| The 20MPH punishments 08:34 - Aug 3 with 148083 views | SullutaCreturned |
Well the punishment for breaking the limit,
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/police-confirm-how-punish-drivers-
Given how many idiots are on the roads, the delivery drivers under pressure and the actual difficutly in staying below 20 (it is difficult, I do it every week when I go to Cardiff and it's harder than you'd think, specially going downhill) there will be a lot of speeding going on.
The Senedd expect the fire brigade to become a road safety unit, how stupid is that? The fire brigade have their job and it's hard enough for them to do that the way the Senedd behaves.
Then there's the pollution problem, all those cars tootling around in second gear will fill the streets with pollution, it'll rise and rise and the few accidents stopped by this madness will be replaced tenfold and more in the years to come by serious health issues, those with asthma can look out, better buy your respirators now.
I wonder if cancers will also increase?
By the time we have all gone electric, assuming we all do, thousands of lives will be blighted by illness. |  | | |  |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:08 - Apr 2 with 1450 views | Flashberryjack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 18:16 - Apr 2 by SullutaCreturned |
There were 2 sets, one when you came off at Ynysforgan and the second lot after the Mond roundabout. They cut down one of each because they are useless by themselves.
Most peope still do 40 but if you come on there from Glais or Trebanos you can do what speed you like.
Totally agreed with putting cameras there after people died but they could have left the speed at 50. |
Better if they'd given the idiots that killed that innocent young woman a jail sentence worthy of their crime, but they didn't, they gave the punishment to careful motorist. |  |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:11 - Apr 11 with 1216 views | SullutaCreturned |
It's all about "reallocating" space that drivers use, making it pedestrains and cyclists only so they force us out of our cars.
It's hardly a democracy when non elected people can have so much influence and they persuade politicans to dictate what happens even if it's against what the electorate want. They do it in the name of safety but often on roads where few accidents happen and in the meanwhile people still die because of dangerous drivers, usually on fats roads and country lanes.
The line "understand how and why people walk in the ton centre" made me laugh, we know both things, you don't need an AI camera to tell you that. The more complicated they can make it sound though, the better for them to tell the dissenters that they don't understand. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:21 - Apr 11 with 1189 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 19:08 - Apr 2 by Flashberryjack |
Better if they'd given the idiots that killed that innocent young woman a jail sentence worthy of their crime, but they didn't, they gave the punishment to careful motorist. |
Killing by car should be manslaughter .
It’s often sheer negligence on the behalf of drivers | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 14:38 - Apr 11 with 1168 views | Flashberryjack |
Questions should be asked about where Sustrans get their money from, and how much influence they have on decisions being made by the clowns in the Senedd.
I do know that Lee Waters (Deputy Minister for Climate Change) was a director of Sustrans, they've also been caught out using Sustran managers on advertising campaigns for 20mph, whilst passing them off as members of the general public.
The senedd is just as useless and corrupt as Westminster. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:16 - Apr 11 with 1133 views | felixstowe_jack |
| The 20MPH punishments on 14:21 - Apr 11 by onehunglow |
Killing by car should be manslaughter .
It’s often sheer negligence on the behalf of drivers |
Often sheer negligence of pedestrians who step into roads with out looking, on their mobiles and ear buds in playing music so they can't hear traffic. What do we charge them with? | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:31 - Apr 11 with 1125 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 10:11 - Apr 11 by SullutaCreturned |
It's all about "reallocating" space that drivers use, making it pedestrains and cyclists only so they force us out of our cars.
It's hardly a democracy when non elected people can have so much influence and they persuade politicans to dictate what happens even if it's against what the electorate want. They do it in the name of safety but often on roads where few accidents happen and in the meanwhile people still die because of dangerous drivers, usually on fats roads and country lanes.
The line "understand how and why people walk in the ton centre" made me laugh, we know both things, you don't need an AI camera to tell you that. The more complicated they can make it sound though, the better for them to tell the dissenters that they don't understand. |
Of course. It is not and never has been about safety. That's just the lie that they tell to convince the gullible that it's all being done for our own benefit, or for the poor children.
It's actually about forcing the proles out of their cars and onto public transport. Public transport that doesn't actually exist for the most part. Weirdos who like pushbikes can't just happily get on with their own hobby. They have to bother other people with it too. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 17:38 - Apr 11 with 1125 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:31 - Apr 11 by Dr_Winston |
Of course. It is not and never has been about safety. That's just the lie that they tell to convince the gullible that it's all being done for our own benefit, or for the poor children.
It's actually about forcing the proles out of their cars and onto public transport. Public transport that doesn't actually exist for the most part. Weirdos who like pushbikes can't just happily get on with their own hobby. They have to bother other people with it too. |
Weirdos then. People who cycle
Just wow.
Get them all into cars then !
Innit | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:31 - Apr 11 with 1082 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:38 - Apr 11 by onehunglow |
Weirdos then. People who cycle
Just wow.
Get them all into cars then !
Innit |
It's not healthy when nutters on bikes have excessive influence in deciding transport policy. It's quite obvious that the lunatics in Sustrans bear significant responsibility for this 20mph debacle. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 21:40 - Apr 11 with 1061 views | Boundy |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:38 - Apr 11 by onehunglow |
Weirdos then. People who cycle
Just wow.
Get them all into cars then !
Innit |
You appear to have sided with the stop driving cartel who even though an extreme minority now sit in judgement on the majority, that's not how a democracy should work , what's next I wonder , stop wild swimming because kids die in water filled quarries or at sea . This isn't just about slowing down traffic but the erosion of our liberties by stealth by a Welsh labour party which god help us will be in power for the next 5 years. Unless of course the sheep see the light and fight back. | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 23:18 - Apr 11 with 1029 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 17:16 - Apr 11 by felixstowe_jack |
Often sheer negligence of pedestrians who step into roads with out looking, on their mobiles and ear buds in playing music so they can't hear traffic. What do we charge them with? |
Being found dead at the scene perhaps? |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 06:15 - Apr 12 with 994 views | Whiterockin |
| The 20MPH punishments on 23:18 - Apr 11 by lifelong |
Being found dead at the scene perhaps? |
That's not a good post. |  | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:26 - Apr 12 with 965 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 06:15 - Apr 12 by Whiterockin |
That's not a good post. |
Maybe it’s not, but a few posters seem keen to blame pedestrians, especially children, who step out into the roadway as being the main cause of them being killed or seriously injured. When, in fact, if the driver was doing 20mph they would have a much better chance of preventing that happening.
Just look at the long term studies in places like Hull and Edinburgh to see how reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph significantly reduced injuries and deaths in pedestrians, especially children. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:46 - Apr 12 with 952 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:26 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
Maybe it’s not, but a few posters seem keen to blame pedestrians, especially children, who step out into the roadway as being the main cause of them being killed or seriously injured. When, in fact, if the driver was doing 20mph they would have a much better chance of preventing that happening.
Just look at the long term studies in places like Hull and Edinburgh to see how reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph significantly reduced injuries and deaths in pedestrians, especially children. |
So if a pedestrian steps out into the road without looking or listening, it's still the drivers fault? | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 07:58 - Apr 12 with 922 views | Scotia |
Beacause their Ex CEO was a Drakeford stalwart in the Senedd, supports the universal 20 mph speed limit and opposes the M4 relief road. Lee Waters.
The ultimate problem was Drakeford's Labour, hopefully Gething will bring about a bit of change. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:04 - Apr 12 with 910 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:26 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
Maybe it’s not, but a few posters seem keen to blame pedestrians, especially children, who step out into the roadway as being the main cause of them being killed or seriously injured. When, in fact, if the driver was doing 20mph they would have a much better chance of preventing that happening.
Just look at the long term studies in places like Hull and Edinburgh to see how reducing the speed limit from 30mph to 20mph significantly reduced injuries and deaths in pedestrians, especially children. |
Peope driving safely and responsibly would save lives, even at 30 because taking conditins into account and slowing down in bad weather would also save lives.
I'll keep saying it, reducing a speed limit will save a few lives because most of us obey. the idits who speed, drink and drug drive etc, theyll keep killing people. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:08 - Apr 12 with 905 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 07:46 - Apr 12 by Dr_Winston |
So if a pedestrian steps out into the road without looking or listening, it's still the drivers fault? |
I’m not disputing whose fault it is, pedestrians, especially children will step out or run out into the roadway. What is being shown in those studies is the driver has a much better chance of avoiding the pedestrian from being seriously injured if doing 20mph rather than 30mph.
It’s easy enough to say the stupid kid shouldn’t have run out in the first place but, sometimes, that’s what children do. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:23 - Apr 12 with 897 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:08 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
I’m not disputing whose fault it is, pedestrians, especially children will step out or run out into the roadway. What is being shown in those studies is the driver has a much better chance of avoiding the pedestrian from being seriously injured if doing 20mph rather than 30mph.
It’s easy enough to say the stupid kid shouldn’t have run out in the first place but, sometimes, that’s what children do. |
"a few posters seem keen to blame pedestrians, especially children, who step out into the roadway as being the main cause of them being killed or seriously injured. When, in fact, if the driver was doing 20mph they would have a much better chance of preventing that happening"
Disputing who's fault it is is exactly what you're doing. Pedestrians have a much better chance of living no matter how fast a car is going if they cross the road safely as all toddlers are, or should be, taught to do. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 08:27 - Apr 12 with 891 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:08 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
I’m not disputing whose fault it is, pedestrians, especially children will step out or run out into the roadway. What is being shown in those studies is the driver has a much better chance of avoiding the pedestrian from being seriously injured if doing 20mph rather than 30mph.
It’s easy enough to say the stupid kid shouldn’t have run out in the first place but, sometimes, that’s what children do. |
Pedestrians and even other drivers would have much better chances if the stupid, dangerous drivers were clamped down on.
A stupid pedestrian wont be killed by a safe driver, mostly. No, mostly they'll be killed by a stupid driver who is driving under the influence of something or just speeding because its fun, they're in a rush and that justifies it or just because they think they're special and can do what the feck they please.
More speed cameras, more police on the roads and streets and stronger punishments for offenders could save more lives than this measure that punishes the innocent alongside the guilty. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:44 - Apr 12 with 883 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:23 - Apr 12 by Dr_Winston |
"a few posters seem keen to blame pedestrians, especially children, who step out into the roadway as being the main cause of them being killed or seriously injured. When, in fact, if the driver was doing 20mph they would have a much better chance of preventing that happening"
Disputing who's fault it is is exactly what you're doing. Pedestrians have a much better chance of living no matter how fast a car is going if they cross the road safely as all toddlers are, or should be, taught to do. |
No, what I am disputing is that the pedestrian has a better chance of avoiding serious injury if the driver has a better chance of stopping.’No matter how fast a car is going’ let’s not bother having speed limits then and if a pedestrian gets run over at 40mph it’s their fault for being in the road. | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:13 - Apr 12 with 867 views | SullutaCreturned |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:44 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
No, what I am disputing is that the pedestrian has a better chance of avoiding serious injury if the driver has a better chance of stopping.’No matter how fast a car is going’ let’s not bother having speed limits then and if a pedestrian gets run over at 40mph it’s their fault for being in the road. |
Yeah, lets take all personal responsibility away from pedestrians eh? Why bother telling people to learn to cross the road safely?
Then, dont bother punishing just the dangerous drivers who kill people but make EVERYBODY drive more slowly even those who never had an accident, never hurt anybody.
Meanwhile people still get killed by the dangerous drivers and stupid edestrians keep being stupid. Whatever happened to blaming the guilty and eaving the innocent alone? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:29 - Apr 12 with 853 views | lifelong |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:27 - Apr 12 by SullutaCreturned |
Pedestrians and even other drivers would have much better chances if the stupid, dangerous drivers were clamped down on.
A stupid pedestrian wont be killed by a safe driver, mostly. No, mostly they'll be killed by a stupid driver who is driving under the influence of something or just speeding because its fun, they're in a rush and that justifies it or just because they think they're special and can do what the feck they please.
More speed cameras, more police on the roads and streets and stronger punishments for offenders could save more lives than this measure that punishes the innocent alongside the guilty. |
Do you really look at it as being a punishment?
Personally I don’t see much difference.
Also you say that the Welsh Government have implemented these measures to force people out of their cars, do you really believe that?
Do you feel that since last September you are being forced to use public transport because of the 20mph limit? | | | |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:52 - Apr 12 with 826 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 08:44 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
No, what I am disputing is that the pedestrian has a better chance of avoiding serious injury if the driver has a better chance of stopping.’No matter how fast a car is going’ let’s not bother having speed limits then and if a pedestrian gets run over at 40mph it’s their fault for being in the road. |
If a pedestrian doesn't notice a car shifting towards them at 40mph and steps out in front of it then they certainly would bear some responsibility for their own demise. | |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 09:58 - Apr 12 with 817 views | onehunglow |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:29 - Apr 12 by lifelong |
Do you really look at it as being a punishment?
Personally I don’t see much difference.
Also you say that the Welsh Government have implemented these measures to force people out of their cars, do you really believe that?
Do you feel that since last September you are being forced to use public transport because of the 20mph limit? |
Reason for deaths on the road is mainly driver error . This covers a myriad of negligent driving but it’s mainly lack of concentration and poor perception of hazards. Every driver thinks he’s great . Most drivers hate anyone that gets in their way,cyclists ( regularly maligned on here) ,pedestrians ( it’s getting like America, why don’t they use the car) etc.
We need to retrain but that would mean drivers having their driving ability ripped down and rebuilt. Few drivers would submit themselves to having their driving criticised. Try it on a chum.
It’s not purely about speed either although it is part of it .
Cars braking ability is now light years ahead of what it was when I learned in 1967 . Most drivers don’t know how to use a gearbox correctly or to brake efficiently. Most don’t even check their vehicles before every journey . I do,still. As to why ,should be obvious
Motor cars kill and they are not a man / woman cage of personal space | |
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| The 20MPH punishments on 10:49 - Apr 12 with 793 views | Dr_Winston |
| The 20MPH punishments on 09:58 - Apr 12 by onehunglow |
Reason for deaths on the road is mainly driver error . This covers a myriad of negligent driving but it’s mainly lack of concentration and poor perception of hazards. Every driver thinks he’s great . Most drivers hate anyone that gets in their way,cyclists ( regularly maligned on here) ,pedestrians ( it’s getting like America, why don’t they use the car) etc.
We need to retrain but that would mean drivers having their driving ability ripped down and rebuilt. Few drivers would submit themselves to having their driving criticised. Try it on a chum.
It’s not purely about speed either although it is part of it .
Cars braking ability is now light years ahead of what it was when I learned in 1967 . Most drivers don’t know how to use a gearbox correctly or to brake efficiently. Most don’t even check their vehicles before every journey . I do,still. As to why ,should be obvious
Motor cars kill and they are not a man / woman cage of personal space |
In reality of course the main reason for fatalities on the road is pedestrian error. The source for that is the ONS.
34,726 accidents in the UK in 2021 caused by pedestrians against 19,184 by driver error.
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain- [Post edited 12 Apr 2024 10:54]
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| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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