| January Transfer Window 12:03 - Nov 1 with 13428 views | KeithHaynes |
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| January Transfer Window on 09:10 - Nov 6 with 4319 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 08:16 - Nov 6 by jack247 |
We do need to get better at putting opponents away when we’re dominant. As people have already said, we invariably have a rocky spell towards the end.
Watford, despite being a step up from most of the teams we play, didn’t actually create any decent chances, but their #8 had a lot of possession down their left towards the end and looked threatening. Oxford did nothing all game and very nearly stole a draw. Milwall should have been two or three down by the time they scored. Off the top of my head, the Cardiff and Bristol City games should have been done and dusted, but we were hanging on in both after they equalised.
Just need to be a bit more clinical in the box now.
Edit - Sorry should be on the matchday thread [Post edited 6 Nov 8:17]
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A lot of points lost that shouldn't have been, must say that the goals scored in the last two games seem better constructed with the correct balls played into the box but with players in positions to take advantage. It had seemed previously that anyway near the box cross were made into positions with no thought as to who was in the box, high crosses for Cullen to get on the end of, balls into players feet with no options available to them with no support in the middle of midfield, In the last two games the support for our forwards has been better, does seem that support falls away as teams try and press us to try recover games in which we hold the lead.
Maybe a bit of thought should be given to how we make quick breaks from our defences as our front line trying to stretch defence s wide actually isolate themselves especially if our centre forward is defending our front post maybe the wingers or players breaking out of defence need to get closer similar to Key's goal last year where he quickly got close to Lowes breakaway to offer him an option that was duly dispatched . |  | | |
| January Transfer Window on 09:16 - Nov 8 with 3810 views | Daggyjack |
| January Transfer Window on 17:10 - Nov 2 by Dr_Winston |
I would suggest that a decent #10 is more important than another striker. Vipotnik and Bianchini will score goals if given the service. We saw the difference someone who can pick a pass out from advanced midfield made today, and not just for the goal. We bisected their defensive line more often in 90 minutes than we have in weeks.
We badly need another Paterson type. [Post edited 2 Nov 17:32]
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Milleskog hopefully. |  | | |
| January Transfer Window on 10:01 - Nov 8 with 3748 views | KeithHaynes |
| January Transfer Window on 09:16 - Nov 8 by Daggyjack |
Milleskog hopefully. |
👍 There will be an approach.
And two central defenders being offered appropriate contracts of course. | |
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| January Transfer Window on 10:03 - Nov 8 with 3740 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Window on 10:01 - Nov 8 by KeithHaynes |
👍 There will be an approach.
And two central defenders being offered appropriate contracts of course. |
A decent AM could really tie the team together.
Franco has done an admirable job in recent games but we're asking him to cover a bit too much in the long term. |  |
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| January Transfer Window on 11:06 - Nov 8 with 3667 views | Luther27 |
| January Transfer Window on 10:01 - Nov 8 by KeithHaynes |
👍 There will be an approach.
And two central defenders being offered appropriate contracts of course. |
Cabango and Darling contract renewal would be a cheap PR gift to the fans by the prospective new owners. An attacking midfielder would be the icing on the cake I think. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 11:37 - Nov 8 with 3609 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 10:03 - Nov 8 by Dr_Winston |
A decent AM could really tie the team together.
Franco has done an admirable job in recent games but we're asking him to cover a bit too much in the long term. |
Don't you think Grimes can play that advanced midfielder role, we saw with the rotation of the three Platino, Grimes and Paterson in the midfield last season the link play between the front players and the backs was better, I would say that trio was defensively weak especially when the back line wasn't set up properly. With the acquisition of Franco it has aided both attack and defence, yes we do need someone else in the midfield but is it one to help in both attack and defence, it has become patently obvious seeing some of our pacy players who have been intent on taking corners have been stopped to ensure we have them covering against the break aways have we enough in the midfield in open play to guard against those counter attacks, we saw Key was quite capable of covering his mistake to turn a counter attack from the opposition into an attack of our own from which we scored with his incisive runs drawing defenders to him.
We saw the trio of Fulton, Grimes and Korey Smith add a defensive robustness under Cooper to help Grimes but no cutting edge up front as Grimes still dropped deep too often.
Even with the likes of Ayew, Lowe , Piroe and Ntcham while endeavouring to keep us strong in defence we struggled to give a good supply of quality ball, we struggled to do both.
Not sure a better advanced midfielder will help if we keep being push back in a defensively weak midfield. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 11:52 - Nov 8 with 3571 views | Dr_Winston |
I would have great reluctance in trusting Grimes to be the primary creative option. We've seen too often over the past several years how that can gum us up completely when he goes into negative mode. That's not even taking the generally hopeless quality of his set pieces into account.
No. He and Franco have formed a capable central partnership. We need another Paterson. | |
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| January Transfer Window on 12:30 - Nov 8 with 3510 views | jack247 |
We need more than just an attacking midfielder. That gives us a good starting eleven and that’s being generous given our striking options.
What we need to become competitive, in terms of a sustained challenge to the top six, is very unlikely to come in one transfer window.
I’d honestly be happy now if we could tie the two at the back down.
If we replace Levein and Kaplan, don’t get relegated and extend those two contracts, it’s a good season in my opinion. | | | |
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| January Transfer Window on 12:31 - Nov 8 with 3515 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 11:52 - Nov 8 by Dr_Winston |
I would have great reluctance in trusting Grimes to be the primary creative option. We've seen too often over the past several years how that can gum us up completely when he goes into negative mode. That's not even taking the generally hopeless quality of his set pieces into account.
No. He and Franco have formed a capable central partnership. We need another Paterson. |
Can't disagree with most of it but even with Franco he has gone into defensive mode which in turns invites pressure on us. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 09:51 - Nov 10 with 3023 views | sons_of_omri |
| January Transfer Window on 12:31 - Nov 8 by RichardO |
Can't disagree with most of it but even with Franco he has gone into defensive mode which in turns invites pressure on us. |
He did the same when Downes was here. If Soton go down and we go up I’d love him playing alongside Franco | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 09:59 - Nov 10 with 2987 views | onehunglow |
| January Transfer Window on 09:51 - Nov 10 by sons_of_omri |
He did the same when Downes was here. If Soton go down and we go up I’d love him playing alongside Franco |
Soton will be down well before end of season.
Franco is the one true diamond we need to nurture
A real warrior | |
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| January Transfer Window on 10:55 - Nov 10 with 2926 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 09:51 - Nov 10 by sons_of_omri |
He did the same when Downes was here. If Soton go down and we go up I’d love him playing alongside Franco |
Downes was a very attack minded player when he came here always looking to use the space he found himself in the midfield to get forwards but as our wingbacks and our back three pushed gorward ever slowly gaps appeared to often for counter attacks, Downes was one of the few players who had the pace to do the covering job effectively, may not of had the experience of Grimes but was far more effective in that defensive role while also capable of pressing forward in the middle with his pace.
How often have we seen Grimes eventually getting back to given a two yard pass after the danger has been snuff out providing no benefit at all?
I would have Downes back in an instant to play along side Franco although I think in Key I think we aleady have a player who can fill that midfield defensive role but that would mean finding a right back as Naughton can't last a game, there is now Christie but he wouldn't be a long term solution.
Allen could be used in the midfield alongside Franco similar to Naughton is being used but understandably sparingly.
Excellent play Downes. [Post edited 10 Nov 10:58]
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| January Transfer Window on 12:03 - Nov 10 with 2874 views | max936 |
| January Transfer Window on 10:55 - Nov 10 by RichardO |
Downes was a very attack minded player when he came here always looking to use the space he found himself in the midfield to get forwards but as our wingbacks and our back three pushed gorward ever slowly gaps appeared to often for counter attacks, Downes was one of the few players who had the pace to do the covering job effectively, may not of had the experience of Grimes but was far more effective in that defensive role while also capable of pressing forward in the middle with his pace.
How often have we seen Grimes eventually getting back to given a two yard pass after the danger has been snuff out providing no benefit at all?
I would have Downes back in an instant to play along side Franco although I think in Key I think we aleady have a player who can fill that midfield defensive role but that would mean finding a right back as Naughton can't last a game, there is now Christie but he wouldn't be a long term solution.
Allen could be used in the midfield alongside Franco similar to Naughton is being used but understandably sparingly.
Excellent play Downes. [Post edited 10 Nov 10:58]
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Nice idea, but in all honesty I think Downes will have better offers and I think he's a bit short of being Prem Class. |  |
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| January Transfer Window on 12:29 - Nov 10 with 2833 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 12:03 - Nov 10 by max936 |
Nice idea, but in all honesty I think Downes will have better offers and I think he's a bit short of being Prem Class. |
We have players short of Premier class already it is all about the continued improvement of the squad a lot of inexperienced players at Championship now finding their feet, yes Downes will have better offers but if a team cones down they have to balance their books and trim their outgoings if the parachute payments don't get them back up.
As I said think we have a player defensive midfielder in Key then Eom, Ginnelly can be released to play the number ten with Ronald and Pearl-Harris out wide with the likes of Abdulai and Parker for full back and midfield as and when needed, we have injuries at the moment which is a worry there could be more options sooner than later🤞🏻 | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 12:36 - Nov 10 with 2819 views | max936 |
| January Transfer Window on 12:29 - Nov 10 by RichardO |
We have players short of Premier class already it is all about the continued improvement of the squad a lot of inexperienced players at Championship now finding their feet, yes Downes will have better offers but if a team cones down they have to balance their books and trim their outgoings if the parachute payments don't get them back up.
As I said think we have a player defensive midfielder in Key then Eom, Ginnelly can be released to play the number ten with Ronald and Pearl-Harris out wide with the likes of Abdulai and Parker for full back and midfield as and when needed, we have injuries at the moment which is a worry there could be more options sooner than later🤞🏻 |
Downes is good enough for us, but if we did have a miracle and go back up I'm not sure he's got it, I'm not sure we got anyone who is though, Darling, Franco if I was pushed on giving an opinion, but I'm not sure either has that quality. | |
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| January Transfer Window on 13:36 - Nov 10 with 2734 views | Whiterockin |
| January Transfer Window on 12:29 - Nov 10 by RichardO |
We have players short of Premier class already it is all about the continued improvement of the squad a lot of inexperienced players at Championship now finding their feet, yes Downes will have better offers but if a team cones down they have to balance their books and trim their outgoings if the parachute payments don't get them back up.
As I said think we have a player defensive midfielder in Key then Eom, Ginnelly can be released to play the number ten with Ronald and Pearl-Harris out wide with the likes of Abdulai and Parker for full back and midfield as and when needed, we have injuries at the moment which is a worry there could be more options sooner than later🤞🏻 |
Parker has broken down in training again. I do hope he is not one of those too fragile for professional football. |  | | |
| January Transfer Window on 15:03 - Nov 10 with 2680 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 12:36 - Nov 10 by max936 |
Downes is good enough for us, but if we did have a miracle and go back up I'm not sure he's got it, I'm not sure we got anyone who is though, Darling, Franco if I was pushed on giving an opinion, but I'm not sure either has that quality. |
There have been a number of players as the Swans climbed up the tables they learnt to play at the higher levels, some do some don't some times adding quality to a team improves others. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 15:05 - Nov 10 with 2678 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 13:36 - Nov 10 by Whiterockin |
Parker has broken down in training again. I do hope he is not one of those too fragile for professional football. |
Yea so has Ginnelly questions have been asked as to why? | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 16:06 - Nov 10 with 2621 views | sons_of_omri |
| January Transfer Window on 15:03 - Nov 10 by RichardO |
There have been a number of players as the Swans climbed up the tables they learnt to play at the higher levels, some do some don't some times adding quality to a team improves others. |
It’s all about the sum of the parts - Brendan proved that in our first season in the PL. I’d love Downes back, Connor , Piroe and maybe even Fabianski. We’d likely come down but hopefully utilise our PL money wisely to rebuild and go back up. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 20:22 - Nov 10 with 2500 views | RichardO |
| January Transfer Window on 16:06 - Nov 10 by sons_of_omri |
It’s all about the sum of the parts - Brendan proved that in our first season in the PL. I’d love Downes back, Connor , Piroe and maybe even Fabianski. We’d likely come down but hopefully utilise our PL money wisely to rebuild and go back up. |
Yo yo effect maybe be one way of building the team but you have to expect players moving on then. Great if those players were deemed surplus to requirements but quite happy with Vigo staying on the books a couple more years.
Even a couple of quality players who have let themselves down along the way and are now happy to be given a second chance. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 20:43 - Nov 10 with 2474 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Window on 16:06 - Nov 10 by sons_of_omri |
It’s all about the sum of the parts - Brendan proved that in our first season in the PL. I’d love Downes back, Connor , Piroe and maybe even Fabianski. We’d likely come down but hopefully utilise our PL money wisely to rebuild and go back up. |
We'll never get Downes back. He's basically the one player that Southampton fans all agree has made the step up to the Premier League. As for the others, I'd take Piroe obvs but not fussed on the rest of them.
You're right that it's about the sum of the parts, and it had been since we were in the bottom division. Today was an encouraging performance, the third in a row. Illustrated a few weaknesses still (I'm even more convinced that a good #10 would be our best January investment) but overall the team worked hard, won a lot of the second balls and made a good side work hard as hell for the win. | |
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| January Transfer Window on 21:22 - Nov 10 with 2438 views | sons_of_omri |
| January Transfer Window on 20:43 - Nov 10 by Dr_Winston |
We'll never get Downes back. He's basically the one player that Southampton fans all agree has made the step up to the Premier League. As for the others, I'd take Piroe obvs but not fussed on the rest of them.
You're right that it's about the sum of the parts, and it had been since we were in the bottom division. Today was an encouraging performance, the third in a row. Illustrated a few weaknesses still (I'm even more convinced that a good #10 would be our best January investment) but overall the team worked hard, won a lot of the second balls and made a good side work hard as hell for the win. |
Yes we didn’t get our just reward today - I didn’t see the handball real time so I can’t comment but the referee had a decent game apart from the possible sending off he missed. Must be the Scotty Parker magic - they certainly did nowhere near enough for the three points. I just hope they get mad and take it out on Leeds in a fortnight | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 21:29 - Nov 10 with 2421 views | Dr_Winston |
| January Transfer Window on 21:22 - Nov 10 by sons_of_omri |
Yes we didn’t get our just reward today - I didn’t see the handball real time so I can’t comment but the referee had a decent game apart from the possible sending off he missed. Must be the Scotty Parker magic - they certainly did nowhere near enough for the three points. I just hope they get mad and take it out on Leeds in a fortnight |
Upon seeing the reply I thought it was a Grimes handball. A soft one perhaps but if you're going to be sticking your arms in the air when the ball is floating about you're always taking that risk. Grimes should know better than that.
Not sure we did enough to win, but we were worth a point for definite. | |
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| January Transfer Window on 08:51 - Nov 11 with 2238 views | jack247 |
That’s not a disaster at the end of the day. A bit galling to lose to a soft penalty (which could have gone either way but we certainly can’t argue with), but we’ve gone to a relegated PL club and given them a good game.
We’d have been swatted aside up there under Martin or Duff.
They were better than us, but we all knew they would be. We restricted them to mainly long range shooting and they didn’t really look like breaking us down.
Yes we did settle for a point towards the end and got caught out. A point would have been a fantastic result. | | | |
| January Transfer Window on 15:05 - Nov 11 with 2068 views | sw02sea |
| January Transfer Window on 08:51 - Nov 11 by jack247 |
That’s not a disaster at the end of the day. A bit galling to lose to a soft penalty (which could have gone either way but we certainly can’t argue with), but we’ve gone to a relegated PL club and given them a good game.
We’d have been swatted aside up there under Martin or Duff.
They were better than us, but we all knew they would be. We restricted them to mainly long range shooting and they didn’t really look like breaking us down.
Yes we did settle for a point towards the end and got caught out. A point would have been a fantastic result. |
I haven’t seen a decent side that would grace the Premiership yet, and basically we’ve got about half a side at the moment. With a couple of players hopefully coming back, plus some good business by our “New” owners in January, i can’t see why we can’t progress up the table with the amount of games still awaiting us. | | | |
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