| Leanne (gives me) Wood 22:39 - Sep 11 with 9822 views | Brynmill_Jack |
If she's the face of independence she get's my vote Phwoar woof woof*
*yes I do know the rules but I don't know how to post photographs on here. Maybe a nerd will help |  |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 13:25 - Sep 12 with 1622 views | oldgrey |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 12:47 - Sep 12 by trampie |
You better check their current policies out then, the days of the Labour party being a socialist party died decades ago [30 odd years ago], they don't support mass nationalisation of industries that are vital to the country anymore, they don't support large tax hikes on companies and people that can afford to pay to spread the wealth out more to achieve a more balanced society, modern Labour are traitors to their founding fathers as well as too the working class and the poorer in society.
Labour and the Tories are the same thing these days, Blair and Brown were as big Tories as Mrs Thatcher was and that is no exaggeration either. |
That however does not support the assertion that the Labour Party is nearly a fascist party. |  | | |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 13:38 - Sep 12 with 1613 views | NOTRAC |
The biggest difference between Scottish and Welsh nationalism is the language issue.
Whilst over 80%of the Welsh population do not speak Welsh ,there is a definite worry that the bias towards Welsh speakers will increase dramatically.Already unfair bias exists within the BBC and some Local Authorities.
Scotland does not have that issue and the politics are therefore much simpler. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 13:39 - Sep 12 with 1610 views | dickythorpe |
A blind cobblers thumb would beat her in a beauty contest. |  | | |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:12 - Sep 12 with 1593 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 13:25 - Sep 12 by oldgrey |
That however does not support the assertion that the Labour Party is nearly a fascist party. |
It does when they are plotted on a graph with the perimeters showing that extremity to be labelled fascist, the other main Westminster parties are there also, its not just Labour, it just shows the political spectrum, you have the SNP, Plaid and the Greens in somewhat sensible waters and then you have the extremists like the Westminster big 3 and UKIP and the BNP. |  |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:23 - Sep 12 with 1588 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 13:11 - Sep 12 by perchrockjack |
Well HYPOCRISY abounds in all.
Your left wing and that fine..
Your not necessarily right though though what you believe is right to you and that s fair enough.
Im right wing. That also fair.
Both left and right wing parties have fecked up this country.
THAT S fact |
You have got to go back about 40 years to find something resembling a left leaning Government in this country and that's a FACT. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:40 - Sep 12 with 1574 views | oldgrey |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:12 - Sep 12 by trampie |
It does when they are plotted on a graph with the perimeters showing that extremity to be labelled fascist, the other main Westminster parties are there also, its not just Labour, it just shows the political spectrum, you have the SNP, Plaid and the Greens in somewhat sensible waters and then you have the extremists like the Westminster big 3 and UKIP and the BNP. |
Well let's settle for opinion being divided on the subject. You and the graph say yes, everyone else in the world says not. | | | |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:55 - Sep 12 with 1565 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:40 - Sep 12 by oldgrey |
Well let's settle for opinion being divided on the subject. You and the graph say yes, everyone else in the world says not. |
Its not my graph butt and lots of people recognise the 3 big Westminster parties for what they, right wing, colonialist, royalist, unionist parties that care little for the little man in the street.
The net has a lot to answer for, the world is changing fast since the net has become more accessible to more people across the world, the grip of the old order who told people how to think is lessening. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:17 - Sep 12 with 1552 views | oldgrey |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:55 - Sep 12 by trampie |
Its not my graph butt and lots of people recognise the 3 big Westminster parties for what they, right wing, colonialist, royalist, unionist parties that care little for the little man in the street.
The net has a lot to answer for, the world is changing fast since the net has become more accessible to more people across the world, the grip of the old order who told people how to think is lessening. |
I do not disagree with that.
But that does not make any of the big 3 parties "nearly fascist".
Which is the main and only point of my debate with you.
Despite what "the graph" says. | | | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:23 - Sep 12 with 1540 views | perchrockjack |
40 years ago ,so that would be Callaghan era -post Wilson then.
Ok then.
Now I seem to recall much strife in the 70s .It was a fookn awful era so bad it brought in THATCHER as people were that desperate to see our country survive.
Any left wing success stories, please append them | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:25 - Sep 12 with 1539 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:17 - Sep 12 by oldgrey |
I do not disagree with that.
But that does not make any of the big 3 parties "nearly fascist".
Which is the main and only point of my debate with you.
Despite what "the graph" says. |
OK lets say it does equate to nearly fascist in your book, it obviously does in other peoples book, like I said the graph is not mine. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:34 - Sep 12 with 1534 views | oldgrey |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:25 - Sep 12 by trampie |
OK lets say it does equate to nearly fascist in your book, it obviously does in other peoples book, like I said the graph is not mine. |
Well I realise I am pushing the boundaries of my powers of rhetoric here but do you actually understand any of the commonly accepted definitions of fascism? To equate the 3 main political parties as "nearly fascist" is simply crass and is devoid of any intellectual thinking. In fact, using those commonly accepted definitions of fascism nationalists would score as many ticks as the other mainstream parties. | | | |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:39 - Sep 12 with 1528 views | perchrockjack |
Is fascism really that bad. Is it any worse that Marxist states. Haiti was a classic if my memory serves me correct, Cuba too under Fidel where pens and books are still luxuries , good ol Mugabe trained in Russia and a good Marxist ergo he looks after his people HIS people. Its fascism in another form | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:40 - Sep 12 with 1529 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:34 - Sep 12 by oldgrey |
Well I realise I am pushing the boundaries of my powers of rhetoric here but do you actually understand any of the commonly accepted definitions of fascism? To equate the 3 main political parties as "nearly fascist" is simply crass and is devoid of any intellectual thinking. In fact, using those commonly accepted definitions of fascism nationalists would score as many ticks as the other mainstream parties. |
'Well let's settle for opinion being divided on the subject' as you said previously. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:51 - Sep 12 with 1514 views | oldgrey |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:39 - Sep 12 by perchrockjack |
Is fascism really that bad. Is it any worse that Marxist states. Haiti was a classic if my memory serves me correct, Cuba too under Fidel where pens and books are still luxuries , good ol Mugabe trained in Russia and a good Marxist ergo he looks after his people HIS people. Its fascism in another form |
What? Are you serious? Is fascism bad?
Ask the victims of ww2.
And before you start, I am not excusing all the others usual suspects. | | | |
| (No subject) (n/t) on 15:57 - Sep 12 with 1505 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 12:32 - Sep 12 by oldgrey |
Forget political compass sites.
If you truly believe that the Labour Party is nearly a fascist party then you have no historical perspective. |
Historical is right. As in "in the past". Since Blair's election as leader Labour became (and still is) Thatcherite. They should hang their heads in shame. Bevan would be spinning in his grave.
If plaid could change emphasis they could make a few incursions across the border. Think big and don't be insular! [Post edited 12 Sep 2014 18:42]
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 16:12 - Sep 12 with 1476 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:39 - Sep 12 by perchrockjack |
Is fascism really that bad. Is it any worse that Marxist states. Haiti was a classic if my memory serves me correct, Cuba too under Fidel where pens and books are still luxuries , good ol Mugabe trained in Russia and a good Marxist ergo he looks after his people HIS people. Its fascism in another form |
You are spewing more rubbish just like when Wales played Scotland at Anfield in 77 we didn't play there because of stadium building  like you said, it was because we was banned from playing within 50 miles of Cardiff after we was done in the quarters of the previous Euro's against the host nation and it resulted in a riot.
Cubans are literate as heck, Castro seen to it that they could all read and write, the Welsh were the most literate in the world at one time as you would expect from such a great nation of people.
Castro and Ho Chi Minh are great success stories, we live in a time where the worlds leading power [America] hated them so they have done everything in their power to discredit them and do their upmost to cause strife for them and as a result their people, America share a common language with us and a so called special relationship according to some, so think on.
Ho Chi Minh, Gandhi and even Castro are Premier League 'left wingers' with Mandela championship standard, name me great 'right wingers' ? and don't say Churchill a family member won't hear his name mentioned in his house after he sent the troops in against the Welsh miners over the Rhondda, weren't some terks [Llanelli people] killed also by Churchills troops over another dispute when he was Home Secretary. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 16:19 - Sep 12 with 1467 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:51 - Sep 12 by oldgrey |
What? Are you serious? Is fascism bad?
Ask the victims of ww2.
And before you start, I am not excusing all the others usual suspects. |
Were the people in power that sent us into wars in Iraq and Afghanistan behaving like fascists of old ?, just asking like, or is it some how different. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 18:44 - Sep 12 with 1400 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:23 - Sep 12 by perchrockjack |
40 years ago ,so that would be Callaghan era -post Wilson then.
Ok then.
Now I seem to recall much strife in the 70s .It was a fookn awful era so bad it brought in THATCHER as people were that desperate to see our country survive.
Any left wing success stories, please append them |
The. National. Health. Service. | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 19:05 - Sep 12 with 1384 views | Didz1234 |
Trampie I salute you sir! |  | | |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 19:35 - Sep 12 with 1369 views | trampie |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 19:05 - Sep 12 by Didz1234 |
Trampie I salute you sir! |
The day Wales becomes an independent socialist republic is coming Didz, might have to wait a good few decades but its on its way.  | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 19:37 - Sep 12 with 1367 views | exiledclaseboy |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 18:44 - Sep 12 by Brynmill_Jack |
The. National. Health. Service. |
Innit, Kinell mun.
The minimum wage. |  |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 20:02 - Sep 12 with 1350 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 19:37 - Sep 12 by exiledclaseboy |
Innit, Kinell mun.
The minimum wage. |
I can't believe he f*cking wrote that, let alone thought it | |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 11:28 - Sep 13 with 1289 views | Cottsy |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 15:23 - Sep 12 by perchrockjack |
40 years ago ,so that would be Callaghan era -post Wilson then.
Ok then.
Now I seem to recall much strife in the 70s .It was a fookn awful era so bad it brought in THATCHER as people were that desperate to see our country survive.
Any left wing success stories, please append them |
Left wing success stories?
The weekend? |  |
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 11:32 - Sep 13 with 1284 views | Cottsy |
| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 10:52 - Sep 12 by trampie |
I agree with you, i'm only a voter just for you to know, Plaid took a big step in appointing the lovely Leanne as leader as she is a Socialist to the core, an English speak [Welsh learner] and a female and from the South Wales valleys.
There are only right wing parties in England [ones of any consequence anyway], Labour being almost a Fascist party these days their politics are so right wing, there is a huge gap on the left in English politics that is not filled, Plaids slightly left of centre politics would fill that gap nicely, their policies are very middle of the road, its just that the Lib-Dems, Tories and NuLabour are so far out on the right that you need a good pair of binoculars to see them, they try to portray themselves as middle of the road but the reality is they are extreme right wing, with the likes of Plaid and the SNP middle of the road, have you seen the Political Compass site, the Yellow, Red and Blue Tories are almost off the scale extremists on the charts, its frightening to see where Labour was under Foot [their last Socialist manifesto] 30 odd years ago and where they are now, shocking absolutely shocking, the Tories are true to their right wing beliefs but the two main Westminster parties have sold their souls to compete with the greed offered to people by the Tories under Thatcher, offering tax cuts [a lot for the rich and a tickle for the working class] and the English fell for it, our housing stock was sold off, our nationalised companies sold off, benefits and services cut all for a little tickle of a tax cut, thick thick selfish me me me voters.
Now the country is ruined, the Welsh and Scots don't want it and will look to bail out, not this time but the next time of asking and the union will break up, survival of the fittest policies might well suit those in the East of Blighty but the rest of Blighty prefer a more caring sharing society.
I can't see a way out of it as regards the union long term, one lot want different things to the other lot, its historical as well, son and heir versus sharing wealth, fighting for monetary gain and wealth versus fighting for ones culture and family, its hard to see a compromise unless the ones with the whip hand now go down a more federal route offering the Celtic countries more and more of the way they want things run. [Post edited 12 Sep 2014 10:55]
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| Leanne (gives me) Wood on 14:27 - Sep 13 with 1251 views | perchrockjack |
REALLY.
Clem Attlee was anything but left wing ffs.
JESUS. talking about rewriting history.
so left wing success stories.
Its truly staggering to see such stuff in print vis a vis England and politics.
FOOK ME, WORKING CLASS united... Read some of this stuff aimed at scousers .
Fact is ALL parties have factions.. including labour..
I really cannot comment on trampies stuff ,Im finished but before I do I ll go out and shoot my family as they re all right wing and wouldn't vote labour if their lives depended it.
So trampie,, simple question, Conseravtive votes/right wing people are scum. THAT FAIR | |
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