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Requiem 15:39 - Jun 5 with 11064 viewsDavillin

Unlike most of you, I was not born a Swansea supporter; I chose Swansea and have been a fan and a supporter for 20 years. I chose Swansea because when I first became interested, Swansea was a brave struggler against the odds, a team with character as well as characters who were interesting to say the least.

I confirmed my choice when I began to make live friends with other supporters, began to know and enjoy Swansea and South Wales, and began to make my contributions to supporterdom. I was a happy guy.

I enjoyed the ride to the top of the world and the reward of supporting a Premier League club. I deeply enjoyed Swansea signing one of the top managers in football -- Francesco Guidolin, a man who wanted so much to remain Swansea's manager that he humbled himself to continue.

Now, however, others -- not Swansea persons -- are in control, and that gives me a sense of loss as strong as Guidolin's hiring gave me joy. Sadly, the club's exaggerated monetary windfall makes the notion of new owners "putting money into the club" even more of a joke as a good portion of the windfall will ultimately be a windfall to the new owners compared with what will get to club coffers.

A club whose dedication from Swansea and Swansea supporters, and in particular, from the Swansea City Supporters Trust, has now become the "prize" to outsiders who literally shopped around for a club to buy, their decision based, as we all know, on the relative financial rewards. They now own 60% of the club, which gives them almost total control. They and the share-sellers will have made all the right bets, and won. History tells me that everybody else will lose.

I am hurt and offended by the fact that some shareholders gave away control of the club to people who are fans only of the money in their pockets, and gave it away to fill their own. I believe that they did not have tie right to do that -- legally, yes, but not morally. Swansea City Football Club will reap the rot that will follow. It will never be the same, and that's heart-breaking.

I cannot face the possibility that, after all these years, I could be forced to watch the unpleasantness that is sure to come. I don't know exactly what it will be, but ultimately it will be the same as a pimp getting rid of a worn-out old whore.

Most of you will hang on, hoping against hope that somehow, in time, it will all turn out O.K. Remember this: hope springs eternal, but always lands in reality. I wish you and Swansea City Football Club all of the very best, but I'll take my reality now instead of waiting for the full blast of reality to come, whatever it might be.

To the Supporters Trust, please remember and always keep to the principles upon which you were founded. To supporters, please join the Trust and stay a member always. It's still your only real hope.

To the many persons who became good friends in person and on the Internet, and to the others who always treated me fairly and courteously, I send my deepest thanks. It mattered a lot. To those who remained generously neutral toward me, I thank you for that, too. The rest mean nothing to me, and are already being forgotten.

It was a great ride; and I'm glad I took it. Now I intend to find and embrace peace of mind about Swansea City Football Club and everyone associated with it.

I don't care. I'm old. I don't have to.
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Requiem on 09:46 - Jun 6 with 2295 viewsPhaedrus

Requiem on 09:17 - Jun 6 by GB11

Not really born anything are you.

I supported Thierry Henry and Arsenal up until cardiff played them in the fa cup. Full on, obsessed with them as well.

Why are arsenal fans singing songs against welsh people I thought. So from then on I changed.



And what is good Phaedrus, and what is not good. Need we ask anyone to tell us these things?

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Requiem on 09:48 - Jun 6 with 2290 viewsSwansNZ

Requiem on 08:37 - Jun 6 by MattG

Clearly too intellectual for me then.

Just a thought - if that's what he means then perhaps he should say so rather than only mentioning the buyers and sellers.


Perchie is talking cr@p, else we need to read between the lines than the lines themselves.

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Requiem on 10:18 - Jun 6 with 2248 viewsmax936

Requiem on 22:52 - Jun 5 by monmouth

No offence meant to anyone but that looks spookily like the two blokes that were in front of me at the barbers today for the oap special.


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Requiem on 10:31 - Jun 6 with 2232 viewsLeonisGod

It's sad that the model that brought so much success and won us so many fans has come to an end, but it was always going to at some point.

But I don't get the beef against the owners selling up. They have every right to do so. And so would anyone else here if they'd put their money where their mouth was and invested in the club. And now it seems our past board could have raked in more from a Chinese-led bid, but chose not to because they didn't think it was right for the club. But we won't hear about that as it doesn't fit the board-bashing agenda.

I wonder what's wrong with some people.

We've had a stable board who steered the club from near-oblivion to the PL; they get slated.
We had Martinez who was integral to the development of 'the Swansea way' and secured promotion; he gets slated.
We had Rodgers who transformed a solid but dull Sousa team into an attacking tour de force and took us back to the top division, and then cemented our place there on a shoestring; he gets slated.
We had Laudrup who gave us some of the most scintillating football I've seen and let us to our first major trophy; he gets slated.
Garry led us to our 2nd highest top level placing; he gets slated (although not as much as the others to be fair)
And even Guidolin, who has one of the best win ratios of any of our PL managers (possibly the best) and saved us from very likely relegation, isn't given much credit either.

We could win the champions league 5 years in a row and this place would still be full of whining and bitching.

Rant over
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Requiem on 10:40 - Jun 6 with 2222 viewsSwaneeRiver

Requiem on 10:31 - Jun 6 by LeonisGod

It's sad that the model that brought so much success and won us so many fans has come to an end, but it was always going to at some point.

But I don't get the beef against the owners selling up. They have every right to do so. And so would anyone else here if they'd put their money where their mouth was and invested in the club. And now it seems our past board could have raked in more from a Chinese-led bid, but chose not to because they didn't think it was right for the club. But we won't hear about that as it doesn't fit the board-bashing agenda.

I wonder what's wrong with some people.

We've had a stable board who steered the club from near-oblivion to the PL; they get slated.
We had Martinez who was integral to the development of 'the Swansea way' and secured promotion; he gets slated.
We had Rodgers who transformed a solid but dull Sousa team into an attacking tour de force and took us back to the top division, and then cemented our place there on a shoestring; he gets slated.
We had Laudrup who gave us some of the most scintillating football I've seen and let us to our first major trophy; he gets slated.
Garry led us to our 2nd highest top level placing; he gets slated (although not as much as the others to be fair)
And even Guidolin, who has one of the best win ratios of any of our PL managers (possibly the best) and saved us from very likely relegation, isn't given much credit either.

We could win the champions league 5 years in a row and this place would still be full of whining and bitching.

Rant over


I agree with your sentiments.
Bunch of moaning minnies on here and down the stadium generally at times.
The expectations of our board, managers and staff never fails to amaze me.
If we were a Barcelona or a club of that ilk then I'd understand the feeling of entitlement.
We're not. The people that have got us where we are and kept us there have generally done a brilliant job.
There's lots we can moan about, lots can be done better, but it's not worth getting an ulcer over. Just enjoy the ride.
None of us know when the wheels will fall off (no matter who's driving the bus)
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Requiem on 12:00 - Jun 6 with 2148 viewsLeonisGod

Requiem on 10:40 - Jun 6 by SwaneeRiver

I agree with your sentiments.
Bunch of moaning minnies on here and down the stadium generally at times.
The expectations of our board, managers and staff never fails to amaze me.
If we were a Barcelona or a club of that ilk then I'd understand the feeling of entitlement.
We're not. The people that have got us where we are and kept us there have generally done a brilliant job.
There's lots we can moan about, lots can be done better, but it's not worth getting an ulcer over. Just enjoy the ride.
None of us know when the wheels will fall off (no matter who's driving the bus)


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Requiem on 12:51 - Jun 6 with 2104 viewsAl_Bundy

Think we have out grown the current model of ownership and business model.

The club needs to go to the next level if it has any aspirations. We could tread water and hope we stay out of the bottom 3 but that will fail ultimately.

The other side of this is where new owners will take us. There is a lot of concerns and rightly so about the new owners but this isn't the Petty era, we have more stability than ever as a club and now is the time to grow further or go backwards. Some on here want to keep the existing model and management but also complain about investment and stadium issues. Can't have it both ways !

There is a Swansea village mentality still hovers over the fans of our club ... we are in a massively global product environment.. read somewhere fans want HJ to pay back some creditors from over a decade ago !!! Our club has more than brought great business to Swansea traders over the past 8 seasons and probably some of the past creditors have re-started new businesses in that time and reaped new revenues. We should be looking to take full advantage of it while we are in the Premier League.
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Requiem on 12:55 - Jun 6 with 2096 viewsMattG

Requiem on 10:31 - Jun 6 by LeonisGod

It's sad that the model that brought so much success and won us so many fans has come to an end, but it was always going to at some point.

But I don't get the beef against the owners selling up. They have every right to do so. And so would anyone else here if they'd put their money where their mouth was and invested in the club. And now it seems our past board could have raked in more from a Chinese-led bid, but chose not to because they didn't think it was right for the club. But we won't hear about that as it doesn't fit the board-bashing agenda.

I wonder what's wrong with some people.

We've had a stable board who steered the club from near-oblivion to the PL; they get slated.
We had Martinez who was integral to the development of 'the Swansea way' and secured promotion; he gets slated.
We had Rodgers who transformed a solid but dull Sousa team into an attacking tour de force and took us back to the top division, and then cemented our place there on a shoestring; he gets slated.
We had Laudrup who gave us some of the most scintillating football I've seen and let us to our first major trophy; he gets slated.
Garry led us to our 2nd highest top level placing; he gets slated (although not as much as the others to be fair)
And even Guidolin, who has one of the best win ratios of any of our PL managers (possibly the best) and saved us from very likely relegation, isn't given much credit either.

We could win the champions league 5 years in a row and this place would still be full of whining and bitching.

Rant over


Good post and I agree with much of what you say.

Re: the apparent Chinese bid - this may have been the reality but it seems very strange that there has been no mention of it until now. It might have served to placate some people up to a point if there was knowledge that the sellers were actually taking some care over who they might sell to. Too much secrecy, possibly?

Of course, there is always the possibility that there was no such bid and that it has been invented now to try and make them seem less greedy or desperate. A cynical view maybe, however the secrecy and continued unwillingness to share key details of the sale (such as who is ACTUALLY buying the Club) mean that anything is possible.
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Requiem on 13:09 - Jun 6 with 2077 viewsdickythorpe

For a game that ultimately is down to 11v11 on a field trying to score more goals than each other, we dont half get worked up and dramatic!!!
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Requiem on 17:29 - Jun 6 with 2010 viewsclloy2

Requiem on 13:09 - Jun 6 by dickythorpe

For a game that ultimately is down to 11v11 on a field trying to score more goals than each other, we dont half get worked up and dramatic!!!


Thank God for some more sensible responses. Anyone think Petty had returned.
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Requiem on 17:41 - Jun 6 with 1985 viewsperchrockjack

No PERCHIE NOT TALKING CRAP nor posting anything too intellectual for the average mind, simply "speaking" from a more informed position. You ll have to work it out I'm sorry to say.

It kinda proves Tony s point ,which was he feels too many posts-rightly of wrongly- disrespect him, the late straw seems to be Lady Lisa

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Requiem on 17:47 - Jun 6 with 1977 viewsOldjack

Show me anything good about theses Yanks ,go on i dare you ,this is a desperation sell up make no bones about that , show me the investment ,bet you can't

IT FUKING STINKS !

Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!

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Requiem on 17:50 - Jun 6 with 1972 viewsperchrockjack

don't have to Alan.

I'm not the problem

Like you, I'm an outsider.


You nor I do not know FOR CERTAIN how this will end up.


SHOW ME HOW IT WILL, GOOD ON SHOW ME.


I'm out now anyway but make sure you wear sunscreen and a big hat.

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Requiem on 17:52 - Jun 6 with 1971 viewsOldjack

Requiem on 17:50 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack

don't have to Alan.

I'm not the problem

Like you, I'm an outsider.


You nor I do not know FOR CERTAIN how this will end up.


SHOW ME HOW IT WILL, GOOD ON SHOW ME.


I'm out now anyway but make sure you wear sunscreen and a big hat.


I'm not replying to your post ,it's what i and many others think about this

Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!

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Requiem on 18:22 - Jun 6 with 1937 viewsperchrockjack

And some would feel it's simple envy to see Swansea people becoming rich, people who had the balls to put their own money into the club when things weren't exactly rosy.

I feel I have no right whatsoever to question their motives nor how much or what they do with their dividends. What MANY outside this site are wondering just htf people who genuinely helped our club are demonised as they are.


It's also a FACT the many might not know jackshit. Posturing on here is one thing, to actually put you own money is something different.

I was replying to your post

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Requiem on 18:28 - Jun 6 with 1657 viewsJackfath

I'm not surprised this thread has turned into people wanting to personalise the current situation. Some people have very big egos.

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Requiem on 18:32 - Jun 6 with 1646 viewsDarran

Requiem on 18:22 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack

And some would feel it's simple envy to see Swansea people becoming rich, people who had the balls to put their own money into the club when things weren't exactly rosy.

I feel I have no right whatsoever to question their motives nor how much or what they do with their dividends. What MANY outside this site are wondering just htf people who genuinely helped our club are demonised as they are.


It's also a FACT the many might not know jackshit. Posturing on here is one thing, to actually put you own money is something different.

I was replying to your post


We might end up like Aston Villa, like you say nobody knows.

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Requiem on 18:54 - Jun 6 with 1608 viewslifelong

Requiem on 18:22 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack

And some would feel it's simple envy to see Swansea people becoming rich, people who had the balls to put their own money into the club when things weren't exactly rosy.

I feel I have no right whatsoever to question their motives nor how much or what they do with their dividends. What MANY outside this site are wondering just htf people who genuinely helped our club are demonised as they are.


It's also a FACT the many might not know jackshit. Posturing on here is one thing, to actually put you own money is something different.

I was replying to your post


It's not so long ago that you accused our chairman of being mentally ill.
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Requiem on 18:56 - Jun 6 with 1603 viewsOldjack

Requiem on 18:22 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack

And some would feel it's simple envy to see Swansea people becoming rich, people who had the balls to put their own money into the club when things weren't exactly rosy.

I feel I have no right whatsoever to question their motives nor how much or what they do with their dividends. What MANY outside this site are wondering just htf people who genuinely helped our club are demonised as they are.


It's also a FACT the many might not know jackshit. Posturing on here is one thing, to actually put you own money is something different.

I was replying to your post


Don't get me wrong they're entitled to sell up their beloved club ,but to theses Yanks , who've I've yet to see anything good written about them , Sell behind peoples backs no investment on the table to date ,The ball started really rolling when they realized they could loose millions on their shares , desperation i'm afraid

Prosser the Tosser dwells on Phil's bum hole like a rusty old hemorrhoid ,fact You Greedy Bastards Get Out Of OUR Club!

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Requiem on 19:53 - Jun 6 with 1531 viewspikeypaul

The ride may well get more exciting,stick with it.

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Requiem on 19:54 - Jun 6 with 1519 viewsgiantstoneater

Requiem on 21:09 - Jun 5 by Gowerjack

FFS Dav

This is where it starts to get interesting.

Strap yourself in and enjoy the ride.

Where would your attitude have got us when Petty was around ?

And by the way none of us were born Swansea supporters its a lifestyle choice like being a train spotter or stamp collector.


GJ is right Dav it's the "Swansea way" and another rollercoaster, ones thing for sure we will need more than Balaclavas to win this fight we will need people like yourself to put our point of view across with eloquence and represent us on the other side of the pond. The trust are still in the mix and hopefully whoever else still has shares will work with them rather than the new investors and we should always remind them who the club "really" belongs to.
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Requiem on 20:13 - Jun 6 with 1493 viewsoldcob

As Billy Ocean would say "When the going gets tough.........
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Requiem on 20:49 - Jun 6 with 1441 viewslondonlisa2001

Requiem on 17:41 - Jun 6 by perchrockjack

No PERCHIE NOT TALKING CRAP nor posting anything too intellectual for the average mind, simply "speaking" from a more informed position. You ll have to work it out I'm sorry to say.

It kinda proves Tony s point ,which was he feels too many posts-rightly of wrongly- disrespect him, the late straw seems to be Lady Lisa


No idea why you're bringing me into this?

I didn't show Davillin enough respect? What is he, Vito Corleone?

I showed him a damn sight more respect than he showed me or many others. .

Anyway - if he wants to get people to beg him to stay that's up to him. I don't care one way or the other. I personally believe that when something you love is in trouble you run towards it not slink away from it, but that's just me.

Whatever.
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Requiem on 21:41 - Jun 6 with 1384 viewsdougie

Requiem on 18:56 - Jun 6 by Oldjack

Don't get me wrong they're entitled to sell up their beloved club ,but to theses Yanks , who've I've yet to see anything good written about them , Sell behind peoples backs no investment on the table to date ,The ball started really rolling when they realized they could loose millions on their shares , desperation i'm afraid


Seen anything bad written about them ?

Lets face it we all post stuff based on supposition, assumption and rumour. We actually know jack sh1t about all this or how it got to where it is now.

The ship has sailed lads and the trust is left on mumbles pier wondering whether to punt its dividends in the arcade ( if it is still there ?). I do think there is need for change in an organisation that holds 21 % of our club.
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Requiem on 22:01 - Jun 6 with 1353 viewsnice_to_michu

Requiem on 20:49 - Jun 6 by londonlisa2001

No idea why you're bringing me into this?

I didn't show Davillin enough respect? What is he, Vito Corleone?

I showed him a damn sight more respect than he showed me or many others. .

Anyway - if he wants to get people to beg him to stay that's up to him. I don't care one way or the other. I personally believe that when something you love is in trouble you run towards it not slink away from it, but that's just me.

Whatever.


Your comment is "on-point" as all the cool kids say.
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