were constantly chasing the cps for downloads of his phone which on the day of the trial were finally disclosed which proved he was in Scotland at the time, 300 miles away.
Lack of funding, lack of staff. In prison when you’re completely innocent. Happens all the time. Gvnt caused this, too right they must fix it. It could be you falsely accused next time. If people like me, who care , leave, the next person may not bother chasing it up | | | |
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