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The Tory giveaway budget. on 09:09 - Nov 1 by Catullus
You can follow the Momentum line and name call wjilst slating anything you don't like as lies, or you could debate it and present facts to back up your argument.
Persist in denial and insults and all you do is look daft.
So come on, you can be bothered to answer others so tell me, where am I going wrong? Did Corbyn not promise to wipe out ALL student debt then backtrack, did he not lie about not having a seat on a train, has he not invited terrorist sympathisers to Westminster?
I agree with him about Nukes, just get rid and I'm basically all for renationalised industry just not the way him and McDonnell are planning it.
Labour may have (historically) handled public finances better but Blair's time left a massive hole that needed plugging and borrowing was always going to rise until that deficit was brought down. If Corbyn is such a sound bloke, if he is the answer, how come he's falling further behind such a totally useless bunch of Tories?
PS, this was a Tory giveaway budget. People fall for it when you put a bit of cash back in their pockets. You'd think a General Election was close. If Raab is right and an EU exit deal is close it'll be a double whammy for Corbyn. If it becomes no deal it'll be a nightmare for Hammond and May as the budget is rewritten and the give aways clawed back, with interest!
That's a good post. I will see if I have time later to reply to your points and provide evidence to support. Unfortunately as I usually post in work I don't have a great deal of time. However I did enjoy reading your post even if I disagree.
However some Tory voters are just c@nts. :)
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The Tory giveaway budget. on 17:58 - Nov 1 with 1783 views
The Tory giveaway budget. on 15:25 - Nov 1 by 100onZero
That's a good post. I will see if I have time later to reply to your points and provide evidence to support. Unfortunately as I usually post in work I don't have a great deal of time. However I did enjoy reading your post even if I disagree.
However some Tory voters are just c@nts. :)
I agree, some tories are and always will be c,nuts, but so will other politicians. I'm not a Tory, I'm a floating voter who finds choosing who is best impossible, instead I start off deciding who is worst and scrubbing them off my list until I'm left with just one, the least worst choice. It shouldn't be that way, there should be a clear good choice.
In case you missed it, because I have said it enough but I'll repeat it, I dislike, distrust and have a generally bad opinion of most of our politicians. Ask 'oh tommy tommy' he was fed up of my saying it!!
The Tory giveaway budget. on 09:09 - Nov 1 by Catullus
You can follow the Momentum line and name call wjilst slating anything you don't like as lies, or you could debate it and present facts to back up your argument.
Persist in denial and insults and all you do is look daft.
So come on, you can be bothered to answer others so tell me, where am I going wrong? Did Corbyn not promise to wipe out ALL student debt then backtrack, did he not lie about not having a seat on a train, has he not invited terrorist sympathisers to Westminster?
I agree with him about Nukes, just get rid and I'm basically all for renationalised industry just not the way him and McDonnell are planning it.
Labour may have (historically) handled public finances better but Blair's time left a massive hole that needed plugging and borrowing was always going to rise until that deficit was brought down. If Corbyn is such a sound bloke, if he is the answer, how come he's falling further behind such a totally useless bunch of Tories?
PS, this was a Tory giveaway budget. People fall for it when you put a bit of cash back in their pockets. You'd think a General Election was close. If Raab is right and an EU exit deal is close it'll be a double whammy for Corbyn. If it becomes no deal it'll be a nightmare for Hammond and May as the budget is rewritten and the give aways clawed back, with interest!
Couple of points mate, just for fairness.
He didn't promise to wipe all student debt. He promised to make education free from point of election, if elected. His final phrase 'I will deal with it' was from a longer interview that would have provided context to the phrase. Of course, our disingenuous press picked up on the final phrase only and, as per usual, the public was all over it like some demented pack of Pavlov's dogs.
Watch the interview here and make up your own mind:
Also, as much as I don't like to defend Blair or Brown, the Global crisis occurred on their watch, which of course had a massive effect on the deficit due to the bailout package. I don't see how they were responsible for the American subprime mortgage calamity which triggered the whole sorry episode though. I'm pretty sure the Tories also voted in favour of the bailout action too, though can't recall for sure.
Watch this video on the train issue too, it may not have been as straightforward as first reported:
Again, classic British media. The issue isn't the fact that the trains are always rammed, late, expensive and sh*te; an appalling service to the public running on an infrastructure paid for by the public. No, we'll believe ghouls like Branson who feast on the public purse like an insatiable vampire.
We should be hanging those who sold off our collective assets for a song (and still do), not vilifying those who want to do something about it. Though in fairness your post does mention that.
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The Tory giveaway budget. on 19:31 - Nov 1 with 1755 views
The Tory giveaway budget. on 18:45 - Nov 1 by Jack_Meoff
Couple of points mate, just for fairness.
He didn't promise to wipe all student debt. He promised to make education free from point of election, if elected. His final phrase 'I will deal with it' was from a longer interview that would have provided context to the phrase. Of course, our disingenuous press picked up on the final phrase only and, as per usual, the public was all over it like some demented pack of Pavlov's dogs.
Watch the interview here and make up your own mind:
Also, as much as I don't like to defend Blair or Brown, the Global crisis occurred on their watch, which of course had a massive effect on the deficit due to the bailout package. I don't see how they were responsible for the American subprime mortgage calamity which triggered the whole sorry episode though. I'm pretty sure the Tories also voted in favour of the bailout action too, though can't recall for sure.
Watch this video on the train issue too, it may not have been as straightforward as first reported:
Again, classic British media. The issue isn't the fact that the trains are always rammed, late, expensive and sh*te; an appalling service to the public running on an infrastructure paid for by the public. No, we'll believe ghouls like Branson who feast on the public purse like an insatiable vampire.
We should be hanging those who sold off our collective assets for a song (and still do), not vilifying those who want to do something about it. Though in fairness your post does mention that.
I absolutely will not argue with your last point. The MSM and too many politicians have been guilty of selling this country short (self interests again) and blaming the very people who work hardest and/or are worst off.
Universal credit has been a farce, the cuts to peoples PIP have been thoughtless and tortuous and many people have been sanctioned when they did nothing wrong.
Part of the problem is there is so much spin and fake news it's hard to be accurate. I try to read media from left and right, for balance, but they are so far apart it's difficult to knwo where the truth really is anymore. In the case of student debt, even some of Corbyn's MP's thought he'd made 'that promise' but I will accept I was mistaken...like I have a choice
I do find it interesting that Corbyn ordered his MP's to vote through the budget that he slated, what does that say? Apparently he faced a revolt by around 20 MP's over it.
Maybe now the police are having a criminal investigation over alleged Labour anti Semitism, he has other things to worry about?
The Tories are all a bunch of liars thieves and dont give a fck about anyone else, but to cut taxes for the rich. Remeber the expenses scandal tories claimed 8.500 pound for a garden pond, so no Jeremy corbyn is a real caring person who will create a fair and equal society for the many not the few. Another thing to mention ... Shes putting their party before the people with brexit. The will do anything to stay in power.
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The Tory giveaway budget. on 19:26 - Nov 3 with 1549 views
The Tory giveaway budget. on 11:53 - Nov 2 by burty
The Tories are all a bunch of liars thieves and dont give a fck about anyone else, but to cut taxes for the rich. Remeber the expenses scandal tories claimed 8.500 pound for a garden pond, so no Jeremy corbyn is a real caring person who will create a fair and equal society for the many not the few. Another thing to mention ... Shes putting their party before the people with brexit. The will do anything to stay in power.
because no Labour MP cheated on expenses, yet the only 6 Mp's sent to prison for it are all Labour,
You couldn't be more wrong about Brexit either, she is doing what the majority voted for despite serious opposition from the vast majority of Westminster. Her determination to follow through on the referendum result has damaged her party not helped it. I'll also refer you to Corbyn's wife getting a good income off the backs of poorly paid Mexican workers, her coffee business came under scrutiny after reports that the coffee was produced by farmers in the country's poorest state, who earned 93p for each 500g bag sold here for £10.
As far as headline accounting goes, its pretty hard to argue with - even moreso when you think about the number of sharesale giveaways and businesses effectively gifted to the private sector to a bunch of mates for well below strike price. The Tories should really be running surpluses..
But. Whats under the surface? I know Labour tend to stack up lots of debt in items such as PFI. Factor in WW2 and the IMF bailout and the debts stack up for the blue team. 2008 ratchet up for the reds.
Interesting though, and most over my head. Would be interested in seeing some analysis for Governments which have been in power for more than one term too. (only so much damage you can do in 4 or 5 years unless your name is Corbyn)
"Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper."
I absolutely will not argue with your last point. The MSM and too many politicians have been guilty of selling this country short (self interests again) and blaming the very people who work hardest and/or are worst off.
Universal credit has been a farce, the cuts to peoples PIP have been thoughtless and tortuous and many people have been sanctioned when they did nothing wrong.
Part of the problem is there is so much spin and fake news it's hard to be accurate. I try to read media from left and right, for balance, but they are so far apart it's difficult to knwo where the truth really is anymore. In the case of student debt, even some of Corbyn's MP's thought he'd made 'that promise' but I will accept I was mistaken...like I have a choice
I wouldn’t put too much faith into full fact or any “fact checking” websites. Full fact is bankrolled by Tory donors with close links to the royal family. Most of these sites are tools of influence, not information.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
The Tory giveaway budget. on 10:52 - Nov 4 by Highjack
I wouldn’t put too much faith into full fact or any “fact checking” websites. Full fact is bankrolled by Tory donors with close links to the royal family. Most of these sites are tools of influence, not information.
Of course. But wheres the counter claims from the blue party?
Im a stuborn fcker and wont change my mind on anything. But give me cold hard facts and some numbers which provide attempts at fact, and i will. He has sourced his financials though.
Hopefully one of the accountants (or actuaries) here can explain how the red team can borrow less, pay back more, yet run higher deficits?
"Michu, Britton and Williams could have won 3-0 on their own. They wouldn't have required a keeper."
The Tory giveaway budget. on 11:03 - Nov 4 by PozuelosSideys
Of course. But wheres the counter claims from the blue party?
Im a stuborn fcker and wont change my mind on anything. But give me cold hard facts and some numbers which provide attempts at fact, and i will. He has sourced his financials though.
Hopefully one of the accountants (or actuaries) here can explain how the red team can borrow less, pay back more, yet run higher deficits?
The fact is that whoever is in power they always spunk trillions away on things we really don’t need like bombing the Middle East or having a load of submarines bobbing around in the ocean somewhere with nukes “just in case”, when that cash could be spent on worthwhile things like improving infrastructure for our booming population or curing kids with horrible diseases.
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
The Tory giveaway budget. on 11:17 - Nov 4 by Highjack
The fact is that whoever is in power they always spunk trillions away on things we really don’t need like bombing the Middle East or having a load of submarines bobbing around in the ocean somewhere with nukes “just in case”, when that cash could be spent on worthwhile things like improving infrastructure for our booming population or curing kids with horrible diseases.
Which comes right back to my basic and ongoing stance on politicians....they are all a bunch of self serving, lying, greedy, cheating and deceitful bar stewards!
Whichever party, whichever government, they do what's right for them and theirs and the majority can like it or lump it.
No decent, honest politician gets very far because they can't have decency and honesty leaking into government. The civil service is the most corrupt of the lot. The civil service run the country for the most part, the government is irrelevant in much day to day stuff. Ministers often don't have a clue what's going on and worse still, don't want to know so they have deniability. Making the best of a bad choice is all we have.
The Tory giveaway budget. on 14:03 - Nov 4 by Catullus
Which comes right back to my basic and ongoing stance on politicians....they are all a bunch of self serving, lying, greedy, cheating and deceitful bar stewards!
Whichever party, whichever government, they do what's right for them and theirs and the majority can like it or lump it.
No decent, honest politician gets very far because they can't have decency and honesty leaking into government. The civil service is the most corrupt of the lot. The civil service run the country for the most part, the government is irrelevant in much day to day stuff. Ministers often don't have a clue what's going on and worse still, don't want to know so they have deniability. Making the best of a bad choice is all we have.
“The civil service is the most corrupt of the lot”
Elaborate please?
And you’re wrong about ministers not being sighted on stuff, especially these days. It was partly true in the days when governments had huge parliamentary majorities but that hasn’t been the case for some time now.
The Tory giveaway budget. on 10:52 - Nov 4 by Highjack
I wouldn’t put too much faith into full fact or any “fact checking” websites. Full fact is bankrolled by Tory donors with close links to the royal family. Most of these sites are tools of influence, not information.
The main funding for fullfact is from the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust, the Nuffield Foundation and the Esmee Fairbairn foundation.
I’d love to know which of those organisations (full of the sorts of aims and people that would be roundly castigated on here as ‘PC gone mad libtards’) is ‘Tory donors with close links to the Royal Family’.
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The Tory giveaway budget. on 14:55 - Nov 4 with 1397 views
The Tory giveaway budget. on 14:16 - Nov 4 by exiledclaseboy
“The civil service is the most corrupt of the lot”
Elaborate please?
And you’re wrong about ministers not being sighted on stuff, especially these days. It was partly true in the days when governments had huge parliamentary majorities but that hasn’t been the case for some time now.
The Tory giveaway budget. on 14:16 - Nov 4 by exiledclaseboy
“The civil service is the most corrupt of the lot”
Elaborate please?
And you’re wrong about ministers not being sighted on stuff, especially these days. It was partly true in the days when governments had huge parliamentary majorities but that hasn’t been the case for some time now.
It was on that documentary, ‘Yes Minister’.
Do keep up,
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The Tory giveaway budget. on 15:07 - Nov 4 with 1386 views
The Tory giveaway budget. on 14:52 - Nov 4 by londonlisa2001
The main funding for fullfact is from the Joseph Rowntree Charitable Trust, the Nuffield Foundation and the Esmee Fairbairn foundation.
I’d love to know which of those organisations (full of the sorts of aims and people that would be roundly castigated on here as ‘PC gone mad libtards’) is ‘Tory donors with close links to the Royal Family’.
Michael Samuel, Lord Inglewood, lots of peers involved. Wonder what their motivation is?
The creatures outside looked from pig to man, and from man to pig, and from pig to man again; but already it was impossible to say which was which.
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