| T' T20 & th'Ashes & NZ24 13:02 - Oct 25 with 28266 views | D_Alien |
Great to see Ben Stokes will be fit for the Ashes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59022351
The touring conditions will be particularly onerous this time round, so hope he's in a good place mentally too
But first up - the T20 World Cup, and a great start against WI, our nemesis in the last Final [Post edited 30 Nov 12:17]
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:35 - Dec 20 with 3276 views | 442Dale |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:36 - Dec 20 by D_Alien |
Although lacking in variety (not their fault) there's little wrong with our bowlers. Maybe pitch it up a bit more but as you say, they're almost forced into defensive mode by the fragility of our batting
Ultimately, the Aussies are just better than us. With covid around, maybe we didn't fancy a Downing St party on return... |
*drinks after a work meeting/test series. |  |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:08 - Dec 26 with 3014 views | Sandyman |
England 185 all out on day 1 with overs to spare. Same old same old... |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:14 - Dec 26 with 3012 views | D_Alien |
Its not often i'd say this in any context, but if - as seems inevitable even before the end of day one in Melbourne - we succumb to another embarrassing defeat, we might as well come home
The futility of the players spending any more time in covid-restricted conditions away from loved ones, without any proper match prep has never been more starc. We're like lambs being fed to lyons, totally green, with regular cummins and goings at the wicket
Sorry, there's meant to be a serious message in there... | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:29 - Dec 26 with 3002 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:14 - Dec 26 by D_Alien |
Its not often i'd say this in any context, but if - as seems inevitable even before the end of day one in Melbourne - we succumb to another embarrassing defeat, we might as well come home
The futility of the players spending any more time in covid-restricted conditions away from loved ones, without any proper match prep has never been more starc. We're like lambs being fed to lyons, totally green, with regular cummins and goings at the wicket
Sorry, there's meant to be a serious message in there... |
Dont they have they their loved ones with them on tour? There have been plenty of TV clips of them arriving at the resorts they are staying in.
If so maybe thats part of the problem….illy would have never put up with that. |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:39 - Dec 26 with 2995 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:29 - Dec 26 by pioneer |
Dont they have they their loved ones with them on tour? There have been plenty of TV clips of them arriving at the resorts they are staying in.
If so maybe thats part of the problem….illy would have never put up with that. |
Don't follow the off-field shenanigans, but is that right? Presumably that's being paid for by our cricket board?
Lots of stuff spouted to the media before the game, but there's no hiding from the reality
Time to go back to BoBoland... | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:45 - Dec 26 with 2981 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:08 - Dec 26 by Sandyman |
England 185 all out on day 1 with overs to spare. Same old same old... |
Well that clear the air meeting and everybody knowing what they need to do has worked a treat!!!
I'm probably with DA in that I wouldn't be bothered if they came home if they go 3-0 down in the current environment.
Edit: & they knock off a 3rd of the runs in just over an hour. At least Warner is out but not much of a consolation
I am trying tithing if we have won a whole day so far this series even when Malan & Root had a couple of decent partnerships
Really really poor [Post edited 26 Dec 2021 8:06]
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 00:12 - Dec 27 with 2766 views | downunder |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:29 - Dec 26 by pioneer |
Dont they have they their loved ones with them on tour? There have been plenty of TV clips of them arriving at the resorts they are staying in.
If so maybe thats part of the problem….illy would have never put up with that. |
Latest is that 4 of the wider touring party have tested positive for Covid, including 2 family members. All players cleared, play continues, but will not help an already hammered mental state for the Players. |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 00:51 - Dec 28 with 2602 views | D_Alien |
Bring 'em home
Its not sport, its ritual humiliation | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 00:53 - Dec 28 with 2594 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 00:12 - Dec 27 by downunder |
Latest is that 4 of the wider touring party have tested positive for Covid, including 2 family members. All players cleared, play continues, but will not help an already hammered mental state for the Players. |
The worst team to leave these shores for down under. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 02:07 - Dec 28 with 2551 views | downunder |
Might as well bring them home, no fight left at all. All out for 68 to lose by an innings plus. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:23 - Dec 28 with 2521 views | pioneer |
It would be interesting to know how much first class cricket each of the squad members played in 2021 prior to the first ashes test.
Not only were they undercooked for Australian conditions, they gavetheimpression they were undercooked for red ball cricket. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 09:38 - Dec 28 with 2451 views | TyroneShoelaces |
Only Root would have the chance of making a World 1st Eleven
Stokes and Anderson (on current form) might make the 3rds
The rest, well thanks for coming and we hope you get fixed up
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:17 - Dec 28 with 2415 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:23 - Dec 28 by pioneer |
It would be interesting to know how much first class cricket each of the squad members played in 2021 prior to the first ashes test.
Not only were they undercooked for Australian conditions, they gavetheimpression they were undercooked for red ball cricket. |
That’s what happens when you place too much emphasis on white ball cricket & chase the money of T20 & the hundred.
The Aussies play a high level of inter state cricket in the Sheffield Shield, out county system dilutes talent & coupled with the downgrading of the county game in favour of shorter formats it’s no wonder we get hammered. |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:46 - Dec 28 with 2359 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:17 - Dec 28 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
That’s what happens when you place too much emphasis on white ball cricket & chase the money of T20 & the hundred.
The Aussies play a high level of inter state cricket in the Sheffield Shield, out county system dilutes talent & coupled with the downgrading of the county game in favour of shorter formats it’s no wonder we get hammered. |
Worth mentioning that the Aussies won the World T20 just a couple of months ago
So in addition to getting that right, they're getting the long form very right too. It's simply not a level playing field
We can criticise our batting as much as we like, but it'd be like putting Dale into the Championship at the start of next season without any warm-up games
Only a radical rethink (omg, not another one?) will change anything | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 19:27 - Dec 28 with 2208 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:46 - Dec 28 by D_Alien |
Worth mentioning that the Aussies won the World T20 just a couple of months ago
So in addition to getting that right, they're getting the long form very right too. It's simply not a level playing field
We can criticise our batting as much as we like, but it'd be like putting Dale into the Championship at the start of next season without any warm-up games
Only a radical rethink (omg, not another one?) will change anything |
Agreed, however the aussies only have one beer and skittles competition (T20 or similar) which runs alongside the test series from mid december to end of Jan. outside of that ‘window’ the sheffield shield is played.
So their test squad do not play in the main part of the Big Bash T20 though they would be available for the play offs/ semi finals once tests finish. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 20:27 - Dec 28 with 2167 views | RAFCBLUE |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:23 - Dec 28 by pioneer |
It would be interesting to know how much first class cricket each of the squad members played in 2021 prior to the first ashes test.
Not only were they undercooked for Australian conditions, they gavetheimpression they were undercooked for red ball cricket. |
The point of central contracts was to ensure that the players had always the best preparation.
If you compare the 2010-11 Ashes tour to this one:
2010-11:
Started on 5th November 2010.
England played 4 warm-up games (W2 D2) at 3 of the 5 test grounds (4th was Hobart)
Drew in Brisbane. First test started on 25th November 2020
Won in Adelaide
Lost in Perth
Won In Melbourne
Won in Sydney
2021-22:
Started on 23rd November 2021
England played 2 warmup games against England Lions both in Brisbane
Lost in Brisbane
Lost in Adelaide
Lost in Melbourne
The 18 day delay in starting and the lack of preparation against proper teams in Australian conditions IMO is just negligent at the elite level. |  |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:28 - Dec 29 with 2058 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 20:27 - Dec 28 by RAFCBLUE |
The point of central contracts was to ensure that the players had always the best preparation.
If you compare the 2010-11 Ashes tour to this one:
2010-11:
Started on 5th November 2010.
England played 4 warm-up games (W2 D2) at 3 of the 5 test grounds (4th was Hobart)
Drew in Brisbane. First test started on 25th November 2020
Won in Adelaide
Lost in Perth
Won In Melbourne
Won in Sydney
2021-22:
Started on 23rd November 2021
England played 2 warmup games against England Lions both in Brisbane
Lost in Brisbane
Lost in Adelaide
Lost in Melbourne
The 18 day delay in starting and the lack of preparation against proper teams in Australian conditions IMO is just negligent at the elite level. |
The additional factor in 2021-22 was the 2020 T20 world cup - postponed in 2020 and relocated from Australia to India (and then moved to UAE) - so the window for warm up games was less (and what there was, was devoted to intra squad games as you note, which are little more than training sessions).
ECB or whatever they are now called had no control over the dates of the T20 world cup. They were set by ICC (= India!).
But the ECB still agreed to the revised schedule which was suicidal - bad enough having a rank poor squad but having a squad that is rank poor and unprepared was unforgivable. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:51 - Jan 1 with 1846 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 06:28 - Dec 29 by pioneer |
The additional factor in 2021-22 was the 2020 T20 world cup - postponed in 2020 and relocated from Australia to India (and then moved to UAE) - so the window for warm up games was less (and what there was, was devoted to intra squad games as you note, which are little more than training sessions).
ECB or whatever they are now called had no control over the dates of the T20 world cup. They were set by ICC (= India!).
But the ECB still agreed to the revised schedule which was suicidal - bad enough having a rank poor squad but having a squad that is rank poor and unprepared was unforgivable. |
Puts how bad we have been into perspective. One of the worse years in test cricket history
The stats on ducks are unbelievable
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59825697 | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:01 - Jan 1 with 1758 views | EllDale |
Interesting to note that other countries also seem to struggle at times to convert reaching 25 into a big score of 100 plus.
My immediate conclusion, which may be wrong, is that test players now are taking more chances than they used to with a mindset programmed by the urgency to score quickly in white ball cricket.
But England’s inability to get past 200 runs regularly is definitely a worry.
It doesn’t need every batsman to score heavily in every game, just one or two to post a big score per innings. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 04:03 - Jan 7 with 1517 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:01 - Jan 1 by EllDale |
Interesting to note that other countries also seem to struggle at times to convert reaching 25 into a big score of 100 plus.
My immediate conclusion, which may be wrong, is that test players now are taking more chances than they used to with a mindset programmed by the urgency to score quickly in white ball cricket.
But England’s inability to get past 200 runs regularly is definitely a worry.
It doesn’t need every batsman to score heavily in every game, just one or two to post a big score per innings. |
36-4 Anybody surprised ??
a spell of more than 70 consecutive dock balls with 3 wickets falling for those zero runs
Positive news is that the last 2 days may be rained off so we only have to make sure we don't lose 20 wickets today !!! | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:33 - Jan 7 with 1471 views | Sandyman |
Well, what an unexpected but welcome recovery. Follow on avoided, brave innings despite injuries to Stokes and the centurion Bairstow, and an entertaining Mark Wood knock.
36/4 to 258/7 will do for today. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:53 - Jan 7 with 1466 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:33 - Jan 7 by Sandyman |
Well, what an unexpected but welcome recovery. Follow on avoided, brave innings despite injuries to Stokes and the centurion Bairstow, and an entertaining Mark Wood knock.
36/4 to 258/7 will do for today. |
Close to our best batting session of the ashes so far ( not much competitio. A bit more of that application and some help from the weather and we could avoid a whitewash. Avoiding the follow on was huge. Don’t think Stokes will make the last test but he’s done his bit in this one. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 08:18 - Jan 7 with 1455 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:33 - Jan 7 by Sandyman |
Well, what an unexpected but welcome recovery. Follow on avoided, brave innings despite injuries to Stokes and the centurion Bairstow, and an entertaining Mark Wood knock.
36/4 to 258/7 will do for today. |
Went to bed at lunch after another dire collapse not sure where the next run was coming from
Woke up to find we'd been scoring at 4.5 an over since then!
A glimmer of light on a cold winter's day, great from Bairstow, Stokes & Wood. Usual shite from the rest | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 14:09 - Jan 7 with 1336 views | TVOS1907 |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 04:03 - Jan 7 by Nigeriamark |
36-4 Anybody surprised ??
a spell of more than 70 consecutive dock balls with 3 wickets falling for those zero runs
Positive news is that the last 2 days may be rained off so we only have to make sure we don't lose 20 wickets today !!! |
Are dock balls those the batsmen leave? |  |
| When I was your age, I used to enjoy the odd game of tennis. Or was it golf? |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 14:45 - Jan 7 with 1315 views | DaleiLama |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 14:09 - Jan 7 by TVOS1907 |
Are dock balls those the batsmen leave? |
Suspect an autocorrect - either spell check or voice translation of dot ball ...... unless there were nettles in the outfield? 
Or I've been whooshed? |  |
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