| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts 12:21 - Jun 2 with 13934 views | rock1n |
I'm considering voting Corbyn - I'm so hacked off with tories and people know my views on eu I'm considering doing something I thought I'd never do.
I don't agree with much of what he's saying but he has earned my vote. |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:13 - Jun 2 with 1664 views | perplex |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 18:20 - Jun 2 by thenorthbankbog |
Labour in Wales are great for the NHS I mean it's thriving isn't it. Welsh Labour put building shopping centres in Cardiff before a failing NHS.
Where in the Constvative manifesto does it mention privatising the NHS? |
Do you really think they would put privatising the NHS in there manifesto , fcuk me how naïve are you ,they will continue to slowly bring in measures towards privatisation under the radar when and if the get voted in, but I don't expect you to be able to take in what they are doing. |  | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:17 - Jun 2 with 1657 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:13 - Jun 2 by perplex |
Do you really think they would put privatising the NHS in there manifesto , fcuk me how naïve are you ,they will continue to slowly bring in measures towards privatisation under the radar when and if the get voted in, but I don't expect you to be able to take in what they are doing. |
The biggest single measure towards privatisation of the NHS happened under a Labour government.
The Tories won't privatise the NHS.
None of them would. It'd be the end of the party for generations. | | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:18 - Jun 2 with 1657 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:11 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
I'm taking the view that I don't like either of them, so I'm voting for the one I prefer.
If everyone that I've heard say they would vote LibDem but... did, then some of those seats might shift. Mine won't, but I'm prepared to just see the way the cookie crumbles. In my case, it'll probably be Labour, but my constituency MP who is Labour, is very good, so that's fine.
I was chatting to him just yesterday. His views were interesting to say the least. |
If everyone that I've heard say they would vote LibDem but... did, then some of those seats Might shift."
Gower wouldn't, hence my vote.
Anyway, I think you're one of them "shy Tories" this time round. I've noticed your posts become more stridently anti-Labour this past few days. It's ok, you can tell us. It's a safe environment and we won't judge you.  |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:23 - Jun 2 with 1647 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:18 - Jun 2 by exiledclaseboy |
If everyone that I've heard say they would vote LibDem but... did, then some of those seats Might shift."
Gower wouldn't, hence my vote.
Anyway, I think you're one of them "shy Tories" this time round. I've noticed your posts become more stridently anti-Labour this past few days. It's ok, you can tell us. It's a safe environment and we won't judge you. |
Lol.
No. I voted for them before as you know, but I won't vote for this incarnation. The whole hard Brexit stuff gets right to the heart of what is wrong - they are pandering to the right, even though they know it makes no economic sense to do so.
My posts haven't become more anti Labour - they have become quite anti Momentum, as I think they have become very, very aggressive and quite misogynistic at times. | | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:24 - Jun 2 with 1643 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:18 - Jun 2 by exiledclaseboy |
If everyone that I've heard say they would vote LibDem but... did, then some of those seats Might shift."
Gower wouldn't, hence my vote.
Anyway, I think you're one of them "shy Tories" this time round. I've noticed your posts become more stridently anti-Labour this past few days. It's ok, you can tell us. It's a safe environment and we won't judge you. |
It's funny - btw - Gower should be prime LibDem shouldn't it. | | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:27 - Jun 2 with 1638 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:23 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
Lol.
No. I voted for them before as you know, but I won't vote for this incarnation. The whole hard Brexit stuff gets right to the heart of what is wrong - they are pandering to the right, even though they know it makes no economic sense to do so.
My posts haven't become more anti Labour - they have become quite anti Momentum, as I think they have become very, very aggressive and quite misogynistic at times. |
There is a certain amount of misogyny in some of the May criticism no doubt. May didn't help herself with her juvenile "alone and naked" jibe at Corbyn either mind. The campaign has been mostly distasteful but how the Tories have managed to blow a 25 point lead against this Labour Party is beyond my understanding. Unless they haven't of course. The pollsters are tricky buggers and I've a feeling some of the closer polls are a scare tactic to ensure the Tory vote turns out. | |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:29 - Jun 2 with 1632 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:24 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
It's funny - btw - Gower should be prime LibDem shouldn't it. |
No idea, I'm new to the constituency. We live in Penllergaer and it still makes me chuckle that it's part of "Gower". | |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:34 - Jun 2 with 1618 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:27 - Jun 2 by exiledclaseboy |
There is a certain amount of misogyny in some of the May criticism no doubt. May didn't help herself with her juvenile "alone and naked" jibe at Corbyn either mind. The campaign has been mostly distasteful but how the Tories have managed to blow a 25 point lead against this Labour Party is beyond my understanding. Unless they haven't of course. The pollsters are tricky buggers and I've a feeling some of the closer polls are a scare tactic to ensure the Tory vote turns out. |
Yeah I said the other day it smacks of a 'get out the vote' strategy.
Every poll recently, last election, Brexit, US presidential election, the results have been much more right wing than predicted. I suspect that this will be the same.
Of course I hope for a hung parliament - I think it's the best way of seeing a different approach to Brexit. | | | |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:36 - Jun 2 with 1614 views | londonlisa2001 |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:29 - Jun 2 by exiledclaseboy |
No idea, I'm new to the constituency. We live in Penllergaer and it still makes me chuckle that it's part of "Gower". |
Ah, but it's not THE Gower... | | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 22:35 - Jun 2 with 1587 views | marulia |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 19:10 - Jun 2 by longlostjack |
Wouldn't have happened in Germany, Sweden or France. The EU is a convenient excuse used by Ukippers. |
You are a complete Tw#t for saying that, Blair and his labour scum are the reason why this happened, they allowed this and after everything Blair has done with Iraq he'd still have us in the EU | | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 23:46 - Jun 2 with 1564 views | LeonWasGod |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 17:29 - Jun 2 by thenorthbankbog |
You are wrong it's not just corporates but every Ltd company in the country whether its B & Q or a local shop will be paying 26%. whose going to pay for this and the increased living wage? Margins are tight enough as it is with the whole country wanting the cheapest. Businesses are going to crumble leaving the large corporates with the monopoly. Which will suit Labour as not many people are union members in SME's but are in large businesses you do realise that Corbyn is the unions puppet don't you. |
Why do people want the cheapest? Because they haven't got much money. Why haven't they got much money? Because they're on crap wages and terms. And round we go, racing to the bottom.
Corbyn said tonight that the smallest businesses would get some protection against a rise in corporation tax. |  | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 08:15 - Jun 3 with 1543 views | marulia |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 18:21 - Jun 2 by yescomeon |
How does that story turn out differently with the Tories in power? |
The basic fact is that Blair and labour allowed this to happen, actively let these non skilled foreign workers in to our country, to take non jobs that our own people could easily do and certainly in our case forced our own people out of jobs they have been doing for years. Blair no longer in power still to this day has done his best to keep us in the EU! I know that there are lazy b#stards on the dole but there's people out there that want to work too and the jobs that they could have has been taken away by those that do not belong here. What we have created on so many levels are massive problems for our future generations not just now. For teachers, they now have to deal with so many kids that don't speak any English, the extra pressure on hospitals, housing, infrastructure, all from people that have no affinity to this country what so ever. I'm not against foreign people coming here like doctors or surgeons for example, but only those that have specialist skills and not those that take jobs from our own people on mass. We've already lost a whole generation of people that don't know what it's like to work, just look at how much harder it is to get a job now from 15 years ago, why? Because now the staple work force are now hired by agencies who mostly employ foreign nationals that they can get rid of at the drop of a hat on cheap labour.. how can this be right?! Is this the future you want for your kids? The fact is that if you vote labour then they want this to continue the way things are. Wales voted out of the EU, we had a democratic vote but you have carwyn jones and the old trout that is Leanne wood actively doing all they can to keep us in the EU also, can they not see what's going on in our country, why is everyone so blind here?! Leanne wood said she was surprised by the Brexit result, then clearly she is out of touch with reality and what's going on. The liberals are the worst of the lot though, these people and their like would have our country to its knees in just a few years with their wishy washy nonsense. Voting conservative is not the answer to all the problems clearly, but how can anyone vote for the others. If you want to get on in life then shouldn't the government help you achieve your potential? The labour mentality is that if you can afford to pay more then you should.... so if you work hard, create business, employee people, help the local economy then why the hell should you be taxed more. taxed on the nice big house that you've worked hard to get when you sell it or leave it to family when you die, or be put into a home when you become elderly and your house sold to pay for your care when you've worked all your life and those on the dole that do nothing get everything for free. What is the point in trying to get on in life when you have people like labour that see your doing well and want to take a large cut of the pie to waste, they can not be trusted with our money. | | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 09:05 - Jun 3 with 1522 views | karnataka |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:17 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
The biggest single measure towards privatisation of the NHS happened under a Labour government.
The Tories won't privatise the NHS.
None of them would. It'd be the end of the party for generations. |
Direct privatisation of the NHS by the Tories is unlikely but that's not really their end game. The clear intent has always been the creation of a state of affairs within the whole of our health care services where the free NHS is starved of funding making the conditions more attractive for private health care providers to move in to fill the void.
That is clearly not privatisation of the NHS per se but it is the thin end of a shift in health care provision away from the free NHS towards privately owned health care providers. When people refer to "privatisation of the NHS", this is the more likely scenario to which they refer by that misnomer.
This strategy has been part of the Tory agenda for decades but would never appear in a manifesto because it would be a massive vote loser but if anyone actually believes that this has not been orchestrated behind closed doors rather than in the clear public view, then I'm afraid that is extremely naïve. |  | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 10:05 - Jun 3 with 1500 views | Jack_Meoff |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:17 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
The biggest single measure towards privatisation of the NHS happened under a Labour government.
The Tories won't privatise the NHS.
None of them would. It'd be the end of the party for generations. |
I'd suggest the Health and Social Care Act 2012 would take that particular prize.
Also, anyone read/heard about the Naylor report? |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 10:37 - Jun 3 with 1489 views | yescomeon |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 08:15 - Jun 3 by marulia |
The basic fact is that Blair and labour allowed this to happen, actively let these non skilled foreign workers in to our country, to take non jobs that our own people could easily do and certainly in our case forced our own people out of jobs they have been doing for years. Blair no longer in power still to this day has done his best to keep us in the EU! I know that there are lazy b#stards on the dole but there's people out there that want to work too and the jobs that they could have has been taken away by those that do not belong here. What we have created on so many levels are massive problems for our future generations not just now. For teachers, they now have to deal with so many kids that don't speak any English, the extra pressure on hospitals, housing, infrastructure, all from people that have no affinity to this country what so ever. I'm not against foreign people coming here like doctors or surgeons for example, but only those that have specialist skills and not those that take jobs from our own people on mass. We've already lost a whole generation of people that don't know what it's like to work, just look at how much harder it is to get a job now from 15 years ago, why? Because now the staple work force are now hired by agencies who mostly employ foreign nationals that they can get rid of at the drop of a hat on cheap labour.. how can this be right?! Is this the future you want for your kids? The fact is that if you vote labour then they want this to continue the way things are. Wales voted out of the EU, we had a democratic vote but you have carwyn jones and the old trout that is Leanne wood actively doing all they can to keep us in the EU also, can they not see what's going on in our country, why is everyone so blind here?! Leanne wood said she was surprised by the Brexit result, then clearly she is out of touch with reality and what's going on. The liberals are the worst of the lot though, these people and their like would have our country to its knees in just a few years with their wishy washy nonsense. Voting conservative is not the answer to all the problems clearly, but how can anyone vote for the others. If you want to get on in life then shouldn't the government help you achieve your potential? The labour mentality is that if you can afford to pay more then you should.... so if you work hard, create business, employee people, help the local economy then why the hell should you be taxed more. taxed on the nice big house that you've worked hard to get when you sell it or leave it to family when you die, or be put into a home when you become elderly and your house sold to pay for your care when you've worked all your life and those on the dole that do nothing get everything for free. What is the point in trying to get on in life when you have people like labour that see your doing well and want to take a large cut of the pie to waste, they can not be trusted with our money. |
That's a lot of well worn rhetoric there. Speculative to the max to think that immigration would have been anything other than exactly the same under the Tories. |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 10:41 - Jun 3 with 1487 views | dailew |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 10:37 - Jun 3 by yescomeon |
That's a lot of well worn rhetoric there. Speculative to the max to think that immigration would have been anything other than exactly the same under the Tories. |
Lots of well worn rhetoric but few paragraphs. |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 12:59 - Jun 3 with 1461 views | Yossarian |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 17:01 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
That's because of the age demographic. Far fewer people over the age of 65 have a degree than people under the age of 35 which skews that statistic. |
Ah, but what value is there in a degree these days unless it's from Oxbridge or a Russell group.... |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 13:51 - Jun 3 with 1442 views | oh_tommy_tommy |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 08:15 - Jun 3 by marulia |
The basic fact is that Blair and labour allowed this to happen, actively let these non skilled foreign workers in to our country, to take non jobs that our own people could easily do and certainly in our case forced our own people out of jobs they have been doing for years. Blair no longer in power still to this day has done his best to keep us in the EU! I know that there are lazy b#stards on the dole but there's people out there that want to work too and the jobs that they could have has been taken away by those that do not belong here. What we have created on so many levels are massive problems for our future generations not just now. For teachers, they now have to deal with so many kids that don't speak any English, the extra pressure on hospitals, housing, infrastructure, all from people that have no affinity to this country what so ever. I'm not against foreign people coming here like doctors or surgeons for example, but only those that have specialist skills and not those that take jobs from our own people on mass. We've already lost a whole generation of people that don't know what it's like to work, just look at how much harder it is to get a job now from 15 years ago, why? Because now the staple work force are now hired by agencies who mostly employ foreign nationals that they can get rid of at the drop of a hat on cheap labour.. how can this be right?! Is this the future you want for your kids? The fact is that if you vote labour then they want this to continue the way things are. Wales voted out of the EU, we had a democratic vote but you have carwyn jones and the old trout that is Leanne wood actively doing all they can to keep us in the EU also, can they not see what's going on in our country, why is everyone so blind here?! Leanne wood said she was surprised by the Brexit result, then clearly she is out of touch with reality and what's going on. The liberals are the worst of the lot though, these people and their like would have our country to its knees in just a few years with their wishy washy nonsense. Voting conservative is not the answer to all the problems clearly, but how can anyone vote for the others. If you want to get on in life then shouldn't the government help you achieve your potential? The labour mentality is that if you can afford to pay more then you should.... so if you work hard, create business, employee people, help the local economy then why the hell should you be taxed more. taxed on the nice big house that you've worked hard to get when you sell it or leave it to family when you die, or be put into a home when you become elderly and your house sold to pay for your care when you've worked all your life and those on the dole that do nothing get everything for free. What is the point in trying to get on in life when you have people like labour that see your doing well and want to take a large cut of the pie to waste, they can not be trusted with our money. |
You do realise the Conservative party won't control immigration don't you .?
And your last (let's call it paragraph )using your life savings and selling your houses is in the Conservative manifesto.
You should be voting UKIP 🇬🇧 [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 13:59]
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 13:59 - Jun 3 with 1432 views | acejack3065 |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:36 - Jun 2 by londonlisa2001 |
Ah, but it's not THE Gower... |
Garnswllt is also in Gower. Go figure. |  | | |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 14:12 - Jun 3 with 1429 views | thenorthbankbog |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 23:46 - Jun 2 by LeonWasGod |
Why do people want the cheapest? Because they haven't got much money. Why haven't they got much money? Because they're on crap wages and terms. And round we go, racing to the bottom.
Corbyn said tonight that the smallest businesses would get some protection against a rise in corporation tax. |
So wages go up people will have more to spend no they won"t. The price of goods will go up usually at a higher rate. How will anybody be better off? it will be the same if not worse than at present the only difference being higher figures on both sides of the ledger. This is where people are being conned by Labour and like lemmings they're falling for it. Hopefully there'll be enough sensible people voting to put a stop to labour bankrupting the country again [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 14:14]
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 14:14 - Jun 3 with 1428 views | Lohengrin |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:27 - Jun 2 by exiledclaseboy |
There is a certain amount of misogyny in some of the May criticism no doubt. May didn't help herself with her juvenile "alone and naked" jibe at Corbyn either mind. The campaign has been mostly distasteful but how the Tories have managed to blow a 25 point lead against this Labour Party is beyond my understanding. Unless they haven't of course. The pollsters are tricky buggers and I've a feeling some of the closer polls are a scare tactic to ensure the Tory vote turns out. |
"That Labour is so high in the polls suggest that Britain has precious little cause to be complacent about the state of its democracy."
Ruth Dudley Edwards, The Independent ie |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 14:24 - Jun 3 with 1419 views | Gowerjack |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 20:29 - Jun 2 by exiledclaseboy |
No idea, I'm new to the constituency. We live in Penllergaer and it still makes me chuckle that it's part of "Gower". |
Clasie
Part of the ancient Lordsip of Gower.
See here...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lordship_of_Gower
The Gower Society have always recognised and campaigned to support this part of the lordship.
I lived in sunny Penllergaer for a while ( my Mum & Dad still do) it's a nice place if a little Stepford Wives in places! [Post edited 3 Jun 2017 14:27]
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 14:33 - Jun 3 with 1408 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 08:15 - Jun 3 by marulia |
The basic fact is that Blair and labour allowed this to happen, actively let these non skilled foreign workers in to our country, to take non jobs that our own people could easily do and certainly in our case forced our own people out of jobs they have been doing for years. Blair no longer in power still to this day has done his best to keep us in the EU! I know that there are lazy b#stards on the dole but there's people out there that want to work too and the jobs that they could have has been taken away by those that do not belong here. What we have created on so many levels are massive problems for our future generations not just now. For teachers, they now have to deal with so many kids that don't speak any English, the extra pressure on hospitals, housing, infrastructure, all from people that have no affinity to this country what so ever. I'm not against foreign people coming here like doctors or surgeons for example, but only those that have specialist skills and not those that take jobs from our own people on mass. We've already lost a whole generation of people that don't know what it's like to work, just look at how much harder it is to get a job now from 15 years ago, why? Because now the staple work force are now hired by agencies who mostly employ foreign nationals that they can get rid of at the drop of a hat on cheap labour.. how can this be right?! Is this the future you want for your kids? The fact is that if you vote labour then they want this to continue the way things are. Wales voted out of the EU, we had a democratic vote but you have carwyn jones and the old trout that is Leanne wood actively doing all they can to keep us in the EU also, can they not see what's going on in our country, why is everyone so blind here?! Leanne wood said she was surprised by the Brexit result, then clearly she is out of touch with reality and what's going on. The liberals are the worst of the lot though, these people and their like would have our country to its knees in just a few years with their wishy washy nonsense. Voting conservative is not the answer to all the problems clearly, but how can anyone vote for the others. If you want to get on in life then shouldn't the government help you achieve your potential? The labour mentality is that if you can afford to pay more then you should.... so if you work hard, create business, employee people, help the local economy then why the hell should you be taxed more. taxed on the nice big house that you've worked hard to get when you sell it or leave it to family when you die, or be put into a home when you become elderly and your house sold to pay for your care when you've worked all your life and those on the dole that do nothing get everything for free. What is the point in trying to get on in life when you have people like labour that see your doing well and want to take a large cut of the pie to waste, they can not be trusted with our money. |
I think around 95 per cent of people living wales were born in the uk. |  |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 11:44 - Jun 4 with 1343 views | rock1n |
Panic over, I will be voting Liberal Democrat and urge others to do the same.
I was very impressed with Clegg on QT, the policy platform they have makes sense as well. | |
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| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 11:48 - Jun 4 with 1338 views | blueytheblue |
| Help me I'm tempted to do something nuts on 09:05 - Jun 3 by karnataka |
Direct privatisation of the NHS by the Tories is unlikely but that's not really their end game. The clear intent has always been the creation of a state of affairs within the whole of our health care services where the free NHS is starved of funding making the conditions more attractive for private health care providers to move in to fill the void.
That is clearly not privatisation of the NHS per se but it is the thin end of a shift in health care provision away from the free NHS towards privately owned health care providers. When people refer to "privatisation of the NHS", this is the more likely scenario to which they refer by that misnomer.
This strategy has been part of the Tory agenda for decades but would never appear in a manifesto because it would be a massive vote loser but if anyone actually believes that this has not been orchestrated behind closed doors rather than in the clear public view, then I'm afraid that is extremely naïve. |
So since you're anti the private sector moving into health care, I presume you'd do something about NHS staff, consultants in particular who do their NHS role on a part time basis whilst working privately?
Wife waited 9 months for appointment with consultant on NHS. He openly told her if she paid it would have been a 2 weeks wait. | |
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