| Chinese ballon 10:06 - Feb 5 with 8245 views | controversial_jack |
Another false flag by the Americans? Chinese can get what they want from satellites. |  | | |  |
| Chinese ballon on 07:54 - Feb 7 with 1509 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 07:43 - Feb 7 by Kilkennyjack |
Its the 4th balloon.
Trump never told about the 3 during his Presidency.
What a cry baby loser Trump is. |
Not sure why you have gone of thread again.
Just a reminder this thread is a about a Chinese balloon the clue is in the title. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 08:08 - Feb 7 with 1496 views | Scotia |
| Chinese ballon on 20:12 - Feb 6 by controversial_jack |
A question mark denotes a question, did you miss that bit?
The Chinese, can indeed get what they want from satelites.
You have made a fool of yourself again |
But the question mark is after it being a false flag, and not whether or not the chinese can get their information from satelites.
Only one poster could have started a thread like this. I'm sure somebody thinks they're being controversial again. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 10:00 - Feb 7 with 1461 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 08:08 - Feb 7 by Scotia |
But the question mark is after it being a false flag, and not whether or not the chinese can get their information from satelites.
Only one poster could have started a thread like this. I'm sure somebody thinks they're being controversial again. |
Only one persons thinks that everything done by one party States ruled by dictators who pretend they are communist is morally acceptable. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 10:29 - Feb 7 with 1455 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 08:08 - Feb 7 by Scotia |
But the question mark is after it being a false flag, and not whether or not the chinese can get their information from satelites.
Only one poster could have started a thread like this. I'm sure somebody thinks they're being controversial again. |
A question mark after denotes a question. The other bit wasn't a question it was a statement.I know they can get what they want from satellites. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 10:44 - Feb 7 with 1448 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 10:29 - Feb 7 by controversial_jack |
A question mark after denotes a question. The other bit wasn't a question it was a statement.I know they can get what they want from satellites. |
Funny how the Chinese threaten any ships sailing through international waters in the South China seas but don't like countries shooting down Chinese assets floating through their airspace. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 11:25 - Feb 7 with 1442 views | Scotia |
| Chinese ballon on 10:29 - Feb 7 by controversial_jack |
A question mark after denotes a question. The other bit wasn't a question it was a statement.I know they can get what they want from satellites. |
So the question was about the balloon being a false flag. The reason for it being there is immaterial and not related to whether it is a false flag or not. How was anyone supposed to know whether it was a spy baloon, weather baloon or a lost chinese Phileas Fogg?
It was there and it was Chinese. So therefore not a false flag. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 12:40 - Feb 7 with 1422 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Chinese ballon on 11:25 - Feb 7 by Scotia |
So the question was about the balloon being a false flag. The reason for it being there is immaterial and not related to whether it is a false flag or not. How was anyone supposed to know whether it was a spy baloon, weather baloon or a lost chinese Phileas Fogg?
It was there and it was Chinese. So therefore not a false flag. |
Besides which, stating the Chinese can use satellites is saying it was a weather balloon, not that it matters. The balloon was over USA airspace without permission so it shot down. The Chinese don't like it but tough.
I don't know what it was but I won't take China's word for it anymore than I would Russias, unlike some. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 15:42 - Feb 7 with 1401 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 11:25 - Feb 7 by Scotia |
So the question was about the balloon being a false flag. The reason for it being there is immaterial and not related to whether it is a false flag or not. How was anyone supposed to know whether it was a spy baloon, weather baloon or a lost chinese Phileas Fogg?
It was there and it was Chinese. So therefore not a false flag. |
You obviously have no idea what a false flag is.
This is what a false flag is.
The Chinese foreign ministry asserts similar:
China strongly disapproves of and protests against the US attack on a civilian unmanned airship by force. The Chinese side has, after verification, repeatedly informed the US side of the civilian nature of the airship and conveyed that its entry into the US due to force majeure was totally unexpected. The Chinese side has clearly asked the US side to properly handle the matter in a calm, professional and restrained manner.
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
The Yanks lied. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 15:46]
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| Chinese ballon on 20:52 - Feb 7 with 1374 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Chinese ballon on 15:42 - Feb 7 by controversial_jack |
You obviously have no idea what a false flag is.
This is what a false flag is.
The Chinese foreign ministry asserts similar:
China strongly disapproves of and protests against the US attack on a civilian unmanned airship by force. The Chinese side has, after verification, repeatedly informed the US side of the civilian nature of the airship and conveyed that its entry into the US due to force majeure was totally unexpected. The Chinese side has clearly asked the US side to properly handle the matter in a calm, professional and restrained manner.
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
The Yanks lied. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 15:46]
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Oh, a revelation, the Chinese are telling the truth and the Americans lied, ha ha ha
I know very well what a false flag is, A false flag operation is an act committed with the intent of disguising the actual source of responsibility and pinning blame on another party, you were suggesting the Americans had launched this balloon and lying that it was Chinese.
PS, by the replies to this thread I think it's clear who people think has made a fool of themselves, again. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 22:33 - Feb 7 with 1349 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 20:52 - Feb 7 by SullutaCreturned |
Oh, a revelation, the Chinese are telling the truth and the Americans lied, ha ha ha
I know very well what a false flag is, A false flag operation is an act committed with the intent of disguising the actual source of responsibility and pinning blame on another party, you were suggesting the Americans had launched this balloon and lying that it was Chinese.
PS, by the replies to this thread I think it's clear who people think has made a fool of themselves, again. |
Of course the US never lies. WMD being a very large one.Can't get much bigger really
From CNN, an American publication
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/02/04/asia/beijing-reacts-us-jets-shoot-chinese-spy [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 22:34]
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| Chinese ballon on 23:54 - Feb 7 with 1335 views | DJack |
I'll do a repost as you have not addressed any of it
"As ever you post arrant nonsense.
As one example, spy sateilites struggle with IR due to cloud cover. The US still uses spyplanes as satellites have limitations. As an example everheard of the Open Skies Treaty?
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/openskies
Apparently meteorological ballons have a payload of around 1.5-3m wide. This one is three buses wide! If it were one China would have officialy informed the US that they lost control of one and that it would enter US airspace in around two days time on the prevailing winds...they kept quiet and this is apparently the fourth incursion by such a large ballon, the three others during Trumps preidency. |  |
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| Chinese ballon on 09:15 - Feb 8 with 1298 views | Scotia |
| Chinese ballon on 15:42 - Feb 7 by controversial_jack |
You obviously have no idea what a false flag is.
This is what a false flag is.
The Chinese foreign ministry asserts similar:
China strongly disapproves of and protests against the US attack on a civilian unmanned airship by force. The Chinese side has, after verification, repeatedly informed the US side of the civilian nature of the airship and conveyed that its entry into the US due to force majeure was totally unexpected. The Chinese side has clearly asked the US side to properly handle the matter in a calm, professional and restrained manner.
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
The Yanks lied. [Post edited 7 Feb 2023 15:46]
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What's false about it?
Was it there or wasn't it there? Did it have permission to be there? And was it Chinese?
That's all that matters. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 10:10 - Feb 8 with 1270 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 23:54 - Feb 7 by DJack |
I'll do a repost as you have not addressed any of it
"As ever you post arrant nonsense.
As one example, spy sateilites struggle with IR due to cloud cover. The US still uses spyplanes as satellites have limitations. As an example everheard of the Open Skies Treaty?
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/openskies
Apparently meteorological ballons have a payload of around 1.5-3m wide. This one is three buses wide! If it were one China would have officialy informed the US that they lost control of one and that it would enter US airspace in around two days time on the prevailing winds...they kept quiet and this is apparently the fourth incursion by such a large ballon, the three others during Trumps preidency. |
They didn't keep quiet about it as has been previously explained to you
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south:
Another U.S. official said intelligence agencies began tracking the balloon several days ago, not long after it had left China and began its controlled drift toward the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. The official said American trackers continued to monitor the balloon as it progressed through Canada toward the continental United States, and were surprised when it crossed over into American airspace.
The Yanks lied | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 16:09 - Feb 8 with 1242 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 10:10 - Feb 8 by controversial_jack |
They didn't keep quiet about it as has been previously explained to you
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south:
Another U.S. official said intelligence agencies began tracking the balloon several days ago, not long after it had left China and began its controlled drift toward the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. The official said American trackers continued to monitor the balloon as it progressed through Canada toward the continental United States, and were surprised when it crossed over into American airspace.
The Yanks lied |
Bit like the Chinese government who always lie. They invaded Tibet, are practicing Genocide against Muslims in China and threatening anyone who sails in international waters in the South China Sea. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 17:56 - Feb 8 with 1231 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Chinese ballon on 10:10 - Feb 8 by controversial_jack |
They didn't keep quiet about it as has been previously explained to you
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south:
Another U.S. official said intelligence agencies began tracking the balloon several days ago, not long after it had left China and began its controlled drift toward the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. The official said American trackers continued to monitor the balloon as it progressed through Canada toward the continental United States, and were surprised when it crossed over into American airspace.
The Yanks lied |
OK, I have this,
https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/china-spy-balloon/?id=96874279#:~:text=A%
Do you have any links or any direct quotes for what you claim?
PS, I'm not doubting the USA lies, they do, we do, all politicians do. The issue I guess is in someone always believing China or Russia over other countries. How many times did you defend Russia and now you have moved on to defending China, it's not a good look. Why don't you move to China, you might like it. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 22:01 - Feb 8 with 1198 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 16:09 - Feb 8 by felixstowe_jack |
Bit like the Chinese government who always lie. They invaded Tibet, are practicing Genocide against Muslims in China and threatening anyone who sails in international waters in the South China Sea. |
Like the US who have invaded or bombed 30 countries since ww2 ended | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 23:22 - Feb 8 with 1177 views | Scotia |
| Chinese ballon on 10:10 - Feb 8 by controversial_jack |
They didn't keep quiet about it as has been previously explained to you
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south:
Another U.S. official said intelligence agencies began tracking the balloon several days ago, not long after it had left China and began its controlled drift toward the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. The official said American trackers continued to monitor the balloon as it progressed through Canada toward the continental United States, and were surprised when it crossed over into American airspace.
The Yanks lied |
How does this mean the US lied?
"Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south"
Does this "sudden turn south" which just happened to pass over the nuclear facilities in Montana coincide with a sudden turn south in the direction of the prevailing winds? | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 00:32 - Feb 9 with 1166 views | DJack |
| Chinese ballon on 10:10 - Feb 8 by controversial_jack |
They didn't keep quiet about it as has been previously explained to you
So China in fact had communicated with the U.S. and discussed the issue.
Its claim that the ballon went unexpectedly off course is by the way completely correct. The U.S. had long tracked the ballon over Alaska and Canada and was equally surprised when it suddenly turned south:
Another U.S. official said intelligence agencies began tracking the balloon several days ago, not long after it had left China and began its controlled drift toward the Aleutian Islands of Alaska. The official said American trackers continued to monitor the balloon as it progressed through Canada toward the continental United States, and were surprised when it crossed over into American airspace.
The Yanks lied |
As usual you dissemble.
You've not addressed the point I made in response to your China and their satellites guff - As one example I gave was IR intelligence and how cloud cover messes this up. Collection of RF use is another, yada,yada,yada.
The So called Meterological balloon losd was massively larger than any others ... I pointed out the fact that they are apparently 1.5 - 3meters wide.
It's flight path demonstrated that it was steerable ...and it still entered US airspace and flew over many "sensitive" sites.
It was one of many such incursions in the US and accross the globe.
Weather balloon! ... As usual a risible and patently false assertion from you.
You lie. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 10:00 - Feb 9 with 1129 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 00:32 - Feb 9 by DJack |
As usual you dissemble.
You've not addressed the point I made in response to your China and their satellites guff - As one example I gave was IR intelligence and how cloud cover messes this up. Collection of RF use is another, yada,yada,yada.
The So called Meterological balloon losd was massively larger than any others ... I pointed out the fact that they are apparently 1.5 - 3meters wide.
It's flight path demonstrated that it was steerable ...and it still entered US airspace and flew over many "sensitive" sites.
It was one of many such incursions in the US and accross the globe.
Weather balloon! ... As usual a risible and patently false assertion from you.
You lie. |
On January 29 the Chinese weather balloon was drifting westward over Alaska and Canada. There was no expectation that it would cross into the United States. But an unusual low pressure formation over east Canada eventually caused that. Low pressure areas in the northern hemisphere turn counter-clockwise. High pressure areas turn clockwise. The unusually strong low pressure zone over east Canada pushed arctic air masses south through Canada and then south west to west to New England. This phenomenon, on February 1 and 2, caused a cold snap in east Canada and the northeast of the U.S.. But the wind also caused the 200 feet high balloon to turn south.
Picture the coldest Canadian night imaginable. What did you think of it? Clear skies? Calm winds? A deep snowpack? This cold snap had none of these ingredients align because this type of cold is different. Meet advection cold.
The cold air wasn’t developed on location. The imported cold was fed south by a strong low and the trajectory of the polar vortex. The polar vortex was swirling near Hudson Bay and was slingshotted south by favourable atmospheric dynamics.
The cold air wrapped around a developing low, lifting across Labrador. Not just any cold air, either -- the stratospheric polar vortex mixed down in what’s known as a tropopause fold and occurs near the core of a jet stream.
Both the cold snap and the balloon's turn were surprising. The jet stream would usually have prevent both from happening. But this time the low pressure area proved to be stronger if only for a short moment. It is the reason why the balloon ended up crossing the U.S.
There was no way the balloon could have been steered against the prevailing wind. Here is a CBS meteorologist, who had used NOAA software to predicted the course of the ballon, confirming that fact:
The balloon is flying at the height of the jet stream. The jet stream winds will steer the balloon… even a simple rudder won’t be a match for the 200+ mph upper level winds.
By no means could China have planned the balloon's course. Any allegations that the balloon was being 'steered' and intentionally crossed U.S. missile fields and military bases to 'spy' on those are thereby bogus. China has some 300 satellites in the earth's orbit. It does not need balloons to take aerial pictures of static missile silos in the mid-west U.S.
Sorry, it's a bit long winded, but there it is, I won't hold my breath for an apology. | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 18:09 - Feb 9 with 1104 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 10:00 - Feb 9 by controversial_jack |
On January 29 the Chinese weather balloon was drifting westward over Alaska and Canada. There was no expectation that it would cross into the United States. But an unusual low pressure formation over east Canada eventually caused that. Low pressure areas in the northern hemisphere turn counter-clockwise. High pressure areas turn clockwise. The unusually strong low pressure zone over east Canada pushed arctic air masses south through Canada and then south west to west to New England. This phenomenon, on February 1 and 2, caused a cold snap in east Canada and the northeast of the U.S.. But the wind also caused the 200 feet high balloon to turn south.
Picture the coldest Canadian night imaginable. What did you think of it? Clear skies? Calm winds? A deep snowpack? This cold snap had none of these ingredients align because this type of cold is different. Meet advection cold.
The cold air wasn’t developed on location. The imported cold was fed south by a strong low and the trajectory of the polar vortex. The polar vortex was swirling near Hudson Bay and was slingshotted south by favourable atmospheric dynamics.
The cold air wrapped around a developing low, lifting across Labrador. Not just any cold air, either -- the stratospheric polar vortex mixed down in what’s known as a tropopause fold and occurs near the core of a jet stream.
Both the cold snap and the balloon's turn were surprising. The jet stream would usually have prevent both from happening. But this time the low pressure area proved to be stronger if only for a short moment. It is the reason why the balloon ended up crossing the U.S.
There was no way the balloon could have been steered against the prevailing wind. Here is a CBS meteorologist, who had used NOAA software to predicted the course of the ballon, confirming that fact:
The balloon is flying at the height of the jet stream. The jet stream winds will steer the balloon… even a simple rudder won’t be a match for the 200+ mph upper level winds.
By no means could China have planned the balloon's course. Any allegations that the balloon was being 'steered' and intentionally crossed U.S. missile fields and military bases to 'spy' on those are thereby bogus. China has some 300 satellites in the earth's orbit. It does not need balloons to take aerial pictures of static missile silos in the mid-west U.S.
Sorry, it's a bit long winded, but there it is, I won't hold my breath for an apology. |
No you certainly won't apologise for the war crimes and civilian massacres by the Russians or Chinese. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 21:15 - Feb 9 with 1071 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 18:09 - Feb 9 by felixstowe_jack |
No you certainly won't apologise for the war crimes and civilian massacres by the Russians or Chinese. |
Why would i apologise? | | | |
| Chinese ballon on 00:14 - Feb 10 with 1046 views | DJack |
| Chinese ballon on 10:00 - Feb 9 by controversial_jack |
On January 29 the Chinese weather balloon was drifting westward over Alaska and Canada. There was no expectation that it would cross into the United States. But an unusual low pressure formation over east Canada eventually caused that. Low pressure areas in the northern hemisphere turn counter-clockwise. High pressure areas turn clockwise. The unusually strong low pressure zone over east Canada pushed arctic air masses south through Canada and then south west to west to New England. This phenomenon, on February 1 and 2, caused a cold snap in east Canada and the northeast of the U.S.. But the wind also caused the 200 feet high balloon to turn south.
Picture the coldest Canadian night imaginable. What did you think of it? Clear skies? Calm winds? A deep snowpack? This cold snap had none of these ingredients align because this type of cold is different. Meet advection cold.
The cold air wasn’t developed on location. The imported cold was fed south by a strong low and the trajectory of the polar vortex. The polar vortex was swirling near Hudson Bay and was slingshotted south by favourable atmospheric dynamics.
The cold air wrapped around a developing low, lifting across Labrador. Not just any cold air, either -- the stratospheric polar vortex mixed down in what’s known as a tropopause fold and occurs near the core of a jet stream.
Both the cold snap and the balloon's turn were surprising. The jet stream would usually have prevent both from happening. But this time the low pressure area proved to be stronger if only for a short moment. It is the reason why the balloon ended up crossing the U.S.
There was no way the balloon could have been steered against the prevailing wind. Here is a CBS meteorologist, who had used NOAA software to predicted the course of the ballon, confirming that fact:
The balloon is flying at the height of the jet stream. The jet stream winds will steer the balloon… even a simple rudder won’t be a match for the 200+ mph upper level winds.
By no means could China have planned the balloon's course. Any allegations that the balloon was being 'steered' and intentionally crossed U.S. missile fields and military bases to 'spy' on those are thereby bogus. China has some 300 satellites in the earth's orbit. It does not need balloons to take aerial pictures of static missile silos in the mid-west U.S.
Sorry, it's a bit long winded, but there it is, I won't hold my breath for an apology. |
Oh dear! Moon of Alabama!!!
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So another BS site pushed by you.
You've still not touched on why the "meterological" payload was so huge or admitted that satellites are not the total answer for reconnaissance/spying. Nor the many previous incursions over the world in both hemispheres.
You still disssemble and lie/promote guff. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 07:40 - Feb 10 with 1034 views | felixstowe_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 22:01 - Feb 8 by controversial_jack |
Like the US who have invaded or bombed 30 countries since ww2 ended |
Like the Chinese who invaded Tibet and South Korea and provided weapons for many communist uprising in other Countries.
Please try to stick to the thread which is about an illegal incursion into America airspace with something that is not your usual small metrological balloon. | |
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| Chinese ballon on 10:45 - Feb 10 with 1002 views | controversial_jack |
| Chinese ballon on 07:40 - Feb 10 by felixstowe_jack |
Like the Chinese who invaded Tibet and South Korea and provided weapons for many communist uprising in other Countries.
Please try to stick to the thread which is about an illegal incursion into America airspace with something that is not your usual small metrological balloon. |
I've shown you that it was normal weather balloon, but you don't seem or don't want to accept this | | | |
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