| Linford Christie Stadium. 18:04 - Aug 9 with 149583 views | ted_hendrix |
That's where our new ground will be. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:13 - Oct 29 with 2701 views | enfieldargh |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 09:14 - Oct 29 by Lanhoop |
It was half term for a lot of kids this week so there were a good number there. Ellerslie looked to have more empty spaces. |
sitting in G Block JU back few rows always pretty empty. Rest of the ground looked full however cant see ABC blocks which are usually less populated |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:22 - Oct 29 with 2679 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:46 - Oct 28 by BostonR |
That statement needs an immediate response from the club - mind-blowingly stupid from H&F . The club should call them out on what planning deals were done with developers around White City. One would imagine they bend over backwards for those investments.
Demolishing most of SAR might be a concern for H&F but they can always refuse planning permission. Perhaps they have given up to another developer - just a thought.
H&F are playing politics here, but to what end? Something is not stacking up - call in the lawyers and have it out. |
The reason I asked about the validity of the covenant is that it would preclude the building of housing stock on the site. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:46 - Oct 29 with 2591 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 00:05 - Oct 29 by wombat |
Never seen that before costs would be prob be 110 to 125 in the present climate though so no way achievable to the club as pay back would never happen just on extra bodies though the door on match days , maybe workable if the club was allowed to use the stadium more over a longer period of time |
Option Bosh 67 originally mentioned and I added to was to bolt-on an extension to South Africa Road stand above the existing footpath at 1st, 2nd & 3rd Floors.
So as you walk South Africa Upper concourse now and look out the windows to the estate, a new extended level here could provide a similar corporate experience to Arsenal where Platinum & Gold season ticket holders could access a Bar Lounge for Food + Drinks etc
It would allow the W12 & C-Clubs to be extended (if required) and could also accommodate back-of-house offices etc so a new enlarged Superstore could be located on the Ground Floor space freed up.
Relocating the Corporate Boxes so the South Africa Lower Tier seating is reinstated is another option, as Boxes in current format (no outside access) do not sell, so why not relocate to lounge as above with outside platinum seating?
Bottom-line, £ 10m would cover this (I'm in this game) and we're at Loftus Road for at least another 10 years (imo) so why not review + refocus - we need a 23k stadium with facilities that are attractive to hirers (eg a Wasps, Boxing etc) and an extended South Africa Road stand ticks these boxes.
Hopefully success of bond will give owners confidence to consider above + invest. |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:58 - Oct 29 with 2544 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:46 - Oct 29 by ParkRoyalR |
Option Bosh 67 originally mentioned and I added to was to bolt-on an extension to South Africa Road stand above the existing footpath at 1st, 2nd & 3rd Floors.
So as you walk South Africa Upper concourse now and look out the windows to the estate, a new extended level here could provide a similar corporate experience to Arsenal where Platinum & Gold season ticket holders could access a Bar Lounge for Food + Drinks etc
It would allow the W12 & C-Clubs to be extended (if required) and could also accommodate back-of-house offices etc so a new enlarged Superstore could be located on the Ground Floor space freed up.
Relocating the Corporate Boxes so the South Africa Lower Tier seating is reinstated is another option, as Boxes in current format (no outside access) do not sell, so why not relocate to lounge as above with outside platinum seating?
Bottom-line, £ 10m would cover this (I'm in this game) and we're at Loftus Road for at least another 10 years (imo) so why not review + refocus - we need a 23k stadium with facilities that are attractive to hirers (eg a Wasps, Boxing etc) and an extended South Africa Road stand ticks these boxes.
Hopefully success of bond will give owners confidence to consider above + invest. |
I do think the focus should now be on what can we do with Loftus Road. That sounds a good idea to me |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:19 - Oct 29 with 2463 views | Rs_Holy |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:58 - Oct 29 by daveB |
I do think the focus should now be on what can we do with Loftus Road. That sounds a good idea to me |
If they can address the cramped seating, restricted views, lack of cover at the front of 3 stands, small food outlet areas/toilets then I think its a great idea! |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:23 - Oct 29 with 2454 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 11:58 - Oct 29 by daveB |
I do think the focus should now be on what can we do with Loftus Road. That sounds a good idea to me |
I think the fans will need to get behind this or similar as H&F Council's statement demonstrates their childishness,
If the fans get behind something along these lines, and lobby local Councillors, they will listen to the 'people' as opposed to making snide cheap comments about foreign owners,
The same foreign owners / british citizens who are currently using their own money to keep our community football club afloat and out of administration! | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:30 - Oct 29 with 2413 views | BrianMcCarthy |
Good idea. I can't see it ever getting planning, though? Any expansion of the Saffa would surely block out sunlight to the flats on the other side of the road. |  |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 with 2366 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |  | | |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:44 - Oct 29 with 2363 views | Northernr |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
And the repeated reference to "foreign" owners? |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 29 with 2318 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
The benefit to the local community is keeping the local club in the community, as it has been for maybe 100 years.
If H&F want a further 'bung' so they can keep local voters onside and keep their cushy 9-4 numbers that's another conversation.
Cannot see how investing in a dilapidated + under-used Linford Christie Stadium is property speculation, but if you're of the mindset to use cheap-shot foreign owner jibes, you really should'nt be in any sort of position that requires a mature + balanced mindset.
Anyway, not interested in politics, just whats best for QPR, and to me that's a refurbished 23k-25k stadium at Loftus Road. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:04 - Oct 29 with 2287 views | ParkRoyalR |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:30 - Oct 29 by BrianMcCarthy |
Good idea. I can't see it ever getting planning, though? Any expansion of the Saffa would surely block out sunlight to the flats on the other side of the road. |
Not a Rights of Light expert, but if you're bring the roof out to the pavement edge by some 10 metres at the same height, I think it would have minimal / zero impact on sunlight / daylight in flats opposite.
Key issue would be planning to oversail / build-over the pavement. This is within H&F's gift.
I think if the club was to submit a planning application on this basis, H&F would have to be seen to receive positively as no reason not to, plus it might have the added benefit of forcing their hand long-term about Linford Christie site, ie, we don't need it, but if we ever do become a sustainable Premier League club, we'd be willing to talk about a land-swap. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:07 - Oct 29 with 2262 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
Isn't the idea of the stadium to make is a community stadium with facilities the community can use.
Really they need to stop arguing over the internet and get into a room together | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:08 - Oct 29 with 2262 views | toboboly |
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:08 - Oct 29 with 2259 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:44 - Oct 29 by Northernr |
And the repeated reference to "foreign" owners? |
Unfortunate wording and bad PR but 200,000 homes are empty in the UK and 33% are owned by overseas companies.
Most councils are clamping down. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:10 - Oct 29 with 2246 views | QPR_Jim |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:42 - Oct 29 by BazzaInTheLoft |
I'm 100% behind the Council. And before anyone starts, i've backed Tory Cllrs in other areas over similar issues with the FSA.
Would love a new stadium, but it can't come without benefit to the local community. The club (and by these I mean the directors) can't have their cake and eat it. Both Chelsea and Fulham provided community assets. Why are we so special?
Build on LFC, turn LR into whatever local amenity is needed. Simple. We are a football club not property speculators. |
They've not said that though have they. They've just said they won't give it to us for free which would be OK if it wasn't so clearly a drain on their finances and something they have no clue what to do with. That's why they come across as childish.
How about a swap of land then, we sell them LR and they sell us LCS, they can build on it what they like then. You'll be surprised how quickly the local amenity the council deem as required will turn from a playing fields/ a school or a hospital into housing once they own it.
Ultimately if they want to make these decisions they should do it through their local plan and planning policy not hold people to ransom based on what they feel they can get out of them, which appears to be what they are doing here. (Hence millionaire owners references) |  | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:10 - Oct 29 with 2238 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 29 by ParkRoyalR |
The benefit to the local community is keeping the local club in the community, as it has been for maybe 100 years.
If H&F want a further 'bung' so they can keep local voters onside and keep their cushy 9-4 numbers that's another conversation.
Cannot see how investing in a dilapidated + under-used Linford Christie Stadium is property speculation, but if you're of the mindset to use cheap-shot foreign owner jibes, you really should'nt be in any sort of position that requires a mature + balanced mindset.
Anyway, not interested in politics, just whats best for QPR, and to me that's a refurbished 23k-25k stadium at Loftus Road. |
Three paragraphs of politics and then you tell us you aren't interested in it. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:11 - Oct 29 with 2864 views | ParkRoyalR |
Great response, such a shame H&F could'nt have offered Linford Christie Stadium as a base for our new training ground, that would have been a superb community asset and a magnet for aspiring young footballers in West & North London.
Heston's great, but does n't get away from the next Raheem Sterling travelling on 4 buses till nearly midnight to go training after school, or a good number of similar kids in Harlesden on the other side of the Scrubs being scouted by Norwich!
Massive missed opportunity for both H&F and QPR imo. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:14 - Oct 29 with 2918 views | daveB |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:10 - Oct 29 by QPR_Jim |
They've not said that though have they. They've just said they won't give it to us for free which would be OK if it wasn't so clearly a drain on their finances and something they have no clue what to do with. That's why they come across as childish.
How about a swap of land then, we sell them LR and they sell us LCS, they can build on it what they like then. You'll be surprised how quickly the local amenity the council deem as required will turn from a playing fields/ a school or a hospital into housing once they own it.
Ultimately if they want to make these decisions they should do it through their local plan and planning policy not hold people to ransom based on what they feel they can get out of them, which appears to be what they are doing here. (Hence millionaire owners references) |
this is quite an interesting timeline of events.
The procurement process announced last October still hasn't started
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:15 - Oct 29 with 2914 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:10 - Oct 29 by QPR_Jim |
They've not said that though have they. They've just said they won't give it to us for free which would be OK if it wasn't so clearly a drain on their finances and something they have no clue what to do with. That's why they come across as childish.
How about a swap of land then, we sell them LR and they sell us LCS, they can build on it what they like then. You'll be surprised how quickly the local amenity the council deem as required will turn from a playing fields/ a school or a hospital into housing once they own it.
Ultimately if they want to make these decisions they should do it through their local plan and planning policy not hold people to ransom based on what they feel they can get out of them, which appears to be what they are doing here. (Hence millionaire owners references) |
It is exactly what they said. Schools and hospitals are also a drain on the public purse. Should we hand them over too when they become dilapidated?
Plenty of precedent on how to conduct the planning of a new stadium. You don't strong arm the council for starters because they will have the NIMBYs onside for starters and then the whole project is lost
Hope it all works out, but my sympathies just don't lie with billionaire property developers and airline magnates. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:16 - Oct 29 with 2899 views | NewBee |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:44 - Oct 29 by Northernr |
And the repeated reference to "foreign" owners? |
Speaking as an outside observer, surely the "foreign owners" reference is explained as follows.
QPR appear to be asking LBH&F to gift them the land at LCS (on the basis that they risk losing QPR to the Borough if they don't?).
Now let us suppose that the land is worth, say, £30m(?) for development purposes. Then QPR build a stadium on it for £100m(?).
It would then be open to the owners to accept any offer over £100m from a new buyer and they'd still make a profit (though the whole venture would likely fetch more than £130m).
Meaning the whole of the £30m value of the site would effectively have been lost to LBH&F and remember, it doesn't belong to the Council, it belongs to the people who live within the Borough.
Now let us consider if QPR were owned eg by your supporters, or some other local Community Trust. In those circumstances, the £30m value of the land at LCS could be argued to be staying within the Borough, albeit indirectly.
Moreover, such owners would be far less likely to want to expoit the club for their own personal gain (asset-stripping, redevelopment, sale to some Saudi mass murderer etc).
To take a comparison (I know, I know), but LB Hounslow were generally pretty helpful to BFC, not least because they knew that local man Matthew Benham had the best long-term interests of the club at heart. Also they didn't have to contribute to the cost of the project, while it brought in 1,000 new homes to a brownfield industrial site/Griffin Park.
Of course, QPR fans might argue that your owners are similarly well-disposed towards the club and the area.
But LBH&F aren't in the business of relying on such sentiment, esp when there are so many other foreign vultures hovering around English football clubs.
Besides, things can always change.
P.S. Of course there remains another option open to QPR, which is to make the Council a fair offer for the land they need. Considering the state of local government finances, I doubt that LBH&F would turn the money down just because it was in foreign currency. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:17 - Oct 29 with 2902 views | dmm |
It's a good response by Hoos and would appear to trash some of the criticisms made in the council's latest statement.
However, the two sides really do need to meet now to talk openly and honestly. A public conversation of insinuation and veiled meaning won't get anyone anywhere. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 13:19]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:18 - Oct 29 with 2894 views | terryb |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 12:56 - Oct 29 by ParkRoyalR |
The benefit to the local community is keeping the local club in the community, as it has been for maybe 100 years.
If H&F want a further 'bung' so they can keep local voters onside and keep their cushy 9-4 numbers that's another conversation.
Cannot see how investing in a dilapidated + under-used Linford Christie Stadium is property speculation, but if you're of the mindset to use cheap-shot foreign owner jibes, you really should'nt be in any sort of position that requires a mature + balanced mindset.
Anyway, not interested in politics, just whats best for QPR, and to me that's a refurbished 23k-25k stadium at Loftus Road. |
"Cannot see how investing in a dilapidated + under-used Linford Christie Stadium is property speculation"
I think this was a reference to building houses/flats on the current stadium, rather than at the Linford Christie Stadium.
Anyhow, it would now appear to be back in the hands of Stephen Cowan. [Post edited 29 Oct 2021 13:22]
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| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:18 - Oct 29 with 2896 views | BazzaInTheLoft |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:16 - Oct 29 by NewBee |
Speaking as an outside observer, surely the "foreign owners" reference is explained as follows.
QPR appear to be asking LBH&F to gift them the land at LCS (on the basis that they risk losing QPR to the Borough if they don't?).
Now let us suppose that the land is worth, say, £30m(?) for development purposes. Then QPR build a stadium on it for £100m(?).
It would then be open to the owners to accept any offer over £100m from a new buyer and they'd still make a profit (though the whole venture would likely fetch more than £130m).
Meaning the whole of the £30m value of the site would effectively have been lost to LBH&F and remember, it doesn't belong to the Council, it belongs to the people who live within the Borough.
Now let us consider if QPR were owned eg by your supporters, or some other local Community Trust. In those circumstances, the £30m value of the land at LCS could be argued to be staying within the Borough, albeit indirectly.
Moreover, such owners would be far less likely to want to expoit the club for their own personal gain (asset-stripping, redevelopment, sale to some Saudi mass murderer etc).
To take a comparison (I know, I know), but LB Hounslow were generally pretty helpful to BFC, not least because they knew that local man Matthew Benham had the best long-term interests of the club at heart. Also they didn't have to contribute to the cost of the project, while it brought in 1,000 new homes to a brownfield industrial site/Griffin Park.
Of course, QPR fans might argue that your owners are similarly well-disposed towards the club and the area.
But LBH&F aren't in the business of relying on such sentiment, esp when there are so many other foreign vultures hovering around English football clubs.
Besides, things can always change.
P.S. Of course there remains another option open to QPR, which is to make the Council a fair offer for the land they need. Considering the state of local government finances, I doubt that LBH&F would turn the money down just because it was in foreign currency. |
Common sense post. | | | |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:18 - Oct 29 with 2895 views | Northernr |
| Linford Christie Stadium. on 13:16 - Oct 29 by NewBee |
Speaking as an outside observer, surely the "foreign owners" reference is explained as follows.
QPR appear to be asking LBH&F to gift them the land at LCS (on the basis that they risk losing QPR to the Borough if they don't?).
Now let us suppose that the land is worth, say, £30m(?) for development purposes. Then QPR build a stadium on it for £100m(?).
It would then be open to the owners to accept any offer over £100m from a new buyer and they'd still make a profit (though the whole venture would likely fetch more than £130m).
Meaning the whole of the £30m value of the site would effectively have been lost to LBH&F and remember, it doesn't belong to the Council, it belongs to the people who live within the Borough.
Now let us consider if QPR were owned eg by your supporters, or some other local Community Trust. In those circumstances, the £30m value of the land at LCS could be argued to be staying within the Borough, albeit indirectly.
Moreover, such owners would be far less likely to want to expoit the club for their own personal gain (asset-stripping, redevelopment, sale to some Saudi mass murderer etc).
To take a comparison (I know, I know), but LB Hounslow were generally pretty helpful to BFC, not least because they knew that local man Matthew Benham had the best long-term interests of the club at heart. Also they didn't have to contribute to the cost of the project, while it brought in 1,000 new homes to a brownfield industrial site/Griffin Park.
Of course, QPR fans might argue that your owners are similarly well-disposed towards the club and the area.
But LBH&F aren't in the business of relying on such sentiment, esp when there are so many other foreign vultures hovering around English football clubs.
Besides, things can always change.
P.S. Of course there remains another option open to QPR, which is to make the Council a fair offer for the land they need. Considering the state of local government finances, I doubt that LBH&F would turn the money down just because it was in foreign currency. |
And how is any of that any different if it's a big fat English owner like Mike Ashley? | | | |
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