| Starmer! Wow! on 11:52 - Nov 6 with 1043 views | Gwyn737 |
| Starmer! Wow! on 07:46 - Nov 6 by Boundy |
If you could , please could you explain why these rises will n oy affect the students , my understanding is that the fees are loans which have to be paid back. |
Because they won't increase monthly payments and in the current system it's unlikey that the loans will be paid back anyway.
The system is not fit for purpose and needs a toatal re think as per my point about degree protectionism. [Post edited 6 Nov 12:30]
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| Starmer! Wow! on 14:14 - Nov 6 with 973 views | controversial_jack |
| Starmer! Wow! on 10:45 - Nov 6 by Scotia |
Yes the taxpayer should fund them. The taxpayer needs them. Are there any Dr's who can't find a job? Or Dentists? Or Physiotherapists? Etc, etc.
They deserve to earn more money than anyone else. |
They will earn more, which is the point. They will earn more than me because i will have funded them in the first place, so they can charge me a fortune when i want physio or dentistry | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 14:23 - Nov 6 with 962 views | Scotia |
| Starmer! Wow! on 14:14 - Nov 6 by controversial_jack |
They will earn more, which is the point. They will earn more than me because i will have funded them in the first place, so they can charge me a fortune when i want physio or dentistry |
They'll earn more than you because they're doing a more difficult job than you're either capable of or want to do.
Most will do private work on the side becasue they can or NHS contracts are appalling, you only need to pay for a private physio or dentist becasue there aren't enough in the NHS. It comes back to the point of public sector pay increases and austerity to a certain extent..
Pay for them to train on the proviso of a long term, golden handcuff NHS contract. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 21:48 - Nov 6 with 885 views | Boundy |
| Starmer! Wow! on 11:52 - Nov 6 by Gwyn737 |
Because they won't increase monthly payments and in the current system it's unlikey that the loans will be paid back anyway.
The system is not fit for purpose and needs a toatal re think as per my point about degree protectionism. [Post edited 6 Nov 12:30]
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| Starmer! Wow! on 13:32 - Nov 8 with 782 views | controversial_jack |
| Starmer! Wow! on 14:23 - Nov 6 by Scotia |
They'll earn more than you because they're doing a more difficult job than you're either capable of or want to do.
Most will do private work on the side becasue they can or NHS contracts are appalling, you only need to pay for a private physio or dentist becasue there aren't enough in the NHS. It comes back to the point of public sector pay increases and austerity to a certain extent..
Pay for them to train on the proviso of a long term, golden handcuff NHS contract. |
It's their choice to train for those jobs it wasn't mine. I still had to pay for them though. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 14:32 - Nov 8 with 753 views | Scotia |
| Starmer! Wow! on 13:32 - Nov 8 by controversial_jack |
It's their choice to train for those jobs it wasn't mine. I still had to pay for them though. |
Why should they go in to debt to keep you alive? | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 16:59 - Nov 8 with 698 views | controversial_jack |
| Starmer! Wow! on 14:32 - Nov 8 by Scotia |
Why should they go in to debt to keep you alive? |
It's their job, it's what i pay then to do, before and after training. Just like the police, military or any public servants. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 17:07 - Nov 8 with 696 views | Boundy |
| Starmer! Wow! on 16:59 - Nov 8 by controversial_jack |
It's their job, it's what i pay then to do, before and after training. Just like the police, military or any public servants. |
So what are you moaning about , you paid for their training so they could and can continue to provide health care for you and your family. | |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 17:47 - Nov 8 with 670 views | Scotia |
| Starmer! Wow! on 16:59 - Nov 8 by controversial_jack |
It's their job, it's what i pay then to do, before and after training. Just like the police, military or any public servants. |
Most people could do other public servant jobs on the whole, at least at a junior level.
Very few people have the ability or desire to be a Medic. Especially when it comes to paying back 10's of thousands pounds of debt on a junior Dr's salary. You pay them to work they pay for themselves to be able to work and there aren't enough of them.
Pay for them through uni and contract them to the NHS. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 20:48 - Nov 8 with 652 views | Whiterockin |
| Starmer! Wow! on 17:47 - Nov 8 by Scotia |
Most people could do other public servant jobs on the whole, at least at a junior level.
Very few people have the ability or desire to be a Medic. Especially when it comes to paying back 10's of thousands pounds of debt on a junior Dr's salary. You pay them to work they pay for themselves to be able to work and there aren't enough of them.
Pay for them through uni and contract them to the NHS. |
All people training for the NHS should be paid a bursary to cover training and expenses then be tied in for 5 years minimum. |  | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 21:42 - Nov 8 with 624 views | Scotia |
| Starmer! Wow! on 20:48 - Nov 8 by Whiterockin |
All people training for the NHS should be paid a bursary to cover training and expenses then be tied in for 5 years minimum. |
I agree.
Medics aren't going to work anywhere other than the NHS for years, they shouldn't be going in to debt to do that | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:06 - Nov 8 with 608 views | Dr_Winston |
| Starmer! Wow! on 08:22 - Nov 6 by Scotia |
Medical degrees of all sorts shouldn't result in debt to the student.
The problem with encouraging apprenticeships is that universities have grown to become the biggest employer in most cities, even though I agree with the principle. I dread to think the state Swansea would be in if it wasn't for the two uni's. |
I have long said that the Govt should be offering completely free (salaried, accommodation paid for etc) degrees for medical personnel such as Doctors and Dentists in return for a significant commitment to NHS service.
20-25 years of doing only NHS work still gives them a good 10-15 years to fill their boots with private work afterwards. We also need to wean ourselves off the idea that other medical professions such as Nursing, Physiotherapy etc also require a degree. |  |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 22:10 - Nov 8 with 605 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:06 - Nov 8 by Dr_Winston |
I have long said that the Govt should be offering completely free (salaried, accommodation paid for etc) degrees for medical personnel such as Doctors and Dentists in return for a significant commitment to NHS service.
20-25 years of doing only NHS work still gives them a good 10-15 years to fill their boots with private work afterwards. We also need to wean ourselves off the idea that other medical professions such as Nursing, Physiotherapy etc also require a degree. |
I tend to agree, but the BMA tends to hold the power in these matters |  |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 22:11 - Nov 8 with 603 views | Dr_Winston |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:10 - Nov 8 by JACKMANANDBOY |
I tend to agree, but the BMA tends to hold the power in these matters |
The Government should hold the power. They're the ones who pay the bills. | |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 22:24 - Nov 8 with 590 views | Scotia |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:06 - Nov 8 by Dr_Winston |
I have long said that the Govt should be offering completely free (salaried, accommodation paid for etc) degrees for medical personnel such as Doctors and Dentists in return for a significant commitment to NHS service.
20-25 years of doing only NHS work still gives them a good 10-15 years to fill their boots with private work afterwards. We also need to wean ourselves off the idea that other medical professions such as Nursing, Physiotherapy etc also require a degree. |
I've never understood why nurses have to go through a degree course. It's almost the ultimate vocational job, but much more technical than a few years ago. It still seems to be a bit pointless. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:28 - Nov 8 with 584 views | Dr_Winston |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:24 - Nov 8 by Scotia |
I've never understood why nurses have to go through a degree course. It's almost the ultimate vocational job, but much more technical than a few years ago. It still seems to be a bit pointless. |
Policing is going the same way.
There is absolutely no need for any Copper to have a degree. | |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 22:34 - Nov 8 with 581 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:06 - Nov 8 by Dr_Winston |
I have long said that the Govt should be offering completely free (salaried, accommodation paid for etc) degrees for medical personnel such as Doctors and Dentists in return for a significant commitment to NHS service.
20-25 years of doing only NHS work still gives them a good 10-15 years to fill their boots with private work afterwards. We also need to wean ourselves off the idea that other medical professions such as Nursing, Physiotherapy etc also require a degree. |
My sister had been a nurse for over 20 years beofre she specialised, she was then an oncology nurse but to get a pronotion she had to go back to college to get a degree where other people of that grade were already in post without degrees.
The NHS survuved and thrived for decades on the back of experience being promoted and used to train the next wave. Now they put university graduates straight into senior jobs with no experience and look at the mess. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:41 - Nov 8 with 574 views | Dr_Winston |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:34 - Nov 8 by SullutaCreturned |
My sister had been a nurse for over 20 years beofre she specialised, she was then an oncology nurse but to get a pronotion she had to go back to college to get a degree where other people of that grade were already in post without degrees.
The NHS survuved and thrived for decades on the back of experience being promoted and used to train the next wave. Now they put university graduates straight into senior jobs with no experience and look at the mess. |
Like an awful lot of things wrong with Society today, the roots lie with Blair and New Labour.
The insane drive to have 50% of school/college leavers go to University has royally screwed up the Labour market, left millions of people paying off utterly pointless student loans. and left us with a serious shortage of skilled workers.
There are plenty of people out there with pointless degrees who would be much better off if they'd learned a trade instead. | |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 09:24 - Nov 9 with 513 views | controversial_jack |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:24 - Nov 8 by Scotia |
I've never understood why nurses have to go through a degree course. It's almost the ultimate vocational job, but much more technical than a few years ago. It still seems to be a bit pointless. |
There are good nurses and there are bad ones. There are hard workers and there are lazy ones. It's like any job. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 10:41 - Nov 13 with 354 views | controversial_jack |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:24 - Nov 8 by Scotia |
I've never understood why nurses have to go through a degree course. It's almost the ultimate vocational job, but much more technical than a few years ago. It still seems to be a bit pointless. |
It's more technical now, yes, but it's the care workers that actually give the hands on patient care. It's still the docs who make the diagnosis, set the care plans and decide on the drugs to use etc
Nursing is vocational for some, but not others. For some it's just a career path | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 13:12 - Nov 13 with 305 views | Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
See the petulant response Starmer gave to a question on this at PMQ’s? He’s got a nasty little temper that man. |  |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 14:26 - Nov 13 with 284 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Starmer! Wow! on 13:12 - Nov 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
See the petulant response Starmer gave to a question on this at PMQ’s? He’s got a nasty little temper that man. |
I'd say his ego is the thing that people will latch on to over time, question his competence or make him look a fool. | |
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| Starmer! Wow! on 14:46 - Nov 13 with 265 views | Whiterockin |
| Starmer! Wow! on 13:12 - Nov 13 by Joesus_Of_Narbereth |
See the petulant response Starmer gave to a question on this at PMQ’s? He’s got a nasty little temper that man. |
Very reminiscent of Mr Drakeford when he was under pressure. Some can handle it some can't. | | | |
| Starmer! Wow! on 15:12 - Nov 13 with 242 views | onehunglow |
| Starmer! Wow! on 22:28 - Nov 8 by Dr_Winston |
Policing is going the same way.
There is absolutely no need for any Copper to have a degree. |
There really isn’t
However,this is not a new thing
The accelerated promotion scheme has been in effect for a long time.
Pass Sgts exam then Inspectirs made up to the rank then after four yrs , you’re a full rank Inspector.
They used to be posted to one of my stations as it was a tinder box . Stay out of strife for two yrs then next rank calls.
The days of thief taking coppers is well gone ,as are beat bobbies and many Traffic officers .
Do Abbott actually wants Dog Sections disbanded
It’s a mad world | |
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