| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 148459 views | ted_hendrix |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:04 - Oct 28 with 3106 views | Lanhoop |
I see what Bosh is suggesting but there's a couple of issues from what I understand.
Rail seating doesn't increase capacity. 1 rail seat = 1 existing seat. It's not a traditional terrace it's a safer standing environment. Fine with having it but doesn't increase income unless it encourages more sell-outs which is debatable. Putting it in is an expense that may not have a payback.
Capacity isn't and never has been the reason to move, it's about increasing the use of the facility on weekdays to increase the income. Having the thing sitting there for 5 or 6 days a week doing nothing let alone all summer is a drain on finances when the team needs income.
Rebuilding the stands/roof might be possible but I'll bet the foundations are not up to very much and the disruption to local residents will be tough to get through.
I'm guessing the statements are just to put a bit of pressure on the council and other interested parties but whatever happens they need to invest in the current site to keep it safe for 17,000 of us to attend. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:08 - Oct 28 with 3059 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:04 - Oct 28 by Lanhoop |
I see what Bosh is suggesting but there's a couple of issues from what I understand.
Rail seating doesn't increase capacity. 1 rail seat = 1 existing seat. It's not a traditional terrace it's a safer standing environment. Fine with having it but doesn't increase income unless it encourages more sell-outs which is debatable. Putting it in is an expense that may not have a payback.
Capacity isn't and never has been the reason to move, it's about increasing the use of the facility on weekdays to increase the income. Having the thing sitting there for 5 or 6 days a week doing nothing let alone all summer is a drain on finances when the team needs income.
Rebuilding the stands/roof might be possible but I'll bet the foundations are not up to very much and the disruption to local residents will be tough to get through.
I'm guessing the statements are just to put a bit of pressure on the council and other interested parties but whatever happens they need to invest in the current site to keep it safe for 17,000 of us to attend. |
with the changes in how people work now is their a market anymore for using facilities during the week, I'm not sure it's as profitable as it once was and even if we manage to get a new stadium we have competition on our doorstep for the same thing |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:14 - Oct 28 with 3039 views | wombat |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:04 - Oct 28 by Lanhoop |
I see what Bosh is suggesting but there's a couple of issues from what I understand.
Rail seating doesn't increase capacity. 1 rail seat = 1 existing seat. It's not a traditional terrace it's a safer standing environment. Fine with having it but doesn't increase income unless it encourages more sell-outs which is debatable. Putting it in is an expense that may not have a payback.
Capacity isn't and never has been the reason to move, it's about increasing the use of the facility on weekdays to increase the income. Having the thing sitting there for 5 or 6 days a week doing nothing let alone all summer is a drain on finances when the team needs income.
Rebuilding the stands/roof might be possible but I'll bet the foundations are not up to very much and the disruption to local residents will be tough to get through.
I'm guessing the statements are just to put a bit of pressure on the council and other interested parties but whatever happens they need to invest in the current site to keep it safe for 17,000 of us to attend. |
when studies have taken place before i think these are the main problems
light issues with the flats and houses behind South Africa road and ellerslie.
underground river stops us going any deeper
covenants on the ground which stops us using the ground much more than it is.
so the option to redevelop the ground for a slightly bigger capacity is pretty low.
to be able to grow we need to be using the ground for concerts , boxing you name it , not just games ever week. they screwed up and now we are having to put pressure on the council for the LCS which is last chance saloon for us to stay in the local area , |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:17 - Oct 28 with 3030 views | E17hoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:08 - Oct 28 by daveB |
with the changes in how people work now is their a market anymore for using facilities during the week, I'm not sure it's as profitable as it once was and even if we manage to get a new stadium we have competition on our doorstep for the same thing |
There's a ton of options they could exploit from conferencing and meeting spaces and remote working hubs, community centres, lending libraries, hosting council and third sector spaces, to health and wellbeing, gyms, and even schools. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:18 - Oct 28 with 3027 views | BAWHoops |
I've seen a couple of interviews where there's the odd line about improving Loftus Road. That would certainly be the preferred option for me...
However, in order to do anything you'd have to do what Liverpool did and buy up the houses in the surrounding area. If people don't want to sell then you use the c*nts trick of letting streets becoming dilapidated drug havens so the hold outs end up selling.
Was frankly atrocious what Liverpool did to their community... and I wouldn't put it past our owners looking to do the same. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:20 - Oct 28 with 3019 views | A40Bosh |
When it comes to supposed missed opportunities I get the impression that some posters believe we are some big hitters who think they can walk in and expect to start calling the odds on what land we want and when we want it and how much we expect to pay for it.
Comments about cock ups when no one knows either the high level details let alone the fine details on what has been going on behind closed doors. Warren Farm was unfortunate not a cock up, these things happen in business and the board reacted quickly and secured a better deal.
I think this latest report is friendly journalism helping to bring focus to the council to pull things together rather than admitting defeat over LCS.
If LR could be remodelled they would have found a way by now. Heston is an absolute non starter for a ground if you are spending millions on development of a state of the art academy anyway.
Patience is still required so continue to enjoy the atmosphere created by the 14k that currently turn up most weeks in our lovely little old stadium. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:28 - Oct 28 with 2969 views | Juzzie |
The whole 'update-Loftus-Road-by-buying-the-houses-on-Ellerslie-Road/Loftus Road' has been done to death. It's simply not feasible.
People talk about about it as though it's easy as pie.... just like that.
My neighbour is having a side/rear L-shaped extension done. The whole thing has taken years (planning permissions, architecture rejections, new plans/designs submitted, building work, material shortages, fall out's with neighbours etc). He's totally exhausted.
There are some 300 individual properties (these are not each single dwelling houses, they're all converted to flats).
Can you imagine having to buy-out 300+ properties? And what if many don't want to leave? That's before you even start with new stand designs, planning permissions, demolition, re-construction etc. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:30 - Oct 28 with 2953 views | BklynRanger |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:18 - Oct 28 by BAWHoops |
I've seen a couple of interviews where there's the odd line about improving Loftus Road. That would certainly be the preferred option for me...
However, in order to do anything you'd have to do what Liverpool did and buy up the houses in the surrounding area. If people don't want to sell then you use the c*nts trick of letting streets becoming dilapidated drug havens so the hold outs end up selling.
Was frankly atrocious what Liverpool did to their community... and I wouldn't put it past our owners looking to do the same. |
They're a few things but I haven't got any sense of the owners being total c*nts?
Apart from that the Liverpool comparison doesn't really work I don't think. This is from living there for a short time in the 90s admittedly, but some of the streets around Anfield were rough as fcuk long before the ransacking of the area by LFC started. By contrast the streets around our ground are desirable real estate so, thankfully, it wouldn't work. [Post edited 28 Oct 2021 11:33]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Oct 28 with 2917 views | PlanetHonneywood |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:28 - Oct 28 by Juzzie |
The whole 'update-Loftus-Road-by-buying-the-houses-on-Ellerslie-Road/Loftus Road' has been done to death. It's simply not feasible.
People talk about about it as though it's easy as pie.... just like that.
My neighbour is having a side/rear L-shaped extension done. The whole thing has taken years (planning permissions, architecture rejections, new plans/designs submitted, building work, material shortages, fall out's with neighbours etc). He's totally exhausted.
There are some 300 individual properties (these are not each single dwelling houses, they're all converted to flats).
Can you imagine having to buy-out 300+ properties? And what if many don't want to leave? That's before you even start with new stand designs, planning permissions, demolition, re-construction etc. |
...and there is bound to be a unique feeding ground for our local feathered friends as well. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:37 - Oct 28 with 2916 views | Phildo |
I was invited to AFC Wimbledon v Shef wed on the day of the Fulham game which I could not get a ticket for (90 minutes of Barry Bannon immaculately passing to people who could not trap a bag of cement and poor Barry getting very upset).
Its a cracking little ground with lots of hospitality options - all full. From banqueting suites to posh boxes down to a carvery and access to a bar. We can only offer that on a tiny scale at LR and as the boxes at our place were originally carved out of the South Africa road terracing there is very little scope to add to it.
The decline of retail might open up a site somewhere at some point I suppose - who owns the W12 shopping centre and would that be big enough? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:49 - Oct 28 with 2873 views | NorthantsHoop |
I think we are probably all being softened up for a move further west. I love LR, proximity to urban centre etc and it's uniqueness and history, but think we all know it is not a sustainable option in the modern game. We are going to have within the next 2 or 3 years a state of the art training facility at Heston, and I would assume that the Board would like to have a comparable ground to match. Can we stay in the W12 or surrounding area in a new ground it is looking increasingly unlikely and at what price. No doubt pressure is being put on the Council to move ahead on Linford Christie site, but as we know with the Warren Farm stuff that dragged on for years if the community and other interest groups are opposed it will just be more frustration. But who knows something can happen as it has with Heston, alternatives may be found, but I have a suspicion we will have to move out a few miles further west/north west to obtain the site to build on. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:56 - Oct 28 with 2827 views | nadera78 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:20 - Oct 28 by A40Bosh |
When it comes to supposed missed opportunities I get the impression that some posters believe we are some big hitters who think they can walk in and expect to start calling the odds on what land we want and when we want it and how much we expect to pay for it.
Comments about cock ups when no one knows either the high level details let alone the fine details on what has been going on behind closed doors. Warren Farm was unfortunate not a cock up, these things happen in business and the board reacted quickly and secured a better deal.
I think this latest report is friendly journalism helping to bring focus to the council to pull things together rather than admitting defeat over LCS.
If LR could be remodelled they would have found a way by now. Heston is an absolute non starter for a ground if you are spending millions on development of a state of the art academy anyway.
Patience is still required so continue to enjoy the atmosphere created by the 14k that currently turn up most weeks in our lovely little old stadium. |
The issue with missed opportunities isn't us being big hitters or not, but the focus of the owners. Whilst Fernandes was dreaming of the billions he'd make if he could redevelop the entire 200 acres at Old Oak (that he didn't actually own), there were numerous sites we could have gone for within spitting distance of Loftus Rd that would have serviced our needs perfectly. The M&S warehouses behind White City station, the Dairy Crest site immediately next door to it, BBC Woodlands, BBC White City - all 4 of those had enough space to build a stadium and some flats alongside. Throw in a redevelopment of LR and we'd have massively reduced the cost of relocating.
But, as I say, we ignored those entirely because Fernandes was fantasising about something else. The exact same thing happened when Chris Wright turned down the council's offer to sell us the land behind the school end because he was fixated on moving out to sodding Heathrow. The last 30 years is a litany of missed opportunities. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:23 - Oct 28 with 2717 views | Hayesender |
Well I'm 50 now, and I doubt very much that we'll have a new stadium, or even a site for one in my lifetime.
Suits me fine as I love Loftus Rd, but it does hinder our prospects somewhat |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:31 - Oct 28 with 2679 views | Juzzie |
Of course they would, looks all so easy on paper. They wouldn't be involved in trying to move out hundreds of people from 300+ flats. They'd just deal with the construction. QPR would have to handle the mahoosive headache of all the admin. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:36 - Oct 28 with 2670 views | Esox_Lucius |
A factor in future plans should also be the consideration of moving outside the ULEZ area due to the amount of QPR fans who no longer live within 5 miles of W12. There used to be a demographics map on Ben's old .org site IIRC and it would be interesting to see an up to date version showing where our 14k fans are arriving from. Pricier parking and the ULEZ are already starting to cause concern among a number of the people I know who are regulars at W12 and maybe it is time to move back along the M40 to somewhere near Northolt/ Ruislip which is still a heartland for QPR AFAIK and should be a lot better for parking and travel access.
There are plenty of stadium designs which should allow the new ground to replicate the look of the KPFS and retain the closeness to the pitch required for the atmosphere. A 25-30K version of Boavista's ground looks to be a perfect solution to those who would miss the familiarity of our ground. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:46 - Oct 28 with 2628 views | nadera78 |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:31 - Oct 28 by Juzzie |
Of course they would, looks all so easy on paper. They wouldn't be involved in trying to move out hundreds of people from 300+ flats. They'd just deal with the construction. QPR would have to handle the mahoosive headache of all the admin. |
If you read the doc they don't say anything about acquiring surrounding property, and imply that it could be done on the existing site. That's why I said it felt 'ambitious'. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 28 with 3265 views | switchingcode |
Brentford’s new stadium is built on around 22000 square metres and holds 17500
Loftus road is just over 18000 square metres so the option of building a 25000 + stadium on the site is not there.Would have thought LC site would be perfect and the sale of LR would go a long way towards the build costs. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:57 - Oct 28 with 3290 views | danehoop |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:36 - Oct 28 by Esox_Lucius |
A factor in future plans should also be the consideration of moving outside the ULEZ area due to the amount of QPR fans who no longer live within 5 miles of W12. There used to be a demographics map on Ben's old .org site IIRC and it would be interesting to see an up to date version showing where our 14k fans are arriving from. Pricier parking and the ULEZ are already starting to cause concern among a number of the people I know who are regulars at W12 and maybe it is time to move back along the M40 to somewhere near Northolt/ Ruislip which is still a heartland for QPR AFAIK and should be a lot better for parking and travel access.
There are plenty of stadium designs which should allow the new ground to replicate the look of the KPFS and retain the closeness to the pitch required for the atmosphere. A 25-30K version of Boavista's ground looks to be a perfect solution to those who would miss the familiarity of our ground. |
Not sure if its greenbelt, but since HS2 came along its not so clear, but maybe a look at the area next to West Ruislip station where Ruislip golf course was/is (sorry not sure what is happening there now). HS2 has changed things a lot in that area and a large part of it is currently being used for the line itself - but after that is done it might work well as a ground. Close to Central Line, Chiltern Lines, Met and Piccadilly lines. Hillingdon would probably jump at the chance if they get a chance to make cash out an area that won't be popular for housing because of the line - an issue that a stadium wouldn't really be bothered by. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:00 - Oct 28 with 3282 views | Northernr |
The buying up the houses thing means we're only one page of posts away from "can we dig down?"
There are 18 of them behind the Loft End, almost all split into ground floor, upstairs and basement flats. There are 24 of them behind Ellerslie Road, mostly of the same configuration. Zoopla currently has the houses down at £1.1m-£1.5m each and the flats at £500k-650k each.
Quite apart from pursuading people to sell, the time it would take to acquire them all, the planning permission etc etc you'd be talking about north of £50m just for that. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:01 - Oct 28 with 3281 views | Esox_Lucius |
Is anyone on here au fait with the covenant on our ground? That may play a part in any future plans. | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:14 - Oct 28 with 3224 views | HAYESBOY |
Very terse.
Wonder if the club will reply. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:15 - Oct 28 with 3215 views | Northernr |
Strange old statement that. As Lee Hoos pointed out in my interview with him, why do they keep going out of their way to mention that the owners are foreign? Why does that make a difference? Why do they admit that they bent over backwards to help Fulham and Chelsea (who also have rich foreign owners) but will only do so for QPR if we pursue a fan ownership model? Have other companies that have done big developments in this borough, like Westfield, been told by the council they have to change their ownership structure to get it through planning?
I get the bit about not gifting a piece of public land to a private business, but if they got their heads together it could be a win win on that site where they get a new athletics facility they don't have to pay for or upkeep, and we get a new stadium, instead of what's there now which is a crumbling mess they can't afford.
Strange statement for me. There seems to be some lingering suspicion somewhere along the line that our owners are looking to get a free stadium there, and then cash in on the land of the current one. If you think about that whole south side of SAR is an amazing development opportunity with the army barracks, the football pitches, the stadium, and a terrible pub all realtively easy to clear. Is this what the council is concerned about?
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:17 - Oct 28 with 3193 views | Bakes |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:57 - Oct 28 by danehoop |
Not sure if its greenbelt, but since HS2 came along its not so clear, but maybe a look at the area next to West Ruislip station where Ruislip golf course was/is (sorry not sure what is happening there now). HS2 has changed things a lot in that area and a large part of it is currently being used for the line itself - but after that is done it might work well as a ground. Close to Central Line, Chiltern Lines, Met and Piccadilly lines. Hillingdon would probably jump at the chance if they get a chance to make cash out an area that won't be popular for housing because of the line - an issue that a stadium wouldn't really be bothered by. |
It’s green belt land around there unless your HS2 then you can do pretty much what you please,
If you think it was fun securing warren farm then wait until you tell the residents of Ruislip and Ickenham that your thinking of plonking a stadium there. |  |
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