| Dunne off? on 12:43 - Feb 3 with 2310 views | Hoopsie |
| Dunne off? on 12:35 - Feb 3 by dmm |
Should Dunne still be with us after 11pm tonight, QPR fans must be understanding of his situation and not boo him when he next plays. |
I hope it is win-win situation come what may
If he goes, he gets big money move, plays in the PL next season, we get a nice compensation and before the window shuts use the fund to get a decent right back
If he stays, he continues his great form and no hard feelings for the club and may our form pick up again to push for playoffs
As I said, I hope |  |
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| Dunne off? on 12:44 - Feb 3 with 2287 views | daveB |
| Dunne off? on 12:39 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
It's very rare I disagree with you Dave but I think we'll have to chalk it up on this one!
He would definitely make more money out of a free transfer to another Championship club in the summer than by extending his contract here. There definitely would be a meaty signing on fee as that's what happens with free transfers if there's competition - which there undoubtedly would be.
Some people are finding it utterly implausible that JD or his agent could be chasing money a bit here, instead preferring to assume QPR have been lazy or arrogant enough to not bother offering him a contract within the last 6-12 months of his terms. That makes no sense to me.
If it has been complacency on QPR's part I would be absolutely livid. Given how keen they are to gain 'competitive advantages' everywhere and anywhere they can though I'm just failing to believe that they'd let one of their most important players enter the final transfer window of his contract - running the risk of him leaving on a free in the summer - simply because there's 'no rush'. That would be complete neligence. |
complacenecy probably not the best word to use but I don't think either party would have been too concerned going into this window, I think without this offer he'd have agreed a new deal before the end of the season but we'll never know
I don't dount it would be more money on a free for him but I just don't think it's huge amounts and at this stage of his career a chance to play in a side fighting for promotion with a realistic chance of going up if not this year then next year has to be a massive appeal for him
If it goes through I think it's a really good deal for both QPR and for Jimmy Dunne |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:51 - Feb 3 with 2132 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 12:42 - Feb 3 by Benny_the_Ball |
Whilst I agree with this particular point, I think it's a bit rich to accuse others of making "a massive leap" when you allege that QPR's handling of Chris Willock was shaped by unconscious bias. |
Wow I have no idea how you've come to that conclusion. I said nothing of QPR's handling of Willock's contract. If anything I've defended QPR's handling of contracts. My post you're referring to was either horrifically worded or you've read it very, very wrong. [Post edited 3 Feb 12:52]
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| Dunne off? on 12:52 - Feb 3 with 2101 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
| Dunne off? on 12:11 - Feb 3 by Gloucs_R |
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Looks like Dunne staying. Hmmmm a bit disappointed if he doesn't go now as he'll probably go for free in 4 months time. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:52 - Feb 3 with 2097 views | corse |
In the region of £2 mil ...i would have snapped their hand off if thats true. We wont go down we wont go up and in the region of 2 mil is far better than letting him go free in the summer. Unless he signs a new contract. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:53 - Feb 3 with 2078 views | JamesB1979 |
| Dunne off? on 12:44 - Feb 3 by daveB |
complacenecy probably not the best word to use but I don't think either party would have been too concerned going into this window, I think without this offer he'd have agreed a new deal before the end of the season but we'll never know
I don't dount it would be more money on a free for him but I just don't think it's huge amounts and at this stage of his career a chance to play in a side fighting for promotion with a realistic chance of going up if not this year then next year has to be a massive appeal for him
If it goes through I think it's a really good deal for both QPR and for Jimmy Dunne |
If the club had already offered him a deal or were willing to offer him one, why would they want to delay him signing it given we had this January windows coming up. Given the extensions we’ve already had, I would be amazed that if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t have included him in this round of contract extensions. What were they waiting for? The only party that a delay makes sense for is Dunne. And to be clear, I don’t blame him for that. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 12:59 - Feb 3 with 1928 views | Juzzie |
| Dunne off? on 12:52 - Feb 3 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
Looks like Dunne staying. Hmmmm a bit disappointed if he doesn't go now as he'll probably go for free in 4 months time. |
Unless he'll sign a new contract. I doubt the club would not sell him (even for less than wanted) if he won't sign. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:00 - Feb 3 with 1904 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 12:53 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
If the club had already offered him a deal or were willing to offer him one, why would they want to delay him signing it given we had this January windows coming up. Given the extensions we’ve already had, I would be amazed that if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t have included him in this round of contract extensions. What were they waiting for? The only party that a delay makes sense for is Dunne. And to be clear, I don’t blame him for that. |
Precisely how I feel. I think they'd have been uncomfortable with him only having 12 months left, let alone 6.
If they didn't feel that discomfort - having consistently peddled the 'need to make money on all our assets' rhetoric - they're incompetent.
Equally... I feel there must be more to this story given we've reportedly rejected multi million pound bids this weekend. They cannot possibly let him go on a free now. The backlash would be loud and justified.
I wonder if there's an agreement in place on a new deal that they'll only announce or even sign if no clubs meet a pre-agreed transfer fee this window. It all smells too fishy otherwise. | | | |
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| Dunne off? on 13:01 - Feb 3 with 1897 views | CincyHoop |
I’m generally in favor of taking the £2mm. But that being said, I find it a relative breath of fresh air that the decision makers now seem to have a level of leverage over the situation. In previous yearss transfer dealings it feels like we just get pushed over. Atleast we “appear” to be sticking to our evaluations.
Just feels like the ethos has shifted under the new regime (Nourry).
Obviously this can have unintended consequences like not taking the £2 and he walks in the summer. But it also feels like we won’t be pushed into a corner based on what some other club wants. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:01 - Feb 3 with 1893 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dunne off? on 12:53 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
If the club had already offered him a deal or were willing to offer him one, why would they want to delay him signing it given we had this January windows coming up. Given the extensions we’ve already had, I would be amazed that if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t have included him in this round of contract extensions. What were they waiting for? The only party that a delay makes sense for is Dunne. And to be clear, I don’t blame him for that. |
Remember earlier this year when we were bottom of the table, would signing JD till he was 30+ seemed like a good idea then? |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:03 - Feb 3 with 1848 views | JamesB1979 |
| Dunne off? on 13:01 - Feb 3 by nick_hammersmith |
Remember earlier this year when we were bottom of the table, would signing JD till he was 30+ seemed like a good idea then? |
Around that time extensions for Kolli, Morgan and Lloyd wouldn’t have been right either. Must have started in December. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:03 - Feb 3 with 1830 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 10:42 - Feb 3 by BrianMcCarthy |
The thing about saying people might have subconsious bias is that no-one can prove they have or they haven't.
Willock was harshly treated by Beale, but his work rate was also sometimes bordering on awful, so him running down his contract - if he did - was always going to be met with annoyance.
Dunne may or may not be running down his contract - again we have no way of knowing - but the reaction will be different by many because he is such a whole-hearted player. |
Indeed. It's an utterly illogical theory as by definition it's subconscious so no one can prove it's existence.
Moreover, in Chris Willock's case, Sir Les was QPR DoF for the vast majority of his time at the club, so how would that even work?
Frankly, Chris was not treated any worse than a clutch of other players who ran down their contracts (e.g. Manning, Robinson). As you say, the reaction to Jimmy is different simply because, despite the uncertainty over his future, he's still giving his all on the pitch. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:11 - Feb 3 with 1687 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 13:03 - Feb 3 by Benny_the_Ball |
Indeed. It's an utterly illogical theory as by definition it's subconscious so no one can prove it's existence.
Moreover, in Chris Willock's case, Sir Les was QPR DoF for the vast majority of his time at the club, so how would that even work?
Frankly, Chris was not treated any worse than a clutch of other players who ran down their contracts (e.g. Manning, Robinson). As you say, the reaction to Jimmy is different simply because, despite the uncertainty over his future, he's still giving his all on the pitch. |
Again... I wasn't talking about the club having a bias in any way. I don't know how you got to that from what I said. I actually think the club does a very good job of ensuring they don't have biases. [Post edited 3 Feb 13:13]
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| Dunne off? on 13:12 - Feb 3 with 1670 views | baz_qpr |
| Dunne off? on 12:53 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
If the club had already offered him a deal or were willing to offer him one, why would they want to delay him signing it given we had this January windows coming up. Given the extensions we’ve already had, I would be amazed that if they wanted to keep him, they wouldn’t have included him in this round of contract extensions. What were they waiting for? The only party that a delay makes sense for is Dunne. And to be clear, I don’t blame him for that. |
There may be accounting reasons, why they want the renewals in January rather than earlier.
However certainly for a player like Dunne, a Championship defender in the form of his life. This contract renewal or next contract will be the most lucrative of his career. If I was his agent that is what I would be saying to him. That could be a strong position as things stand now, but all it takes is an injury and his position would be severely weakened. I'm glad the club has (so far) held out for its position |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:16 - Feb 3 with 1600 views | Benny_the_Ball |
| Dunne off? on 12:51 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Wow I have no idea how you've come to that conclusion. I said nothing of QPR's handling of Willock's contract. If anything I've defended QPR's handling of contracts. My post you're referring to was either horrifically worded or you've read it very, very wrong. [Post edited 3 Feb 12:52]
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"I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing."
If you're not referencing the club's handling of Willock then one can only assume you're targeting fellow fans. That's poor and takes the shine off what was an otherwise great point; that when it comes to contract negotiations, it takes two to tango. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 with 1579 views | Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Not itk by any stretch, but was talking to a local journalist at the Millwall game about Jimmy's situation. Just sharing what I was told, as plenty of us want to know what has/hasn't been offered in terms of a contract.
Was confidently told that the Sheffield United offer that came in at the end of last week was £400k up front, rising to just under £2mil depending on appearances, promotion, etc.
We have had a straight three year deal on the table since the start of the season, but have been at an impasse with JD as he wants a 4 year deal with option for a fifth. Effectively he wants to commit his future but we won't budge beyond 3 years, as it stands.
Feel free to shoot at me if that's what gets you through the day, but just sharing what I was told. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 with 1561 views | JamesB1979 |
| Dunne off? on 13:12 - Feb 3 by baz_qpr |
There may be accounting reasons, why they want the renewals in January rather than earlier.
However certainly for a player like Dunne, a Championship defender in the form of his life. This contract renewal or next contract will be the most lucrative of his career. If I was his agent that is what I would be saying to him. That could be a strong position as things stand now, but all it takes is an injury and his position would be severely weakened. I'm glad the club has (so far) held out for its position |
Our accounting period is to April (not December), in line with tax year. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:18 - Feb 3 with 1538 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Dunne off? on 13:11 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
Again... I wasn't talking about the club having a bias in any way. I don't know how you got to that from what I said. I actually think the club does a very good job of ensuring they don't have biases. [Post edited 3 Feb 13:13]
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No you were talking about QPR fans and posters on here. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:22 - Feb 3 with 1439 views | JamesB1979 |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Not itk by any stretch, but was talking to a local journalist at the Millwall game about Jimmy's situation. Just sharing what I was told, as plenty of us want to know what has/hasn't been offered in terms of a contract.
Was confidently told that the Sheffield United offer that came in at the end of last week was £400k up front, rising to just under £2mil depending on appearances, promotion, etc.
We have had a straight three year deal on the table since the start of the season, but have been at an impasse with JD as he wants a 4 year deal with option for a fifth. Effectively he wants to commit his future but we won't budge beyond 3 years, as it stands.
Feel free to shoot at me if that's what gets you through the day, but just sharing what I was told. |
Seems reasonable. Can understand why both player and club won’t budge. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:26 - Feb 3 with 1348 views | Padulas_Shampoo |
| Dunne off? on 13:16 - Feb 3 by Benny_the_Ball |
"I'd even go as far as to say there's some subconscious bias present given his stature and background etc. compared to Willock's. At the end of the day, they've both done the same thing."
If you're not referencing the club's handling of Willock then one can only assume you're targeting fellow fans. That's poor and takes the shine off what was an otherwise great point; that when it comes to contract negotiations, it takes two to tango. |
I'm not 'targeting' anyone. I feel passionately about this subject so won't apologise for my choice of words or vigilance. I wouldn't want to turn this thread either off-topic nor into something Clive and the mods have to police but feel free to DM if you'd like to discuss what I meant. | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:26 - Feb 3 with 1348 views | nick_hammersmith |
| Dunne off? on 13:03 - Feb 3 by JamesB1979 |
Around that time extensions for Kolli, Morgan and Lloyd wouldn’t have been right either. Must have started in December. |
No problem at all with signing on long terms for three young players with limited Championship experience. I doubt any of those are top earners at the club and would have been restrictive to the budget had we got relegated into L1.
This is a great example of the business model the club is aiming for and giving out long contracts to players with no re-sale value is what we are trying to move away from.
--I like JD, I think he is a good player, but if we didn't want to sign a long term deal last season, then the club has to sell him now, rather than let him run his contract down and walk away on a free, even if its just as a message to the other players | | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:28 - Feb 3 with 1326 views | connell10 |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Not itk by any stretch, but was talking to a local journalist at the Millwall game about Jimmy's situation. Just sharing what I was told, as plenty of us want to know what has/hasn't been offered in terms of a contract.
Was confidently told that the Sheffield United offer that came in at the end of last week was £400k up front, rising to just under £2mil depending on appearances, promotion, etc.
We have had a straight three year deal on the table since the start of the season, but have been at an impasse with JD as he wants a 4 year deal with option for a fifth. Effectively he wants to commit his future but we won't budge beyond 3 years, as it stands.
Feel free to shoot at me if that's what gets you through the day, but just sharing what I was told. |
So if true we are talking about length of contract, id have him forever if it was me !! Also if true the Utd offer seems totally absurd! |  |
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| Dunne off? on 13:35 - Feb 3 with 1201 views | Hunterhoop |
I’d heard the same thing on the offer. It would end up somewhere between the two figures come end of the season.
I hadn’t heard the Dunne situation. If that is the case, I’d be interested in why we don’t move to a 4 year deal (one extra, that’s all, he’s 27, not 30 today) and have the option of a 5th on our side. Can’t be his.
If money isn’t the issue, why not agree that? We have Madsen on a 5 year deal supposedly. Centre halves at 31 are still in their prime. |  | | |
| Dunne off? on 13:35 - Feb 3 with 1196 views | R_from_afar |
| Dunne off? on 13:17 - Feb 3 by Quite_Possibly_Ropey |
Not itk by any stretch, but was talking to a local journalist at the Millwall game about Jimmy's situation. Just sharing what I was told, as plenty of us want to know what has/hasn't been offered in terms of a contract.
Was confidently told that the Sheffield United offer that came in at the end of last week was £400k up front, rising to just under £2mil depending on appearances, promotion, etc.
We have had a straight three year deal on the table since the start of the season, but have been at an impasse with JD as he wants a 4 year deal with option for a fifth. Effectively he wants to commit his future but we won't budge beyond 3 years, as it stands.
Feel free to shoot at me if that's what gets you through the day, but just sharing what I was told. |
Very interesting, thanks for sharing.
Whether it's true or not, it *is* plausible and might make some of us - me included - think again about some of the assumptions we make about players holding off renewing their contracts. |  |
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| Dunne off? on 13:37 - Feb 3 with 1149 views | Ned_Kennedys |
| Dunne off? on 13:26 - Feb 3 by Padulas_Shampoo |
I'm not 'targeting' anyone. I feel passionately about this subject so won't apologise for my choice of words or vigilance. I wouldn't want to turn this thread either off-topic nor into something Clive and the mods have to police but feel free to DM if you'd like to discuss what I meant. |
So you decide to post an implied accusation about QPR fans with absolutely no evidence or need to do so on an unrelated thread about Jimmy Dunne and get all sensitive about it when you are rightly called out by a few fellow posters.
Suggest you keep your vigilance and passion for whichever subject you are going on about to appropriate and relevant areas, preferably not on here. | | | |
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