| Pitch update on 16:21 - Jan 14 with 2041 views | 49thseason |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 14 by D_Alien |
So why would those people who you claim wouldn't want to move close to Rochdale now, have done so back when Kingsway was being opened? |
I dont think the sort of people they need for their "AdvancedMaterials" centre would have come to Kingsway but engineers, manufacturing companies etc were the original target audience for Kingsway ...
Advanced materials involves a whole other level of expertise, Phd level people as a minimum. Bio stuff like artificial skin, and Retinas , semi conductors, alloys, nanomaterials etc etc. And the current timing could hardly be worse, Rochdale has been in the news for all the wrong reasons worldwide recently, and it was already difficult to recruit teachers, doctors and dentists and the like to the town , much less the best of the best.
Even if they do come to Rochdale to work, they will live somewhere else and commute , just like the BBC staff in Manchester who moved up from London do, many of whom commute from the Peak District |  | |  |
| Pitch update on 16:46 - Jan 14 with 1959 views | D_Alien |
| Pitch update on 16:21 - Jan 14 by 49thseason |
I dont think the sort of people they need for their "AdvancedMaterials" centre would have come to Kingsway but engineers, manufacturing companies etc were the original target audience for Kingsway ...
Advanced materials involves a whole other level of expertise, Phd level people as a minimum. Bio stuff like artificial skin, and Retinas , semi conductors, alloys, nanomaterials etc etc. And the current timing could hardly be worse, Rochdale has been in the news for all the wrong reasons worldwide recently, and it was already difficult to recruit teachers, doctors and dentists and the like to the town , much less the best of the best.
Even if they do come to Rochdale to work, they will live somewhere else and commute , just like the BBC staff in Manchester who moved up from London do, many of whom commute from the Peak District |
Much of that rings true, but Atom Valley isn't exactly embedded within Rochdale in the same way that Kingsway is
Another factor that's not been mentioned is the working environments the Ogden team are used to in their line of business. Spotland must seem, shall we say, "quaint" and if there's a viable opportunity to grasp the nettle and start afresh at a new-build stadium i'm pretty sure they'd be the first to look into it
On which note, if space could be found for a Dale move to Kingsway (and with the right will, there's additional space adjacent to the original footprint) their presence might just encourage higher-value tenants in due course |  |
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| Pitch update on 11:37 - Jan 15 with 1368 views | 49thseason |
| Pitch update on 16:46 - Jan 14 by D_Alien |
Much of that rings true, but Atom Valley isn't exactly embedded within Rochdale in the same way that Kingsway is
Another factor that's not been mentioned is the working environments the Ogden team are used to in their line of business. Spotland must seem, shall we say, "quaint" and if there's a viable opportunity to grasp the nettle and start afresh at a new-build stadium i'm pretty sure they'd be the first to look into it
On which note, if space could be found for a Dale move to Kingsway (and with the right will, there's additional space adjacent to the original footprint) their presence might just encourage higher-value tenants in due course |
Kingsway or AV it matters little, both have good motorway access and the surrounding area is away from housing so no real parking problems especially if we could get a bit of cooperation from places that dont work nights and Saturdays,
Kingsway of course also benefits from the tram stop......who knows there might also be room for a helicopter pad!.. another benefit for the Borough!
As some have pointed out a new stadium would also permit a number of peripheral businesses to piggy back around and inside it providing additional revenue.
A new ground, a new start... just the small matter of £10m +....but then you imagine the Ogdens know plenty of potential investors. | | | |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 with 1134 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Pitch update on 11:37 - Jan 15 by 49thseason |
Kingsway or AV it matters little, both have good motorway access and the surrounding area is away from housing so no real parking problems especially if we could get a bit of cooperation from places that dont work nights and Saturdays,
Kingsway of course also benefits from the tram stop......who knows there might also be room for a helicopter pad!.. another benefit for the Borough!
As some have pointed out a new stadium would also permit a number of peripheral businesses to piggy back around and inside it providing additional revenue.
A new ground, a new start... just the small matter of £10m +....but then you imagine the Ogdens know plenty of potential investors. |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |  | | |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 15 with 1067 views | BigKindo |
Could Willbutts Lane chippy be included in relocation plans? |  | | |
| Pitch update on 14:15 - Jan 15 with 1033 views | Daleaholic |
| Pitch update on 14:05 - Jan 15 by BigKindo |
Could Willbutts Lane chippy be included in relocation plans? |
Brick by brick. |  |
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| Pitch update on 15:42 - Jan 15 with 894 views | finberty |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |
And the top of Drake Street would not present the same risk of flooding that the bottom of Drake Street already does. Marvellous drainage potential. |  | | |
| Pitch update on 16:23 - Jan 15 with 796 views | dawlishdale |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |
As a comparison, Boston United's new ground which would probably be too small for us is thought to have cost £12m, whilst York City's stadium cost an eye watering £42m,
I thought the Council approved plans for 200 houses on the Drake St site not long ago? |  | | |
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| Pitch update on 16:37 - Jan 15 with 741 views | Plattyswrinklynuts |
| Pitch update on 16:23 - Jan 15 by dawlishdale |
As a comparison, Boston United's new ground which would probably be too small for us is thought to have cost £12m, whilst York City's stadium cost an eye watering £42m,
I thought the Council approved plans for 200 houses on the Drake St site not long ago? |
The council missed out on the last tranche of levelling up cash & last I read was waiting for funding to get the project moving. | | | |
| Pitch update on 17:02 - Jan 15 with 628 views | 49thseason |
| Pitch update on 13:35 - Jan 15 by Plattyswrinklynuts |
I think you can at least double that £10M figure 49th!
It depends on how much hospitality etc you decide to put in place along with location etc… I’m not in favour of a move personally but if it’s going to happen I’d prefer to move into town, the top of Drake St hasn’t yet been built on & would be plenty big enough (I’ve looked at the footprint including the retail units & the Freemasons hall & a rough calculation is that it’s about 25-30% bigger than what we have now)…
Public transport is all within a few hundred yards so no need to drive & it could act as a catalyst for the development of that part of town which has been declining for decades.
Planning permission would obviously be tricky but money talks … |
We do have a ground to sell... potentially worth £5-6m ? | | | |
| Pitch update on 18:44 - Jan 15 with 426 views | Rodingdale |
| Pitch update on 17:02 - Jan 15 by 49thseason |
We do have a ground to sell... potentially worth £5-6m ? |
I’d be interested to see your calculations on that valuation. Obviously you’ve taken into account abnormals, eg demolition? Your appraisal would need to allow for developers profit, fees, dpi, S106/CIL contributions, based on a scheme which would get planning consent. Having taken into account likely GDP of a site in a low to middling value location for Rochdale - you run the site through any developer appraisal model and come up with any positive value - I’d eat a pie with my pint in the Ratcliffe.
“a new start” Does not equal a financial turnaround. Proper financial stewardship with people who understand how to promote a product does.
The sooner the Ogdens bin Gauge and the current board the better. Putting Gauge in front of a relocation - honestly how do you think that would go??! | | | |
| Pitch update on 20:32 - Jan 15 with 156 views | EllDale |
I like that logo and name “Dale Works”.
Simple and effective. | | | |
| Pitch update on 20:38 - Jan 15 with 138 views | James1980 |
| Pitch update on 20:32 - Jan 15 by EllDale |
I like that logo and name “Dale Works”.
Simple and effective. |
Be interesting to know who the key drivers of this from the club were. | |
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