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You can dance around with words as much as you like but he was a LABOUR Prime Minister, elected by LABOUR voters. History records him as such. In 200 years he will still be called a Labour PM no matter that he was the most right wing Labour leader any of us have ever known. It would be interesting to know just what people say about Balir 2-300 hundred years from now. Or even if history bothers talking about him at all.
Unfortunately (or perhaps otherwise) we won't be around in 2 -3 hundred years. However, I don't think he will have as prominent a place in history as Thatcher, for example.
Unfortunately (or perhaps otherwise) we won't be around in 2 -3 hundred years. However, I don't think he will have as prominent a place in history as Thatcher, for example.
I don't know, this illegal war, the Afghanistan thing, it's going to rumble on for a long time. The knock on effects for Europe have been and will still be massive. Blair is inextricably linked with all that.
We don't often see Thatcher on the news these days but Blair syill pops up, still tries to claim some limelight.
Part of Blairs legacy again today, a suicide bomber at Kabul airport. Threats of more terrorist attacks. What Blair started will be talked about for a long time.
I don't know, this illegal war, the Afghanistan thing, it's going to rumble on for a long time. The knock on effects for Europe have been and will still be massive. Blair is inextricably linked with all that.
We don't often see Thatcher on the news these days but Blair syill pops up, still tries to claim some limelight.
Part of Blairs legacy again today, a suicide bomber at Kabul airport. Threats of more terrorist attacks. What Blair started will be talked about for a long time.
It might be Mrs Thatcher is no longer drawing breath on our planet although her legacy still haunts.
Well he wasn't a 'leftie' and he was a New Labour Prime Minister (not Labour). But, yes, he was a detestable politician, like many others unfortunately.
In the eyes of the electorate he was ( certainly for the 1st election ) labour, red rosette and all , with many socialist principles but leaning heavily towards the centre or " 3rd way" , a hell of feat though, fooling all of the voters all of the time
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
In the eyes of the electorate he was ( certainly for the 1st election ) labour, red rosette and all , with many socialist principles but leaning heavily towards the centre or " 3rd way" , a hell of feat though, fooling all of the voters all of the time
He certainly fooled me the first time but that was it, at the second election I had walked away from Blairs Labour. It was Balir that turned me into a floating voter.
As stupid as Trampie yet you agree with what I said? I said Thatcher most disliked, Blair second. What do you disagree with?
Even the Guardian didn't rate Thatcher as bad as you mind,
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2013/apr/08/margaret-thatcher-transform-bri And it was a Labour government she rescued the country from. A 3 day week, winter of discontent, a financial bailout from the IMF and inflation at 25%. 1992-2008 being called boom years. Maybe Thatcher wasn't as bad as some paint her. Still Blair would come second.
I was on about the "Labour voters would ensure Thatcher came top" but, mun.
Her detractors would ensure that she came top... and that would include a few Tories as well. Sheesh.
It is far better to grasp the universe as it really is than to persist in delusion, however satisfying and reassuring. - Carl Sagan
He certainly fooled me the first time but that was it, at the second election I had walked away from Blairs Labour. It was Balir that turned me into a floating voter.
I can't stand the bloke, George Bush Jnr's puppet. His statement the other day about the UK having a moral obligation to help the Afghan crisis is laughable if it wasn't so tragic, it was his decision's back some 20yrs ago that has caused this crisis, Iraq the same.
In the eyes of the electorate he was ( certainly for the 1st election ) labour, red rosette and all , with many socialist principles but leaning heavily towards the centre or " 3rd way" , a hell of feat though, fooling all of the voters all of the time
I think he would have been equally comfortable wearing a blue rosette, or even the LibDem one. Whichever suited his plans for self aggrandisement and future earnings. He may go down in history as a war criminal but certainly not as a great Prime Minister.
I was on about the "Labour voters would ensure Thatcher came top" but, mun.
Her detractors would ensure that she came top... and that would include a few Tories as well. Sheesh.
Why does that make me as stupid as Trampie? How many Tory voters are going to put Maggie Thatcher at the top of a worst ever PM list? It's Labour voters who'll ensure she comes top. Most Tories would possibly vote for Blair and as we see on here, many Labour supporters disown Blair but they'd still vote for Thatcher as the worst.
Maggies detractors, on here at least, are mostly Labour supporters. In fact, to the best of my memory, all Labour supporters on here are critical of her. Whenever Blair is mentioned though, Labour supporters bring up Maggie and/or disown Blair as not being Labour, as Yr Alarch did. I think most Tories still would defend Thatcher.
Why does that make me as stupid as Trampie? How many Tory voters are going to put Maggie Thatcher at the top of a worst ever PM list? It's Labour voters who'll ensure she comes top. Most Tories would possibly vote for Blair and as we see on here, many Labour supporters disown Blair but they'd still vote for Thatcher as the worst.
Maggies detractors, on here at least, are mostly Labour supporters. In fact, to the best of my memory, all Labour supporters on here are critical of her. Whenever Blair is mentioned though, Labour supporters bring up Maggie and/or disown Blair as not being Labour, as Yr Alarch did. I think most Tories still would defend Thatcher.
I’d put the both at the top of my detest league table, for different reasons. Can’t stand seeing or hearing their names mentioned.
I think he would have been equally comfortable wearing a blue rosette, or even the LibDem one. Whichever suited his plans for self aggrandisement and future earnings. He may go down in history as a war criminal but certainly not as a great Prime Minister.
That is always a Labour voters defence though, Blair, ah but he wasn't Labour! He was elected as Labour, Labour voters elected him. Was Gordon Brown Labour? Because he stood square with phoney Tony. Blair considered himself centrist, so centrist to many that he was neither red nor blue but in my eyes he was just another self serving, self righteous, narcissistic politician who did what he wanted and sod the electorate.
That is always a Labour voters defence though, Blair, ah but he wasn't Labour! He was elected as Labour, Labour voters elected him. Was Gordon Brown Labour? Because he stood square with phoney Tony. Blair considered himself centrist, so centrist to many that he was neither red nor blue but in my eyes he was just another self serving, self righteous, narcissistic politician who did what he wanted and sod the electorate.
Gordon Brown? A suitable case for treatment. Blair? I thought you summed him up rather well.
Both are detestable. Blair wasn't Labour , just as Thatcher wasn't a Conservative,despite whatever labels they masqueraded under at the time.
you can say it as many time say you like but Blair's "new labour" was labour ,maybe not in your eyes but it the eyes of millions who voted for him and his party .When you put a cross in the box it was labour you voted for
"The purpose of new Labour is to give Britain a different political choice: the choice between a failed Conservative government, exhausted and divided in everything other than its desire to cling on to power, and a new and revitalised Labour Party that has been resolute in transforming itself into a party of the future. We have rewritten our constitution, the new Clause IV, to put a commitment to enterprise alongside the commitment to justice. We have changed the way we make policy, and put our relations with the trade unions on a modern footing where they accept they can get fairness but no favours from a Labour government. Our MPs are all now selected by ordinary party members, not small committees or pressure groups. The membership itself has doubled, to over 400,000, with half the members having joined since the last election"
"In a free society, the State is the servant of the people—not the master."
you can say it as many time say you like but Blair's "new labour" was labour ,maybe not in your eyes but it the eyes of millions who voted for him and his party .When you put a cross in the box it was labour you voted for
"The purpose of new Labour is to give Britain a different political choice: the choice between a failed Conservative government, exhausted and divided in everything other than its desire to cling on to power, and a new and revitalised Labour Party that has been resolute in transforming itself into a party of the future. We have rewritten our constitution, the new Clause IV, to put a commitment to enterprise alongside the commitment to justice. We have changed the way we make policy, and put our relations with the trade unions on a modern footing where they accept they can get fairness but no favours from a Labour government. Our MPs are all now selected by ordinary party members, not small committees or pressure groups. The membership itself has doubled, to over 400,000, with half the members having joined since the last election"
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