| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:41 - Dec 31 with 1826 views | jasper_T |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 15:55 - Dec 31 by NotLoyal |
You forgot to mention whilst under the influence of drugs and his previous criminal history.
As for police brutality in the UK or Europe, There’s absolutely no link to floyd, pink or george.
This is where the whole movement went wrong, apart from being a complete and utter joke due to its make up in the USA, it’s as violent as any pathetic extremist organisation or bunch of people in any country in modern times.
However.
These morons outside the Liberty are organised by a right wing group, and are as equally pathetic.
I don’t need BLM or BNP or anything inbetween thrust down my throat every time I watch a game of football. [Post edited 31 Dec 2020 15:57]
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So in your eyes it's okay for police to murder someone if they're "under the influence of drugs" and have "previous criminal history"?
Our club, staff and players have agreed to keep shoving it down your throat for the foreseeable, and good on them. |  | |  |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:47 - Dec 31 with 1810 views | NotLoyal |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:41 - Dec 31 by jasper_T |
So in your eyes it's okay for police to murder someone if they're "under the influence of drugs" and have "previous criminal history"?
Our club, staff and players have agreed to keep shoving it down your throat for the foreseeable, and good on them. |
Yes that's right, spot on, you took the words right out of my mouth.
Luckily it wasn't when you were kissing me. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:48 - Dec 31 with 1804 views | swansealad69 |
Good on them
Im sick off this blm bullshit
And sick of these tossers saying them who boo are racist them selfs.
Blm is a racist group that sgould not be anywerr near football or in public eye
Does anyone els get pissed of when u see black players raise a fist?
This is the symbol of black power
What would be said if a symbol of whit power was on show week in and out.
Its not racist to want get rid of this blm in our game
This is sport not politics
Antifa blm are all radical groups that nerd to be kicked out
Yet we embrace it
What ideots
Left wing bullshit thats bing forced on us
Why cant pepole oppose this
Its freedom of speach and pepole have a opinion
This started back in spring yet ots still going on
Ffs get over it
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:48 - Dec 31 with 1801 views | Boundy |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:41 - Dec 31 by jasper_T |
So in your eyes it's okay for police to murder someone if they're "under the influence of drugs" and have "previous criminal history"?
Our club, staff and players have agreed to keep shoving it down your throat for the foreseeable, and good on them. |
Was he murdered by the police ? I thought murder was premeditated and manslaughter the crime of killing someone unintentionally or without having planned to do it . | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:52 - Dec 31 with 1789 views | KeithHaynes |
Play nicely folks, its NYE, let all thingys be forgot etc.
No shoving things down peoples throats and the like. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:21 - Dec 31 with 1745 views | Highjack |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:48 - Dec 31 by Boundy |
Was he murdered by the police ? I thought murder was premeditated and manslaughter the crime of killing someone unintentionally or without having planned to do it . |
He’s been charged with murder. Apparently he’s got form for using excessive force. The prosecutors want to use body cam evidence of him previously grabbing a 14 year old boy by the throat and forcing him to the floor ignoring his complaints that he couldn’t breathe. He’s obviously a bit of a prick and I hope he gets what’s coming to him.
There still doesn’t seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest it was a racially motivated action though. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:26 - Dec 31 with 1735 views | Kilkennyjack |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 17:48 - Dec 31 by Boundy |
Was he murdered by the police ? I thought murder was premeditated and manslaughter the crime of killing someone unintentionally or without having planned to do it . |
Yes the Policeman knew what he was doing.
It was very deliberate.
Guilty as charged.
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 19:00 - Dec 31 with 1710 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:26 - Dec 31 by Kilkennyjack |
Yes the Policeman knew what he was doing.
It was very deliberate.
Guilty as charged.
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Black lives do matter totally agreed. Black Lives Matter Im not so sure. The devil is in the detail.
Black Live Matter is a protest against police brutaiity against black people in the USA. When the full Swansea playing staff knelt under that massive BLM logo what were they trying to say.? The message was not clear to me at least. It was about police brutality, though.
Were they protesting at police brutality in Wales /UK or just USA? If they were serious they could have contacted the South Wales Police Commisioner Alun Michael to review the data, or perhap he should have contacted them. The FA then told them that kneeling was for some other broader cause and the knelled for that as well. I am still not clear if it is specifically related to Black people.
The players have kneeled for two separate causes in the last year. The first one was a protest stand. The second as a general meassge of some sort to the fans. If the players were serious about he initial protest they should have contacted Mr Michael and sorted out where we stand in south Wales. Do we have a problem ?
Evidently they did not go to that length and it was seen by both parties as somewhat ritualistic and not a genuine protest to be taken seriously in south Wales. This must mean there is no percieved problem of police brutaliy against black people in south Wales although we must of course be vigilant as a community.
If I, as a mature adult protest about something in a certain way I have the knowledge to know what it is about. I do not need to take messages off footballers some of whom are teenagers and are not clear of the message they are sending to me. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 19:36 - Dec 31 with 1685 views | jasper_T |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:21 - Dec 31 by Highjack |
He’s been charged with murder. Apparently he’s got form for using excessive force. The prosecutors want to use body cam evidence of him previously grabbing a 14 year old boy by the throat and forcing him to the floor ignoring his complaints that he couldn’t breathe. He’s obviously a bit of a prick and I hope he gets what’s coming to him.
There still doesn’t seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest it was a racially motivated action though. |
Whether that specific crime was racially-motivated was never the issue. BLM is a protest of long-term and systemic racism in policing (and society in general), not just one bad cop committing one hate crime. George Floyd was just the spark that happened to set things off.
https://www.npr.org/2020/05/29/865261916/a-decade-of-watching-black-people-die?t | | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 20:20 - Dec 31 with 1643 views | AnotherJohn |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 10:44 - Dec 31 by Badlands |
Were you one of those knuckle draggers booing? |
I'd say you show a certain lack of finesse and a tendency to jump on bandwagons without a great deal of reflection. I've never understood how creating divisions helps inclusion. Why do you suppose Sky has changed tack? | | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 20:44 - Dec 31 with 1624 views | Jack59 |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 18:21 - Dec 31 by Highjack |
He’s been charged with murder. Apparently he’s got form for using excessive force. The prosecutors want to use body cam evidence of him previously grabbing a 14 year old boy by the throat and forcing him to the floor ignoring his complaints that he couldn’t breathe. He’s obviously a bit of a prick and I hope he gets what’s coming to him.
There still doesn’t seem to be any evidence whatsoever to suggest it was a racially motivated action though. |
I went on a lengthy holiday to the USA in the late seventies.
Friends of mine, who had gone there some years before, warned me to be very wary of the police and to do exactly as they instructed if i was ever approached by them.
Black or white didn't seem to make much difference to them, they saw everyone as a potential threat to their lives. That's the way it was, and I would think it is probably similar now over forty years on.
As a teenager in this country, I was deservedly roughed up and beaten up by police officers, they didn't seem to hesitate because I was white.
Mainstream media and social media are doing the real damage to society, by spinning news items to suit their agenda. | | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 20:46 - Dec 31 with 1619 views | Dr_Parnassus |
It never ceases to amaze me how many people in 2020 (2021 depending where you are) are desperate for people to be racist, to keep creating the material to feed their virtue quest.
It has to be intentional at this point that people are still conflating people that dislike BLM with racism. It’s been explained enough.
The droves of black people against the political movement are also dirty racists I presume? You really couldn’t make it up.
Let’s hope 2021 is far more sensible because 2020 has been full of newly born idiots that refuse to understand a topic while making wild assertion after wild assertion, the more shocking the better in their eyes. |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 20:56 - Dec 31 with 1609 views | Dr_Parnassus |
That’s nonsense though isn’t it. Because the article has started with a conclusion and worked backwards.
All races in America are killed in relation to their races crime rate. The issue is police brutality not racism. 20% of the police force is black. Police brutality has been hijacked by an anti racism message because it can (and has been) used politically.
There are issues faced by certain races all over the world, but rarely due to modern racism. That’s just lazy assumptions and not willing to look at the issue in any depth at all. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 22:14 - Dec 31 with 1543 views | jackrabbit |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 13:08 - Dec 31 by Jack59 |
Good post. I'm glad people are voicing their disapproval, I will join them next time, I'll be wearing my ''Say NO to RACISM'' shirt, just so that even the most stupid understand that the protest is about the link with BLM.
Do they turn up for all home games or only televised matches? |
Well said. They were quite rightly protesting at players genuflecting to an organisation as repugnant as Black Lives Matter - with capital letters. The knee bending in support of that genuinely odious organisation, BLM, was encouraged from the top down by virtue-signalling idiots in the Football Association, Premier League and English Football League. There are other ways to demonstrate against racism and it’s time to call a halt on the knee bending and its associations with BLM. And no, they are not racists for protesting about this offensive ritual. ‘Say no to racism’ and ‘Kick it out’ are perfectly valid and respectable outlets to protest racism and are untarnished through having no link or association with Black Lives Matter. |  | | |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 22:15 - Dec 31 with 1542 views | Highjack |
Of course it’s the issue when that incident was held aloft as being a specific example of institutional police racism by the media and the activists that inspire this nonsense despite the complete lack of any evidence of any race related motive. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:43 - Dec 31 with 1504 views | Chief |
So who's behind this Marxist conspiracy? And what are they hoping to achieve by making sports people go to a knee? |  |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:47 - Dec 31 with 1497 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:43 - Dec 31 by Chief |
So who's behind this Marxist conspiracy? And what are they hoping to achieve by making sports people go to a knee? |
There is no conspiracy and they aren't making anyone do anything.
They have labelled their political movement in such a way where they can further their political aims by riding on the back of social justice. It also gives them a socially sensitive angle of attack for anyone who doesn't back them.
The knee is synonymous with that political movement, the people who do it clearly have no idea what it represents. If they did, I assume they wouldn't continue to do it. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:58 - Dec 31 with 1489 views | Chief |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:47 - Dec 31 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is no conspiracy and they aren't making anyone do anything.
They have labelled their political movement in such a way where they can further their political aims by riding on the back of social justice. It also gives them a socially sensitive angle of attack for anyone who doesn't back them.
The knee is synonymous with that political movement, the people who do it clearly have no idea what it represents. If they did, I assume they wouldn't continue to do it. |
It seems the vast majority of the public had no idea the knee had any affiliation to any political cause. Therefore, hasn't the fact that people have decided to start protesting against it only served to give this political cause more publicity?
So if the players are not doing it for any political reasons (they can't as you say many of them won't even there was any political link), they are just doing it in its purest form and for what it was intended - to raise awareness for black people's struggles. In that case, why is there need to protest against it? Just accept it for what it is maybe?
The players must be aware of the protests by now, but are still continuing to do it. Says to me they feel strongly enough about that they aren't backing down and feel thet want to continue. Shouldn't that decision be respected? | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 00:07 - Jan 1 with 1483 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 23:58 - Dec 31 by Chief |
It seems the vast majority of the public had no idea the knee had any affiliation to any political cause. Therefore, hasn't the fact that people have decided to start protesting against it only served to give this political cause more publicity?
So if the players are not doing it for any political reasons (they can't as you say many of them won't even there was any political link), they are just doing it in its purest form and for what it was intended - to raise awareness for black people's struggles. In that case, why is there need to protest against it? Just accept it for what it is maybe?
The players must be aware of the protests by now, but are still continuing to do it. Says to me they feel strongly enough about that they aren't backing down and feel thet want to continue. Shouldn't that decision be respected? |
Ignorance isn't an excuse though is it? Is blackface okay if people don't understand it's origins and what it is linked to regardless of how innocent the action is?
Marxism is dangerous, socialism is dangerous, identity politics is dangerous. This political movement represent all of those things and people don't like it. IF there is no political link behind the knee then why not do something that everyone sees as non political?
People's decision to take the knee should be respected yes, I am all for free speech and free expression of thought. But at the same stroke so should be people's decisions to vocalise why they disagree with it. I don't condone the knee or the boos.
It seems bizarre to me that people wish to create division when they can do what they want to do with far more people on board with much more focus on the issue. I think people quite enjoy the political slant and the division it causes. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 00:20 - Jan 1 with 1475 views | Chief |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 00:07 - Jan 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
Ignorance isn't an excuse though is it? Is blackface okay if people don't understand it's origins and what it is linked to regardless of how innocent the action is?
Marxism is dangerous, socialism is dangerous, identity politics is dangerous. This political movement represent all of those things and people don't like it. IF there is no political link behind the knee then why not do something that everyone sees as non political?
People's decision to take the knee should be respected yes, I am all for free speech and free expression of thought. But at the same stroke so should be people's decisions to vocalise why they disagree with it. I don't condone the knee or the boos.
It seems bizarre to me that people wish to create division when they can do what they want to do with far more people on board with much more focus on the issue. I think people quite enjoy the political slant and the division it causes. |
The players probably aren't now ignorant though. They've probably gone to find out what the fuss is. Yet carry on although realistically none buy into any of the politics that maybe associated with it.
Ok so how does taking a knee link to those 'dangerous' political ideologies in a practical sense? Are people worried players taking a knee will lead to the general public voting for left wing parties? The players don't see it as political. And neither do most of the general public it seems.
Are there left wing activists or heads of left wing parties out there rubbing their hands together whenever they see a team doing it? How does it translate?
Yes all for people doing things via the correct channels though. Voice the concerns to the club, your MP etc. Is booing our own footballers before they've kicked off and we're second in the league, and breaking the law the same time the way to go about it?
There was no real division until some people protesting and creating that division though. Yes the local UKIP branch who seem to be organising these protests are relishing the publicity no doubt. [Post edited 1 Jan 2021 0:27]
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 00:28 - Jan 1 with 1466 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 00:20 - Jan 1 by Chief |
The players probably aren't now ignorant though. They've probably gone to find out what the fuss is. Yet carry on although realistically none buy into any of the politics that maybe associated with it.
Ok so how does taking a knee link to those 'dangerous' political ideologies in a practical sense? Are people worried players taking a knee will lead to the general public voting for left wing parties? The players don't see it as political. And neither do most of the general public it seems.
Are there left wing activists or heads of left wing parties out there rubbing their hands together whenever they see a team doing it? How does it translate?
Yes all for people doing things via the correct channels though. Voice the concerns to the club, your MP etc. Is booing our own footballers before they've kicked off and we're second in the league, and breaking the law the same time the way to go about it?
There was no real division until some people protesting and creating that division though. Yes the local UKIP branch who seem to be organising these protests are relishing the publicity no doubt. [Post edited 1 Jan 2021 0:27]
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There is nothing to “buy”. It is a political movement, not even up for debate. It’s not a theory that it is political, it’s a fact that it is. I can’t speak on behalf of the players, I have no idea why they are continuing to do it if they understand the political links as you suggest. You will have to ask them.
Taking the knee is promoting BLM, furthering their reach and giving them funding - much of which is spent on Democratic campaign funds. BLM quite proudly stated on their website that their aims were to destroy capitalism and dismantle the western nuclear family. They only removed that when some prominent sports people stood up against it which threatened their funding, so they removed the list of aims from their website.
The thousands upon thousands of people who have been personally affected by the BLM riots (people of all colours) will explain to you why it is immediately dangerous.
Whether people don’t see it as political isn’t the issue. It’s the people that do see it as political which is the discussion. If people see something as political and the aim is genuinely to promote an anti racism message then it seems perfectly sensibly and reasonable to me to address that to get more people on board with the message and further it’s reach.
I disagree regarding the division. The division had been there since its inception. Yet kick it out has been operating for years with absolutely no push back... which says everything. One is political. [Post edited 1 Jan 2021 0:31]
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 01:03 - Jan 1 with 1436 views | Chief |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 00:28 - Jan 1 by Dr_Parnassus |
There is nothing to “buy”. It is a political movement, not even up for debate. It’s not a theory that it is political, it’s a fact that it is. I can’t speak on behalf of the players, I have no idea why they are continuing to do it if they understand the political links as you suggest. You will have to ask them.
Taking the knee is promoting BLM, furthering their reach and giving them funding - much of which is spent on Democratic campaign funds. BLM quite proudly stated on their website that their aims were to destroy capitalism and dismantle the western nuclear family. They only removed that when some prominent sports people stood up against it which threatened their funding, so they removed the list of aims from their website.
The thousands upon thousands of people who have been personally affected by the BLM riots (people of all colours) will explain to you why it is immediately dangerous.
Whether people don’t see it as political isn’t the issue. It’s the people that do see it as political which is the discussion. If people see something as political and the aim is genuinely to promote an anti racism message then it seems perfectly sensibly and reasonable to me to address that to get more people on board with the message and further it’s reach.
I disagree regarding the division. The division had been there since its inception. Yet kick it out has been operating for years with absolutely no push back... which says everything. One is political. [Post edited 1 Jan 2021 0:31]
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It's men taking a knee with the intention of raising awareness for perceived injustices towards black people. That's not a political movement is it? Some other people may have tried to hijack it, but as we've discussed the players probably aren't interested in that, so its just looking likr some people are looking to make this an issue, when in reality there's nothing behind it. We have to presume the plsyers are continuing because they just see it as ive portrayed above.
So Swansea City footballers taking the knee is leading to football fans googling Black lives matter, inadvertently clicking on the website of a political party also named black lives matter, thus providing them with hits and funds? Are they planning on standing for election in the Senedd or Westminster anytime soon then?
Unless Swansea City players taking the knee is going to encourage people to start suddenly looting, im struggling to see that link. People rioting in America after being disgruntled after a black man was killed by police and their perceived lack of ensuing justice to me are totally separate. Some groups chose to express their thoughts by breaking the law, others by taking the knee. It can't be immediately dangerous because teams have been taking the knee for a while now and there is no looting rampage currently taking place.
The only people who do seem to see as a political issue are the ones on the opposite side of the political spectrum of what it supposedly stands for and aren't going to buy into its apparent ill affects anyway.
One explicitly is to raise awareness for black people alone. Kick racism out of football can apply to anyone. Which is the more obvious and publically viewed comparison. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 01:05 - Jan 1 with 1433 views | Kilkennyjack |
I think our players are doing what they want to do.
Good for them.
I am sure 90 per cent of fans support the players.
I think the fans who are unhappy should have a think about it again.
Its not a good look for themselves or our club.
Just respect the gesture, thats it.
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 01:11 - Jan 1 with 1430 views | NotLoyal |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 01:05 - Jan 1 by Kilkennyjack |
I think our players are doing what they want to do.
Good for them.
I am sure 90 per cent of fans support the players.
I think the fans who are unhappy should have a think about it again.
Its not a good look for themselves or our club.
Just respect the gesture, thats it.
Enjoy the game. |
Now that does make sense. | |
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| Knee booed by horny fans? on 01:19 - Jan 1 with 1423 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Knee booed by horny fans? on 01:03 - Jan 1 by Chief |
It's men taking a knee with the intention of raising awareness for perceived injustices towards black people. That's not a political movement is it? Some other people may have tried to hijack it, but as we've discussed the players probably aren't interested in that, so its just looking likr some people are looking to make this an issue, when in reality there's nothing behind it. We have to presume the plsyers are continuing because they just see it as ive portrayed above.
So Swansea City footballers taking the knee is leading to football fans googling Black lives matter, inadvertently clicking on the website of a political party also named black lives matter, thus providing them with hits and funds? Are they planning on standing for election in the Senedd or Westminster anytime soon then?
Unless Swansea City players taking the knee is going to encourage people to start suddenly looting, im struggling to see that link. People rioting in America after being disgruntled after a black man was killed by police and their perceived lack of ensuing justice to me are totally separate. Some groups chose to express their thoughts by breaking the law, others by taking the knee. It can't be immediately dangerous because teams have been taking the knee for a while now and there is no looting rampage currently taking place.
The only people who do seem to see as a political issue are the ones on the opposite side of the political spectrum of what it supposedly stands for and aren't going to buy into its apparent ill affects anyway.
One explicitly is to raise awareness for black people alone. Kick racism out of football can apply to anyone. Which is the more obvious and publically viewed comparison. |
BLM is a political movement yes. The people taking a knee under the bracket of BLM makes that political, be that intentional or not. Putting a knee on the ground is not saving anyone from racism is it, so I can’t for the life of me think why doing that seems to be the only way to convey your message when it causes so much political division.
If there is no politics behind it at all and their goal is simply to bring everyone together then I can’t figure out why they wouldn’t change a gesture to something everyone agrees isn’t political. There are two options, either they realise the politicised nature of it and continue because they also wish to advance the political movement or they are inherently ignorant of what it represents. I hope it’s the latter; and that’s what I believe is the case.
You have isolated this to Swansea, which isn’t the case. I’m pretty sure Swansea players doing it has little to no affect on the global politics behind it. But that’s not the point. Does someone doing a Nazi salute make people google nazism? Probably not. But it’s the origins and what it represents to an awful lot of people that matters. This is sweeping Hollywood, sports and media - Swansea are currently playing their own tiny role in perpetuating that.
A political party application has already been submitted for BLM yes. Whether they get to act on their inherently dangerous and divisive aims now or some time down the line doesn’t really matter does it? Timescale makes no difference.
I agree that the people that see it as political are those that are of the opposite political side. Because those that are on that political side see it as a convenient thing to ignore as it also furthers their beliefs. But again that isn’t the point. That only furthers the notion of its political nature.
Putting a knee on the floor isn’t saving anyone from racism. As I’ve said many times now, if the sole purpose is to raise awareness for any perceived racial injustices then do it, don’t do something that many will see as political and everyone can get behind it. Link arms or something if there needs to be some sort of visual display, why does taking the political gesture of the knee solve racism more than linking arms or something politically neutral?
The short answer is of course it doesn’t. [Post edited 1 Jan 2021 1:25]
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