| T' T20 & th'Ashes & NZ24 13:02 - Oct 25 with 28267 views | D_Alien |
Great to see Ben Stokes will be fit for the Ashes
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/59022351
The touring conditions will be particularly onerous this time round, so hope he's in a good place mentally too
But first up - the T20 World Cup, and a great start against WI, our nemesis in the last Final [Post edited 30 Nov 12:17]
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 09:51 - Dec 16 with 2868 views | AtThePeake |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 09:47 - Dec 16 by AtThePeake |
This has been spirit-crushing. Chances spurned and now Warner & Labuschagne look like they could stay there forever while the bowling attack looks to be completely lacking in variety. Could be another long few days. |
Just doing my bit!
Warner gone for 95. |  |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:41 - Dec 16 with 2808 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 09:51 - Dec 16 by AtThePeake |
Just doing my bit!
Warner gone for 95. |
Going to be 37degrees for our second day in the field.Just as well we saved our 30 something year olds for this test.
Interesting how Aussies dont rest their players…until the series is won. |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:31 - Dec 16 with 2741 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:41 - Dec 16 by pioneer |
Going to be 37degrees for our second day in the field.Just as well we saved our 30 something year olds for this test.
Interesting how Aussies dont rest their players…until the series is won. |
Cummings & Hazlewood being absent just gives their up-and-coming quicks chance to get some experience with a sizeable total on the board
From the sublime (Harris) to the ridiculous (Labuschagne) for Buttler, with the earlier drop somewhere in between
Still annoying to see Stokes doing insane acrobatics in the field then flexing his knee as if to say "Oh, that's tweaked it a bit more". Tbf, didn't seem to affect his bowling but it's only a matter of time. Fielding mainly at mid-on/off guarantees he's got frequent long chases to the boundary | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:30 - Dec 17 with 2540 views | watford_dale |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:31 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
Cummings & Hazlewood being absent just gives their up-and-coming quicks chance to get some experience with a sizeable total on the board
From the sublime (Harris) to the ridiculous (Labuschagne) for Buttler, with the earlier drop somewhere in between
Still annoying to see Stokes doing insane acrobatics in the field then flexing his knee as if to say "Oh, that's tweaked it a bit more". Tbf, didn't seem to affect his bowling but it's only a matter of time. Fielding mainly at mid-on/off guarantees he's got frequent long chases to the boundary |
Australia's numbers 2 -4 accounted for 291 of the 473 runs.
I believe Warner and Labuschagne let the first 30 balls go before scoring the first run of their totals.
Burns - 3 balls and out, Hameed 21 balls and out. Need to start leaving them and going for the bad balls. Root in at 12 - 2.
Still early doors but thank god for the thunderstorm and England may need to recalibrate their sights and focus on round the clock rain dances to save this test. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:21 - Dec 18 with 2377 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:30 - Dec 17 by watford_dale |
Australia's numbers 2 -4 accounted for 291 of the 473 runs.
I believe Warner and Labuschagne let the first 30 balls go before scoring the first run of their totals.
Burns - 3 balls and out, Hameed 21 balls and out. Need to start leaving them and going for the bad balls. Root in at 12 - 2.
Still early doors but thank god for the thunderstorm and England may need to recalibrate their sights and focus on round the clock rain dances to save this test. |
Needs more than a flash of lightning to save us now.236 all out including a 138 run partnership between Root & Malan for the 3rd wicket. other than that partnership, non of the other top 6 partnerships made it to 10 runs.
Pathetic performance. What makes it poor is that the games are almost over after 2 days. On paper not a big gap, and our bowlers are putting in a decent shift. However our batsmen just haven't got the same mental strength as the Aussies. The catching hasn't helped either
could be a 5-0 series if we are not careful |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:32 - Dec 18 with 2366 views | pioneer |
I didnt like the way Richardson was peppering Broad with short stuff. Who is he trying to impress, because an ‘0 fer’ wont do it.
It was completely unnecessary.
Ironic that it was a Richardson who was among the Aussie batsmen who moaned about Larwood and Voce’s bowling at the Adelaide test in 1932. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:02 - Dec 18 with 2338 views | finberty |
With better planning, England could have gone into this with three express bowlers of their own.
Over-bowling (arguably by Root in respect of Jofra Archer) and lack of physical preparation and care meant that two of them were non-starters.
By contrast, Australia were able to start with their first choice express men, with others in reserve to come through.
Also, England's cricketing authority believes that white ball is the saviour of the game, and everything is geared to that. Put the national team into a patient five day game with a moving red ball and the flaws in that policy become too apparent.
It was always going to be tough, but the ECB has made it all the more so. |  | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:42 - Dec 18 with 2304 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:02 - Dec 18 by finberty |
With better planning, England could have gone into this with three express bowlers of their own.
Over-bowling (arguably by Root in respect of Jofra Archer) and lack of physical preparation and care meant that two of them were non-starters.
By contrast, Australia were able to start with their first choice express men, with others in reserve to come through.
Also, England's cricketing authority believes that white ball is the saviour of the game, and everything is geared to that. Put the national team into a patient five day game with a moving red ball and the flaws in that policy become too apparent.
It was always going to be tough, but the ECB has made it all the more so. |
Just seen on TMS that in 5 of the last 6 tests the Aussies have had a lead of more than 200 runs after the first innings | | | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 13:47 - Dec 18 with 2210 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:32 - Dec 18 by pioneer |
I didnt like the way Richardson was peppering Broad with short stuff. Who is he trying to impress, because an ‘0 fer’ wont do it.
It was completely unnecessary.
Ironic that it was a Richardson who was among the Aussie batsmen who moaned about Larwood and Voce’s bowling at the Adelaide test in 1932. |
Richardson looked seriously discombobulated by being the only Aussie bowler the England batsmen took any advantage of. As you say, it was completely unnecessary and won't do him any good when he's dropped when Cummins returns
Talking of dropping, my changes for the next test:
Bairstow in as keeper in place of Buttler (really sad about this one since i've been looking for Buttler to succeed in the longer game)
Crawley in for Burns. A steadier opening partner might help Hameed too, but Crawley will be coming into the firing line cold (still a better bet than Burns)
Wood in for Woakes, who offers nothing with the ball in Aussie conditions | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 16:33 - Dec 18 with 2145 views | rich_dale |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 11:02 - Dec 18 by finberty |
With better planning, England could have gone into this with three express bowlers of their own.
Over-bowling (arguably by Root in respect of Jofra Archer) and lack of physical preparation and care meant that two of them were non-starters.
By contrast, Australia were able to start with their first choice express men, with others in reserve to come through.
Also, England's cricketing authority believes that white ball is the saviour of the game, and everything is geared to that. Put the national team into a patient five day game with a moving red ball and the flaws in that policy become too apparent.
It was always going to be tough, but the ECB has made it all the more so. |
Agree with this, this is mainly on the ECB for prioritising white ball cricket and not developing players (particularly batters and spinners) to compete at this level.
You can point the finger at Silverwood for the sloppiness with the fielding plus the tactics at times, and I'd argue we could do with a new coach, but the fundamental reason this is a disastrous tour is the lack of real quality in technique and mental strength in the batting and the lack of a decent spinner.
Archer seems to be injury prone and we've missed Stone too, but yes Root has overbowled the former, partly as Anderson and Broad are getting old. Wood also doesn't seem to be able to play every game which hampers our fast bowling options. Foakes should be playing too, using Buttler and Bairstow behind the stumps smacks of a bits n pieces approach, need to pick the best specialist keeper we have (who can actually bat pretty well too).
Compare this team to the team we had in 2010-11, the top 7 were all averaging 40 abroad - now it's just Root. He's not the best captain but happens to be captain in an era where we simply haven't got enough batters to compete in test cricket. Also there are no obvious successors to take over. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 16:42 - Dec 18 with 2129 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 16:33 - Dec 18 by rich_dale |
Agree with this, this is mainly on the ECB for prioritising white ball cricket and not developing players (particularly batters and spinners) to compete at this level.
You can point the finger at Silverwood for the sloppiness with the fielding plus the tactics at times, and I'd argue we could do with a new coach, but the fundamental reason this is a disastrous tour is the lack of real quality in technique and mental strength in the batting and the lack of a decent spinner.
Archer seems to be injury prone and we've missed Stone too, but yes Root has overbowled the former, partly as Anderson and Broad are getting old. Wood also doesn't seem to be able to play every game which hampers our fast bowling options. Foakes should be playing too, using Buttler and Bairstow behind the stumps smacks of a bits n pieces approach, need to pick the best specialist keeper we have (who can actually bat pretty well too).
Compare this team to the team we had in 2010-11, the top 7 were all averaging 40 abroad - now it's just Root. He's not the best captain but happens to be captain in an era where we simply haven't got enough batters to compete in test cricket. Also there are no obvious successors to take over. |
Aren't the top 7 averaging 40 now - between them!!! | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 16:44 - Dec 18 with 2126 views | rich_dale |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 16:42 - Dec 18 by Nigeriamark |
Aren't the top 7 averaging 40 now - between them!!! |
Ha yes good shout. Broad and Anderson's partnership today was one of our best! | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 04:25 - Dec 19 with 2018 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:31 - Dec 16 by D_Alien |
Cummings & Hazlewood being absent just gives their up-and-coming quicks chance to get some experience with a sizeable total on the board
From the sublime (Harris) to the ridiculous (Labuschagne) for Buttler, with the earlier drop somewhere in between
Still annoying to see Stokes doing insane acrobatics in the field then flexing his knee as if to say "Oh, that's tweaked it a bit more". Tbf, didn't seem to affect his bowling but it's only a matter of time. Fielding mainly at mid-on/off guarantees he's got frequent long chases to the boundary |
And now... sublime to ridiculous in the space of two balls for Buttler
Root injured in the "warm up", beyond even ridiculous | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:02 - Dec 19 with 2000 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 04:25 - Dec 19 by D_Alien |
And now... sublime to ridiculous in the space of two balls for Buttler
Root injured in the "warm up", beyond even ridiculous |
Unfortunately his good catches are not making up for his drops. Like yourself I really wanted him to do well in tests but time for a rest. Is Foakes in the squad? Bairstow may be a decent shout, but it's not as if Foakes is a poor batsmen. He seems to have shown decent application with the bat. Barstow can be hit or miss. Whoever it is, Buttler has to be dropped ( along with a few of the top order)
468 to win [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 7:53]
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:35 - Dec 19 with 1935 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 07:02 - Dec 19 by Nigeriamark |
Unfortunately his good catches are not making up for his drops. Like yourself I really wanted him to do well in tests but time for a rest. Is Foakes in the squad? Bairstow may be a decent shout, but it's not as if Foakes is a poor batsmen. He seems to have shown decent application with the bat. Barstow can be hit or miss. Whoever it is, Buttler has to be dropped ( along with a few of the top order)
468 to win [Post edited 19 Dec 2021 7:53]
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I suggested Bairstow since Foakes (who was touring with the B squad) has now gone home. They all have, apparently | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:24 - Dec 19 with 1870 views | DaleiLama |
Watching the end of England's defence, I was reminded that there's always someone worse off than you. How Root is going to get any sleep tonight is beyond me. |  |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:27 - Dec 19 with 1862 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:24 - Dec 19 by DaleiLama |
Watching the end of England's defence, I was reminded that there's always someone worse off than you. How Root is going to get any sleep tonight is beyond me. |
Might be hoping he doesn't?
If he manages to drift off, he'll find himself having his nether regions whacked repeatedly by Mitchell Starc, like the scene from Casino Royale | |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 13:46 - Dec 19 with 1801 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 12:27 - Dec 19 by D_Alien |
Might be hoping he doesn't?
If he manages to drift off, he'll find himself having his nether regions whacked repeatedly by Mitchell Starc, like the scene from Casino Royale |
The rest of the batters needed a blocking yet he ended up with 2 on the day | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 19:47 - Dec 19 with 1712 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 13:46 - Dec 19 by Nigeriamark |
The rest of the batters needed a blocking yet he ended up with 2 on the day |
Meanwhile in a big bash T20 game mahmood takes 4 wickets, while billings and hales both score runs for sydney thunder. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 21:18 - Dec 19 with 1680 views | TVOS1907 |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 19:47 - Dec 19 by pioneer |
Meanwhile in a big bash T20 game mahmood takes 4 wickets, while billings and hales both score runs for sydney thunder. |
Hales excepted, the other two are regulars in England's T20 team and are playing a completely different form of cricket to the Ashes. |  |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 00:13 - Dec 20 with 1639 views | pioneer |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 21:18 - Dec 19 by TVOS1907 |
Hales excepted, the other two are regulars in England's T20 team and are playing a completely different form of cricket to the Ashes. |
So are the incumbents!
They are playing competitive cricket in Australian conditions, unlike the current England back ups who havent played any competitive cricket since . . . . . September? and none in Australia. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 08:47 - Dec 20 with 1579 views | Nigeriamark |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 00:13 - Dec 20 by pioneer |
So are the incumbents!
They are playing competitive cricket in Australian conditions, unlike the current England back ups who havent played any competitive cricket since . . . . . September? and none in Australia. |
Not sure what the rules are on bringing players in, but Hales couldn't be much worse if the top order fail in the next test. Mahmood may be a useful back up although our bowlers haven't been terrible | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 09:52 - Dec 20 with 1527 views | dingdangblue |
It's the hope that kills you.
The last England player hit wicket in Australia in Ashes Test was Denis Compton in 1947 at the SCG.
Brilliant resilience from Buttler but how English is that! |  |
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| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:03 - Dec 20 with 1505 views | EllDale |
There are some posters on Twitter savaging England’s bowlers.
It would be nice if the batsmen could get to 400 every now and again to give them something to bowl at. | | | |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:36 - Dec 20 with 1491 views | D_Alien |
| T' T20 & th'Ashes on 10:03 - Dec 20 by EllDale |
There are some posters on Twitter savaging England’s bowlers.
It would be nice if the batsmen could get to 400 every now and again to give them something to bowl at. |
Although lacking in variety (not their fault) there's little wrong with our bowlers. Maybe pitch it up a bit more but as you say, they're almost forced into defensive mode by the fragility of our batting
Ultimately, the Aussies are just better than us. With covid around, maybe we didn't fancy a Downing St party on return... | |
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