| Genuine question - from a Trust Member 19:19 - Nov 5 with 54473 views | marchamjack |
Were The Trust any part of the discussion process to keep Clement?
Thanks in advance. |  |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:08 - Nov 5 with 1785 views | UplandsJack |
I believe now that finally the majority of fans now see the light re Jenkins and want to see his removal immediately.
Therefore I urge the Trust to finally do what is was set up to do and that is represent the will of the fans, by calling, no demanding for Jenkins to be removed.
I doubt anyone cares exactly how it is done, i.E. if he resigns or even just goes on gardening leave for an agreed length of time. Just as long as he is removed.
Failure by the Trust, to push for this with all the remaining weight it has, will result frankly in the final nail being driven into the Trusts own coffin.
The Trust has a chance here to take one step to rebuild it's tattered reputation.
My message to those of you on the board is don't mess it up again, or its over for you all....... |  | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:08 - Nov 5 with 1783 views | TheResurrection |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 21:58 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
From what I read, there seems to be a nagging view in many people's eyes that you're hiding something by your reluctance to criticise Jenkins and the Americans. Don't worry Chris, I'm not one of them. I just think you're playing the usual role of contrarian.
I'm mildly surprised you think I made some sort of groundbreaking announcement there. Blindingly obvious I'd have thought. Many people have different views. Here's a helpful hint for future reference.. If the Trust doesn't make a statement on a hot topic, then it's probably because it either hadn't met to discuss it yet, or can't agree a line. That's the thing with committees.
I think I'll make my own decisions regarding my tenure though, but thanks for your concern. I'd retort with the usual gambit that maybe you should stand and put your money where your mouth is, but there's no point is there. There's always an excuse. |
I'd have been all for getting rid of Jenkins back then and the only reason I'm sticking up for him now is the time and damage that's being done by fans festering and living in the past.
But that's all your fault Andrew, you and the other Board members, because once again your indecisiveness and lack of any structured or coherent direction has allowed the confusion and chaos to run amok.
You've all failed us as fans and members, whoever is left these days.
You had a chance to show some balls and all you've done is retreat underground and got more cosy than ever before. |  |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:11 - Nov 5 with 1769 views | TheResurrection |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:02 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
And, for the umpteenth time, I completely agree that needs to change and quickly. |
FACK ME.......
How many times have we heard this????
You must be EMBARRASSED AS FACK to keep repeating that, year after year after year.
Time to hold your hands up and admit it's time to go. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:14 - Nov 5 with 1747 views | Darran |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:11 - Nov 5 by TheResurrection |
FACK ME.......
How many times have we heard this????
You must be EMBARRASSED AS FACK to keep repeating that, year after year after year.
Time to hold your hands up and admit it's time to go. |
It's done and we should move on. Jenkins and Co. were devious, the Trust were useless, the 2 entities will always be remembered in this way.
There's going to be a bitter taste in the mouth for a little while but there's no way I'm losing any passion for my football club and it pisses the fuçk out of me people moaning on like little girls.
We're getting older and we made our footballing dreams - but it was partly down to those 2 entities above so never forget that.
We've got a fuçking big game coming up and a league full year on year if we keep our heads and keep on keeping on. We're Premier League FFS
GROW UP!!!!!!!!! |  |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:21 - Nov 5 with 1729 views | Uxbridge |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:08 - Nov 5 by TheResurrection |
I'd have been all for getting rid of Jenkins back then and the only reason I'm sticking up for him now is the time and damage that's being done by fans festering and living in the past.
But that's all your fault Andrew, you and the other Board members, because once again your indecisiveness and lack of any structured or coherent direction has allowed the confusion and chaos to run amok.
You've all failed us as fans and members, whoever is left these days.
You had a chance to show some balls and all you've done is retreat underground and got more cosy than ever before. |
Your first paragraph is completely nonsensical.
I'm sure you must appreciate the irony of you now putting blind faith in the powers that be?
However, for once, you touch on the inkling of a valid point. The Trust needs to be more publicly proactive on the direction of the football club. A lot of focus in recent months has been around whether the Trust should retain its shareholding or proceed down the legal route, but similarly there needs to be focus on ensuring the club is making the right decisions and the right people are held accountable. Whilst I know the views of the Trust board are given behind closed doors to the Americans and those at the club, that also needs to be publicised much better. |  |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:26 - Nov 5 with 1706 views | UplandsJack |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:21 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
Your first paragraph is completely nonsensical.
I'm sure you must appreciate the irony of you now putting blind faith in the powers that be?
However, for once, you touch on the inkling of a valid point. The Trust needs to be more publicly proactive on the direction of the football club. A lot of focus in recent months has been around whether the Trust should retain its shareholding or proceed down the legal route, but similarly there needs to be focus on ensuring the club is making the right decisions and the right people are held accountable. Whilst I know the views of the Trust board are given behind closed doors to the Americans and those at the club, that also needs to be publicised much better. |
Ux with the greatest of respect, you and others from the Trust have been throwing out that line of better communication between trust and fans needs to happen....
So when the foook is it actually going to happen??? | | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:28 - Nov 5 with 1693 views | Garyjack |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:21 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
Your first paragraph is completely nonsensical.
I'm sure you must appreciate the irony of you now putting blind faith in the powers that be?
However, for once, you touch on the inkling of a valid point. The Trust needs to be more publicly proactive on the direction of the football club. A lot of focus in recent months has been around whether the Trust should retain its shareholding or proceed down the legal route, but similarly there needs to be focus on ensuring the club is making the right decisions and the right people are held accountable. Whilst I know the views of the Trust board are given behind closed doors to the Americans and those at the club, that also needs to be publicised much better. |
Who is passing on the views of the trust board to the Americans? |  | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:30 - Nov 5 with 1684 views | Uxbridge |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:26 - Nov 5 by UplandsJack |
Ux with the greatest of respect, you and others from the Trust have been throwing out that line of better communication between trust and fans needs to happen....
So when the foook is it actually going to happen??? |
I hope that happens very soon. If it doesn't, then criticism in that regard is well deserved. Not the personal stuff though. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:31 - Nov 5 with 1679 views | Uxbridge |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:28 - Nov 5 by Garyjack |
Who is passing on the views of the trust board to the Americans? |
The ones in the roles to speak to them. So, Stu, Phil and Will. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Memb on 22:35 - Nov 5 with 1663 views | TheResurrection |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:21 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
Your first paragraph is completely nonsensical.
I'm sure you must appreciate the irony of you now putting blind faith in the powers that be?
However, for once, you touch on the inkling of a valid point. The Trust needs to be more publicly proactive on the direction of the football club. A lot of focus in recent months has been around whether the Trust should retain its shareholding or proceed down the legal route, but similarly there needs to be focus on ensuring the club is making the right decisions and the right people are held accountable. Whilst I know the views of the Trust board are given behind closed doors to the Americans and those at the club, that also needs to be publicised much better. |
It makes perfect sense.
Have a facking plan and be decisive and see it through. When the heat was on the Board last season and when it was getting on top I got one of the boys to make a flag. The same flag one or two use in their avatars now. A lot of us chipped in for it.
That was the time, then, so we could make a mercy killing or take the revenge and get it over with.... What's gone on since has been a slow death and I've now got the impression it's all too late and we're just flogging a dead horse and all the negativity is having a major impact on the football.
Had the Trust had the guts back then to make amends for the fack ups and shown its teeth we could've all been United and made our position quite clear back then.
The Trust needs a change and the people in it need to stop being so arrogant and think it's all about them. It's not, it never should've been.
Stand aside and let the truth come out. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:45 - Nov 5 with 1629 views | Garyjack |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:31 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
The ones in the roles to speak to them. So, Stu, Phil and Will. |
By e-mail or one of those telephone things that someone brought up here earlier? What i'm asking is apart from Stu who is the SD, does anyone else from the trust actually meet with the Americans or their representatives? [Post edited 5 Nov 2017 22:47]
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Memb on 22:47 - Nov 5 with 1617 views | Uxbridge |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Memb on 22:35 - Nov 5 by TheResurrection |
It makes perfect sense.
Have a facking plan and be decisive and see it through. When the heat was on the Board last season and when it was getting on top I got one of the boys to make a flag. The same flag one or two use in their avatars now. A lot of us chipped in for it.
That was the time, then, so we could make a mercy killing or take the revenge and get it over with.... What's gone on since has been a slow death and I've now got the impression it's all too late and we're just flogging a dead horse and all the negativity is having a major impact on the football.
Had the Trust had the guts back then to make amends for the fack ups and shown its teeth we could've all been United and made our position quite clear back then.
The Trust needs a change and the people in it need to stop being so arrogant and think it's all about them. It's not, it never should've been.
Stand aside and let the truth come out. |
Ah, the truth that hasn't come out. Itd be lovely if you could pony up some detail on that. I shall hold my breath.
I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious with the rest of it. Lovely stuff though.
Last season, the Trust board had a decision to make from around this time of year... See if could work with them, putting the legals aside until the summer, or not. We stayed up, so it didn't do any harm in that regard. In terms of showing teeth, if things aren't going in the direction the Trust overall wants then I agree that needs to happen. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:48 - Nov 5 with 1608 views | Uxbridge |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:45 - Nov 5 by Garyjack |
By e-mail or one of those telephone things that someone brought up here earlier? What i'm asking is apart from Stu who is the SD, does anyone else from the trust actually meet with the Americans or their representatives? [Post edited 5 Nov 2017 22:47]
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And I provided the three names who do. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:51 - Nov 5 with 1590 views | Wingstandwood |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 21:30 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
As has been stated countless times before, we can't know what agreements were made between the two as we're not privy to the sale.
However, even if there was an agreement , just like with Guidolin and Bradley there are ways around that. |
Well perish the thought if Jenkins ("there are ways around that") has made a deal for himself where the only way he could be removed is if he receives a multi-million Pound payoff as rewards for insane incompetence.
Because in that circumstance? It is indeed in Jenkins best interest to blatantly pour as many tens upon tens of millions of Pounds of the clubs money down the drain...... A (got previous has he?) despicable low-life, parasitic traitor would naturally hang on with deliberate intent to be sacked. What an obscene state of affairs if that pans out! And what a complete and utter bunch of mugs the Yanks (and others?) would have been to let that happen! |  |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:54 - Nov 5 with 1571 views | Uxbridge |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:51 - Nov 5 by Wingstandwood |
Well perish the thought if Jenkins ("there are ways around that") has made a deal for himself where the only way he could be removed is if he receives a multi-million Pound payoff as rewards for insane incompetence.
Because in that circumstance? It is indeed in Jenkins best interest to blatantly pour as many tens upon tens of millions of Pounds of the clubs money down the drain...... A (got previous has he?) despicable low-life, parasitic traitor would naturally hang on with deliberate intent to be sacked. What an obscene state of affairs if that pans out! And what a complete and utter bunch of mugs the Yanks (and others?) would have been to let that happen! |
Last post from me for the night.. Long day tomorrow.
We know that the Americans rated him. They said so publicly enough times. On paper you can see why. Whether they still hold the view is the question but ultimately, if they don't, there's no way there wouldn't be a way to remove him. | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Memb on 22:54 - Nov 5 with 1571 views | TheResurrection |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Memb on 22:47 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
Ah, the truth that hasn't come out. Itd be lovely if you could pony up some detail on that. I shall hold my breath.
I'm not entirely sure if you're being serious with the rest of it. Lovely stuff though.
Last season, the Trust board had a decision to make from around this time of year... See if could work with them, putting the legals aside until the summer, or not. We stayed up, so it didn't do any harm in that regard. In terms of showing teeth, if things aren't going in the direction the Trust overall wants then I agree that needs to happen. |
So much fackimg waffle and so little of anything else.
The Trust has been blighted by a few blokes who have always thought it was about them!!!
And this goes on and on and on and we hear the same thing over and over and over, we have to improve, we must do this, or that, or whatever.
The arrogance in keeping going though, gees!! | |
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:58 - Nov 5 with 1551 views | Garyjack |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:48 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
And I provided the three names who do. |
You gave names yes, but you didn't state how they communicate. I'm only asking as you've already implied that the SD role held by Stu Mac is to gather information and report back to the trust board. So who exactly challenges the Americans on issues that the trust are unhappy with? | | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:01 - Nov 5 with 1530 views | ishootpeople |
Why should they be?
Who in the Trust is qualified to make football decisions? Its as bad as Jenkins being DoF |  | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:02 - Nov 5 with 1522 views | ishootpeople |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 21:40 - Nov 5 by TheResurrection |
The Trust is a laughing stock and you should do yourself a favour, and the right thing, and stand down, Andrew.
So you tell us now the Trust Board were split on going after Jenkins or defending him? Like what, a year or more afterwards?
Well who was, which Board members backed him and which ones wanted to pursue a strategy for his exit? I can't say I read that in the boring as fack minutes that come out each month??
I've never known the Trust so much despised by so many people as it is now.
There will always be a nagging feeling in many people's eyes that the Trust have been hiding a whole lot more than Coozes employment and club salary, and decisions like the one you've just let slip will make people wonder all the more. |
I know you hate my username but that is spot on. | | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:04 - Nov 5 with 1514 views | Garyjack |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:59 - Nov 5 by Swanseajill |
Gary, you could have met them yourself if you had turned up at the Trust Meeting.  |
I'm pretty sure the Americans wouldn't have discussed boardroom level issues surrounding the club with anyone at a trust open meeting Lor.  | | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:10 - Nov 5 with 1480 views | majorraglan |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:51 - Nov 5 by Wingstandwood |
Well perish the thought if Jenkins ("there are ways around that") has made a deal for himself where the only way he could be removed is if he receives a multi-million Pound payoff as rewards for insane incompetence.
Because in that circumstance? It is indeed in Jenkins best interest to blatantly pour as many tens upon tens of millions of Pounds of the clubs money down the drain...... A (got previous has he?) despicable low-life, parasitic traitor would naturally hang on with deliberate intent to be sacked. What an obscene state of affairs if that pans out! And what a complete and utter bunch of mugs the Yanks (and others?) would have been to let that happen! |
I am pretty sure I read that HJ still has a shareholding of somewhere in the region of 5%, so that would be approx £5m on the share sale price, and even more if they could keep the club in the Prekier League and sell it at a profit as part of a future sale. Can’t see him wasting money etc just to get the sack and a pay out as the loss in value of his shares is likely to outweigh any pay off. | | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:13 - Nov 5 with 1466 views | SgorioFruit |
What an absolute farce, joke of a club we are becoming.
Supporters trust? Don’t make me laugh.
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| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:17 - Nov 5 with 1453 views | IAN05 |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 22:54 - Nov 5 by Uxbridge |
Last post from me for the night.. Long day tomorrow.
We know that the Americans rated him. They said so publicly enough times. On paper you can see why. Whether they still hold the view is the question but ultimately, if they don't, there's no way there wouldn't be a way to remove him. |
I'm surprised there hasn't been a public request for Jenkins' removal by the Trust board in honesty. He has royally shafted the Trust and continues to perform his role poorly. There is more than enough reason to crank the pressure up.
In light of the views of many fans, can it be added as an agenda point for Trust Board meeting ? | | | |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:24 - Nov 5 with 1437 views | whiterock |
| Genuine question - from a Trust Member on 23:17 - Nov 5 by IAN05 |
I'm surprised there hasn't been a public request for Jenkins' removal by the Trust board in honesty. He has royally shafted the Trust and continues to perform his role poorly. There is more than enough reason to crank the pressure up.
In light of the views of many fans, can it be added as an agenda point for Trust Board meeting ? |
Sensible heads are needed, I fear for us if football is left to Americans, we are two months off a window, I pray to god that players are lined up for January already. February 1st might be the time to move Huw Jenkins on, depending on how the window goes. Change him now and relegation will follow IMO | | | |
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