| General Election 22:11 - Jun 12 with 5787 views | SaintNick |
I havent got a clue about what each party is going to do if elected, but I know a lot about how bad each one of them is, they are all more concerned with slagging each other off than actually getting the country on track |  |
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| General Election on 18:28 - Jun 13 with 1313 views | saint901 |
I'm not trying to defend what people do in the name of religion.
Pretty much all religions have been through phases where killing and maiming has been seen as acceptable - it's not. It never was.
We also know that Islam, like other religions, has its cadre of zealots and radicals who choose to believe that what they do is justified. It's not and never was.
Most of those who follow a religion do so for their own reasons. Family expectations, faith, comfort, etc. They are not the ones burning witches, getting confessions under torture, killing the heretics.
To therefore benchmark ALL adherents to a religion or faith system by their radical and often insane elements makes no sense.
In my opinion, Reform wants people to do that. They want people to believe that being British is white, working class people oppressed by minority voices and who have a need to "strike back". It's political jingoism.
If that's your bag - fine. It's not mine. |  | | |
| General Election on 18:35 - Jun 13 with 1309 views | Bazza |
| General Election on 18:28 - Jun 13 by saint901 |
I'm not trying to defend what people do in the name of religion.
Pretty much all religions have been through phases where killing and maiming has been seen as acceptable - it's not. It never was.
We also know that Islam, like other religions, has its cadre of zealots and radicals who choose to believe that what they do is justified. It's not and never was.
Most of those who follow a religion do so for their own reasons. Family expectations, faith, comfort, etc. They are not the ones burning witches, getting confessions under torture, killing the heretics.
To therefore benchmark ALL adherents to a religion or faith system by their radical and often insane elements makes no sense.
In my opinion, Reform wants people to do that. They want people to believe that being British is white, working class people oppressed by minority voices and who have a need to "strike back". It's political jingoism.
If that's your bag - fine. It's not mine. |
Where do get this nonsense from? | | | |
| General Election on 19:04 - Jun 13 with 1283 views | Ron11 |
| General Election on 12:44 - Jun 13 by saint22 |
That’s ludicrous
Voting for a racist bigot who already caused damage to this country
Labour are a poor opposition but they can do no worse than the self serving Tories who have royally screwed our country the last ten years
Unless you happen to be a multi millionaire friend of theirs that is
Remember Rishi is another man of the people like Bojo and that coont Cameron before him |
The damage to this country started in 1997 when the devious ba`stard that is Tony Blair entered number 10 | | | |
| General Election on 20:07 - Jun 13 with 1251 views | SalisburySaint |
| General Election on 19:04 - Jun 13 by Ron11 |
The damage to this country started in 1997 when the devious ba`stard that is Tony Blair entered number 10 |
Ha ha , was he responsible for selling off all the public utilities such as electric, gas, water etc that we now pay through the roof for ? |  | | |
| General Election on 20:46 - Jun 13 with 1219 views | cocklebreath |
| General Election on 19:04 - Jun 13 by Ron11 |
The damage to this country started in 1997 when the devious ba`stard that is Tony Blair entered number 10 |
Of course and the Tory’s have spent the last 14 years selflessly trying to repair the damage, they deffo haven’t acted like utter c£nts from the fat lying Boris who laughs at the common people who voted for him and his pathetic brexit to the thick as pig sh1t Liz who tried her best to f£ck the economy. |  |
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| General Election on 21:03 - Jun 13 with 1209 views | PaleRider |
The way I look at it is:
1) You can judge the Tories on their actual performance. Do you think they have done a good job? Are you confident that they can do a good job going forward? By good job, you can assess this for you and your family and/or the country as a whole. Has the last 14 years worked for you? Has it worked for the UK as a whole?
2) If no, do you believe that Labour would do a BETTER job? It's difficult to judge so this is about gut feel and reflecting on 1997 - 2010 performance;
3) If you're still not happy then does one of the other parties chime with your values, personal aims and aims for the country as a whole?
For me, the answers to the first 2 questions are, for the country as a whole, NO. The UK is broken in so many different areas and I have no faith that either main party to put it right.
So I'm left with the Lib Dems , Greens, Reform or spoiling my ballot. At present I have no idea which way to go but I hope that I can vote for a party that at least I can feel comfortable with. It may boil down to which party can deliver a positive campaign, which party could deliver electoral reform, which is long overdue, and whether I feel that I can trust any of the lying b*stards! If not, then I'll spoil my ballot - I certainly won't vote for any particular party just as a protest. | | | |
| General Election on 21:17 - Jun 13 with 1197 views | Jellybaby |
In our 2 party so called democratic system, this general election is not a contest, but a passing of the baton from the blue team to the red team. Rishi could not have made this any clearer without actually saying it. | |
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| General Election on 09:23 - Jun 14 with 1112 views | kentsouthampton |
Only 20 more sleeps until the Tories get wiped out, happy days. |  | | |
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| General Election on 09:28 - Jun 14 with 1108 views | kentsouthampton |
| General Election on 19:04 - Jun 13 by Ron11 |
The damage to this country started in 1997 when the devious ba`stard that is Tony Blair entered number 10 |
Are you a special needs person? | | | |
| General Election on 10:18 - Jun 14 with 1079 views | saint901 |
We now have the manifesto of Labour and they are making a virtue of the fact that it's frankly quite boring.
We also have the manifestos of most of the other parties.
In my opinion, none of them are being honest with us about the state of the finances.
In short the country is broke. We have borrowed billions to provide support during Covid and the "energy crisis" and it will require a generation of strong growth to pay that back, even if the politicians wanted to. And growth has been slow or at NIL.
The Tories - whilst crowing about tax cuts - have actually increased taxes by freezing personal allowances and rate band limits. More people now pay tax and tax at the higher rate, than ever before. Despite reductions in NIC, the present effective tax rate is the highest it's been in the UK since the end of the Second War.
And it's going higher if the terms of the Tory and Labour and all other parties manifestos' are to be believed.
The national debt (£2.6 trillion - £2,600,000,000,000) and the already high tax burden mean that there is very little (arguably no) room to give away tax breaks.
For me therefore, promises on tax and spending from all the parties are meaningless as none of them have any realistic plans given the lack of money.
The attention therefore shifts to other policies and whether any of them can stimulate some economic growth.
The Tories seem bereft of ideas. Labour promise a magic growth engine but can't say how it works. Reform says that immigration (a key driver of economic growth in the UK) is too high and needs to be cut, indicating that any plans to grow the economy are likely to be pie in the sky.
(It seems to be a sad fact of British life that many people would prefer to sit at home on benefits (with or without Sky) than go and do some of the jobs done by seasonal or more permanent "foreign" workers. Reform thinks that if there are fewer foreign workers, then the sofa loving Brits will step up. Yeah, right).
If the economy is a blind alley in terms of who might manage it better, then do I look to a truly awful tory management of the UK in the last 14 years and trust that Rishi (or the new PM a few months after the election) can fix it (whilst keeping the far right of his party at bay) or the untried Starmer?
Tricky. | | | |
| General Election on 19:17 - Jun 14 with 1011 views | Chesham_Saint |
| General Election on 10:18 - Jun 14 by saint901 |
We now have the manifesto of Labour and they are making a virtue of the fact that it's frankly quite boring.
We also have the manifestos of most of the other parties.
In my opinion, none of them are being honest with us about the state of the finances.
In short the country is broke. We have borrowed billions to provide support during Covid and the "energy crisis" and it will require a generation of strong growth to pay that back, even if the politicians wanted to. And growth has been slow or at NIL.
The Tories - whilst crowing about tax cuts - have actually increased taxes by freezing personal allowances and rate band limits. More people now pay tax and tax at the higher rate, than ever before. Despite reductions in NIC, the present effective tax rate is the highest it's been in the UK since the end of the Second War.
And it's going higher if the terms of the Tory and Labour and all other parties manifestos' are to be believed.
The national debt (£2.6 trillion - £2,600,000,000,000) and the already high tax burden mean that there is very little (arguably no) room to give away tax breaks.
For me therefore, promises on tax and spending from all the parties are meaningless as none of them have any realistic plans given the lack of money.
The attention therefore shifts to other policies and whether any of them can stimulate some economic growth.
The Tories seem bereft of ideas. Labour promise a magic growth engine but can't say how it works. Reform says that immigration (a key driver of economic growth in the UK) is too high and needs to be cut, indicating that any plans to grow the economy are likely to be pie in the sky.
(It seems to be a sad fact of British life that many people would prefer to sit at home on benefits (with or without Sky) than go and do some of the jobs done by seasonal or more permanent "foreign" workers. Reform thinks that if there are fewer foreign workers, then the sofa loving Brits will step up. Yeah, right).
If the economy is a blind alley in terms of who might manage it better, then do I look to a truly awful tory management of the UK in the last 14 years and trust that Rishi (or the new PM a few months after the election) can fix it (whilst keeping the far right of his party at bay) or the untried Starmer?
Tricky. |
I'm sorry, I couldn't read all of that, but the "awful 14 years" is unreasonable - no one could have coped with the cataclysms of Covid and Ukraine and I wouldn't hold that against whoever had been in power.
I just hope the next 5 years don't have a repeat of that kind of hellish shit for whoever might be at the helm. |  |
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| General Election on 08:55 - Jun 15 with 957 views | cocklebreath |
| General Election on 19:17 - Jun 14 by Chesham_Saint |
I'm sorry, I couldn't read all of that, but the "awful 14 years" is unreasonable - no one could have coped with the cataclysms of Covid and Ukraine and I wouldn't hold that against whoever had been in power.
I just hope the next 5 years don't have a repeat of that kind of hellish shit for whoever might be at the helm. |
Don’t forget brexit but that was their fault | |
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| General Election on 13:39 - Jun 15 with 907 views | solent_toffee |
| General Election on 08:55 - Jun 15 by cocklebreath |
Don’t forget brexit but that was their fault |
And to be fair, a lot of the ministers and their families and mates made an absolute fortune from Covid. Not forgetting their coontish behaviour with the parties etc. | | | |
| General Election on 13:52 - Jun 15 with 903 views | DorsetIan |
Country needs a reboot.
Farage/reform are old news and have basically one policy - stop immigration.
The conservative have splashed a 90 seat majority up the wall, and in the process have pretty much destroyed themselves with infighting and a general lack of seriousness in their choice of leaders and ministers, and have taken the rest of us down with them. They're clowns, | |
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| General Election on 13:56 - Jun 15 with 900 views | DorsetIan |
Country needs a reboot.
Farage/reform are old news and have basically one policy - stop immigration.
The conservative have splashed a 90 seat majority up the wall, and in the process have pretty much destroyed themselves with infighting and a general lack of seriousness in their choice of leaders and ministers, and have taken the rest of us down with them. They're clowns, | |
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| General Election on 14:59 - Jun 15 with 872 views | Scoot |
FOOTBALL ONLY BOARD, YOU BORING TW@ | |
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| General Election on 10:27 - Jun 16 with 764 views | Jellybaby |
| General Election on 13:52 - Jun 15 by DorsetIan |
Country needs a reboot.
Farage/reform are old news and have basically one policy - stop immigration.
The conservative have splashed a 90 seat majority up the wall, and in the process have pretty much destroyed themselves with infighting and a general lack of seriousness in their choice of leaders and ministers, and have taken the rest of us down with them. They're clowns, |
A reboot in a WEF Great Reset one world government kind of way or a reboot in a choosing of the options not given to us by the regime leading to a quiet revolution?
If your “reboot” is choosing red team over blue team then you are merely just re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic aren’t you? | |
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| General Election on 12:08 - Jun 16 with 737 views | Bazza |
Farage has clearly stated control immigration, not stop it. He’s a marmite person so I get it that some hate him but would everyone here stop misquoting him it’s tedious. Ditto folks saying that Sunak is off to the US, he’s denied this several times.
Of course quoting Starmer is tricky because he keeps changing. | | | |
| General Election on 12:14 - Jun 16 with 733 views | dirk_doone |
| General Election on 12:08 - Jun 16 by Bazza |
Farage has clearly stated control immigration, not stop it. He’s a marmite person so I get it that some hate him but would everyone here stop misquoting him it’s tedious. Ditto folks saying that Sunak is off to the US, he’s denied this several times.
Of course quoting Starmer is tricky because he keeps changing. |
Farage is one of the main people responsible for the major cause of the massive increase in illegal immigration - Brexit. |  |
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| General Election on 15:50 - Jun 16 with 695 views | Bazza |
| General Election on 12:14 - Jun 16 by dirk_doone |
Farage is one of the main people responsible for the major cause of the massive increase in illegal immigration - Brexit. |
Well that’s a new angle on Farage- don’t you realise the whole of Europe is struggling with immigration issues. The difference if staying in the EU would be unelected EU commissioners dictating to us. The | | | |
| General Election on 18:17 - Jun 16 with 661 views | grumpy |
| General Election on 15:50 - Jun 16 by Bazza |
Well that’s a new angle on Farage- don’t you realise the whole of Europe is struggling with immigration issues. The difference if staying in the EU would be unelected EU commissioners dictating to us. The |
Did we not have any EU representatives when we were in the EU? |  | | |
| General Election on 19:20 - Jun 16 with 643 views | Bazza |
| General Election on 18:17 - Jun 16 by grumpy |
Did we not have any EU representatives when we were in the EU? |
Of course but as you know the Uk were frequently out voted by the Franco- German alliances | | | |
| General Election on 12:36 - Jun 17 with 564 views | saint901 |
Being in the EU was akin to the conditions that caused the USA to declare independence, i.e. no taxation without representation.
Partly due to the way the EU was set up and partly because the Tory PM was always trying to follow a fine line between the good of the UK and the wishes of the right wing of the party, we could never make it work "for" us. Cameron said he could fix it, tried, failed, called a referendum, lost it, had a hissy fit and left, Boris made an agreement that a five year old would not have signed.
Regardless, we're out - both parties have said we're not going back - and have to make it work. | | | |
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