| Trump v Zelensky 19:22 - Feb 28 with 21853 views | Drewster |
Absolutely bizarre scenes in the Oval Office today, staggering.
Trump and his VP clearly had a plan to ambush him, but to do it so publicly was bad form.
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| Trump v Zelensky on 07:22 - Mar 4 with 807 views | Bluce_Ree |
Trump is an evil idiot.
People have been accusing him of being a Russian asset and now he's proving it.
In my opinion he is too emotionally fragile to have that job. Too much of a pro-Russian cocksucker too. |  |
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| Trump v Zelensky on 07:25 - Mar 4 with 804 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Trump v Zelensky on 06:54 - Mar 4 by loftboy |
Trump stopping his Aid now. |
Over to the US public to react now, I know they voted him in, but they are also facing jittery stock markets and a potential trade war. Hopefully we will also see a massive outpouring of support for Ukraine in the US.
Worrying times all round, need a strong Europe to ensure Ukraine survives as a sovereign state. |  | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:28 - Mar 4 with 780 views | Wilkinswatercarrier |
I cannot believe some of the misinformation and down right lies that some people on here spout defending Putin.
Either people are naive or downright fascist to come out with some of the comments, some clearly tinged with racist undertones.
Suggest some on here read Russian history and look at Russian Imperial maps to see Putins ideal end to this war. | | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:45 - Mar 4 with 714 views | Juzzie |
“In an interview with Fox News a few hours ago, Vice-President JD Vance said the door was open for Ukraine to return to negotiations if Zelensky "is willing to seriously talk peace".
When he is ready to talk about what he is prepared to give up, Vance said, President Trump will be the first person to pick up the phone.”
That’s it in a nutshell. Ukraine have lost Donbas and if Zelensky agrees to give it up are the US willing to offer support should Putin decide to go west again or is the door now open for him to do that in the future without retaliation once he’s reorganised? |  | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:49 - Mar 4 with 701 views | dmm |
| Trump v Zelensky on 08:45 - Mar 3 by TheChef |
All the world is a stage. |
...we're going through. |  | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:58 - Mar 4 with 673 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:22 - Mar 4 by Bluce_Ree |
Trump is an evil idiot.
People have been accusing him of being a Russian asset and now he's proving it.
In my opinion he is too emotionally fragile to have that job. Too much of a pro-Russian cocksucker too. |
Hegseth pausing cyber counter intelligence against Russia soon after DOGE stole everyone's personal data is a clear sign who is pulling the strings now. The rush to get the next gen Starlink satellites up and running has ominous overtones too. |  |
| The grass is always greener. |
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| Trump v Zelensky on 08:25 - Mar 4 with 614 views | Sonic_Hoop |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:58 - Mar 4 by Esox_Lucius |
Hegseth pausing cyber counter intelligence against Russia soon after DOGE stole everyone's personal data is a clear sign who is pulling the strings now. The rush to get the next gen Starlink satellites up and running has ominous overtones too. |
To be fair, the Tories blocked the Russian interference report here too |  | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 08:28 - Mar 4 with 603 views | Orthodox_Hoop |
| Trump v Zelensky on 07:28 - Mar 4 by Wilkinswatercarrier |
I cannot believe some of the misinformation and down right lies that some people on here spout defending Putin.
Either people are naive or downright fascist to come out with some of the comments, some clearly tinged with racist undertones.
Suggest some on here read Russian history and look at Russian Imperial maps to see Putins ideal end to this war. |
That's a serious accusation wilkins, can you give receipts on these fascist comments as I must have missed them. Absolutely no place for that here.
No place for racism here either - although I'm yet to see anything racist myself. Unfortunately I've witnessed actual racism on this message board with zero consequences or remorse, but as a previous poster pointed out "some people on LfW are more equal than others." |  | | |
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| Trump v Zelensky on 10:11 - Mar 4 with 409 views | derbyhoop |
| Trump v Zelensky on 11:27 - Mar 2 by derbyhoop |
Fundamentally, neither Ukraine, VZ nor W European leaders trust Putin. Trump/Vincent don't or don't want to understand those concerns. |
Why would anybody trust Putin to keep his word. First incursion into Ukraine was 2014, when they seized Crimea. Then, pause a few years before invading the Donbass.
If a ceasefire is agreed, to Trump's benefit, without security guarantees, Putin will just regroup and come again for the rest of Ukraine. |  |
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| Trump v Zelensky on 10:21 - Mar 4 with 368 views | QPunkR |
| Trump v Zelensky on 10:11 - Mar 4 by derbyhoop |
Why would anybody trust Putin to keep his word. First incursion into Ukraine was 2014, when they seized Crimea. Then, pause a few years before invading the Donbass.
If a ceasefire is agreed, to Trump's benefit, without security guarantees, Putin will just regroup and come again for the rest of Ukraine. |
100% - there is not a single doubt in my mind about this.
However, how to proceed and not allow that to happen is another matter entirely. My opinion is that it does actually require a U.S. backstop unfortunately - simply because it is too dangerous to admit Ukraine into NATO (if that organisation even exists in a couple of months). Plus the possibility of Ukraine joining was realistically the straw that broke the camel's back and persuaded Putin to invade in the first place |  |
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| Trump v Zelensky on 10:23 - Mar 4 with 350 views | ChrisNW6 |
| Trump v Zelensky on 10:11 - Mar 4 by derbyhoop |
Why would anybody trust Putin to keep his word. First incursion into Ukraine was 2014, when they seized Crimea. Then, pause a few years before invading the Donbass.
If a ceasefire is agreed, to Trump's benefit, without security guarantees, Putin will just regroup and come again for the rest of Ukraine. |
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/live/bbc_radio_five_live?partner=uk.co.bbc&
Worth listening to John Sweeney (9:05) his views are really interesting and come from a place of first hand experience.
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| Trump v Zelensky on 10:34 - Mar 4 with 307 views | Esox_Lucius |
| Trump v Zelensky on 08:25 - Mar 4 by Sonic_Hoop |
To be fair, the Tories blocked the Russian interference report here too |
Firing all his Chiefs of staff and J.A.G's so as to remove any control over what he can do with the U.S. armed services too. Is there any doubt now over his being a Russian asset? | |
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| Trump v Zelensky on 10:52 - Mar 4 with 223 views | essextaxiboy |
| Trump v Zelensky on 08:28 - Mar 4 by Orthodox_Hoop |
That's a serious accusation wilkins, can you give receipts on these fascist comments as I must have missed them. Absolutely no place for that here.
No place for racism here either - although I'm yet to see anything racist myself. Unfortunately I've witnessed actual racism on this message board with zero consequences or remorse, but as a previous poster pointed out "some people on LfW are more equal than others." |
Your last paragraph is a serious accusation . I think you should retract it or link to an historic example of it it . |  | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 10:59 - Mar 4 with 169 views | Juzzie |
Something else I noticed, if I may, towards the end of the spat last Friday..... Trump looked at the people in front of him and said "It’s going to be very hard to do business like this".
This is the problem, it's not business. It's politics/diplomacy. I don't even think it's a turn of phrase either, he really does mean 'business'.
This I think is why Vance blew up when Zelensky asked what the diplomacy was because they don't know, they don't do diplomacy. They probably don't even know how to because they do business and business that is entirely on their terms with no regards for the consequences of that to other parties.
So, their idea of peace is for Ukraine to lose 20% of it's land, it's natural resources and still have the threat of further incursion from Putin into their land.
Sure, it'll mean people will stop dying, for now, but at huge cost to the country and its people.
If it does mean it's over you can bet your bottom dollar Trump will claim to be a glorious peacekeeper and Putin will absolutely milk it for all he's worth. How he oversaw a glorious victory and 'protected' the sovereign motherland & liberated the Russian Donbas area (remember the clearly rigged 2014 referendum that voted 96.2% in favour of the Donbas aligning to Russia?) and will, as said above, use the time to regroup and go again in a few years. | | | |
| Trump v Zelensky on 11:27 - Mar 4 with 36 views | Orthodox_Hoop |
| Trump v Zelensky on 10:52 - Mar 4 by essextaxiboy |
Your last paragraph is a serious accusation . I think you should retract it or link to an historic example of it it . |
You're right - I'll retract that. The previous threads are there I assume and don't have the will to trawl through them, nor know how to link them.
I can see this thread is going down the road of previous ones so for Clive's sanity I'll take a step back and hope for a dignified peace for the Ukrainian people and leave it there. [Post edited 4 Mar 11:27]
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| Trump v Zelensky on 11:30 - Mar 4 with 23 views | Juzzie |
No might about it, that is what the US want. They were hoping Zelensky would sign the deal last week but without any assurances of security against Putin. When the US wouldn't give this, he wouldn't sign. Who can blame him.
This is what Lindsay Graham was talking about after the meeting. He was basically complaining that Zelensky hadn't signed the resources deal so they could then discuss afterwards the security aspects. Once the deal signed, that weakens Zelensky massively as he has no bargaining chip (or 'cards') and is what infuriated Trump because he didn't get what he wanted and had a tantrum. | | | |
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