| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED 18:01 - Nov 6 with 44334 views | KeithHaynes |
It starts here.
https://www.fansnetwork.co.uk/football/swanseacity/news/58939
Wales' World Cup squad
Wales squad in full:
Goalkeepers: Wayne Hennessey, Danny Ward, Adam Davies.
Defenders: Ben Davies, Ben Cabango, Tom Lockyer, Joe Rodon, Chris Mepham, Ethan Ampadu, Chris Gunter, Neco Williams, Connor Roberts, Sorba Thomas.
Midfielders: Joe Allen, Matt Smith, Dylan Levitt, Joe Morrell, Jonny Williams, Aaron Ramsey.
Attackers: Harry Wilson, Rubin Colwill, Gareth Bale, Kieffer Moore, Mark Harris, Brennan Johnson, Daniel James.
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 13:43 - Nov 21 with 1625 views | Badlands |
Watched 10 minutes but the xenophobic commentary was too much. |  |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 13:50 - Nov 21 with 1604 views | STID2017 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 13:43 - Nov 21 by Badlands |
Watched 10 minutes but the xenophobic commentary was too much. |
Beating the awful Iran 3 - 0 atm.
Commentators making out like they are playing Brazil and winning comfortably  |  |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:04 - Nov 21 with 1587 views | mart66 |
Which bit, specifically?
Not sure how anyone could put any sort of counter to it. Which is why I assume you didn’t. |  |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:11 - Nov 21 with 1576 views | mart66 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 13:50 - Nov 21 by STID2017 |
Beating the awful Iran 3 - 0 atm.
Commentators making out like they are playing Brazil and winning comfortably |
Iran are not awful.
I think they lost 2 of their last 18 games. Including beating Uruguay and drawing against Portugal.
England have been excellent though. | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:12 - Nov 21 with 1571 views | STID2017 |
Sad that you constantly stick up for him and hang on his coat tails
You claim to be your own man who isn't led by others view.
Obviously he is the exception that proves the rule.
Sad that | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:12 - Nov 21 with 1572 views | SkipTheJack |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 07:37 - Nov 21 by mart66 |
This kneeling and virtue lark does far more harm to society than it does good. The people it creates and breeds are utterly intolerable. It is pushing this dishonest and shallow narrative that has infested the west, which is now failing to address any issues at all and entirely focussed on personal image and servicing that instead. Even BLM themselves have been exposed as spending their donation money on houses, lavish parties and funding fringe and extreme political movements. They don’t help anyone that they fraudulently use as the front/bait to get the donations.
It also played a part politically which led to one of the most disastrous elections in modern history which was a key catalyst to the world being in one of the most crippling financial predicaments that many have ever experienced.
Could anyone tell me anything good that has come from this kneeling lark, it seems to have created more division than togetherness which must be one of the most anti-symbolic things to have ever been done. Completely doing the opposite of what it claims to want to do. Most people when asked do the easy cop out and say “raising awareness” - as if anyone wasn’t aware previously, it does nothing of the sort in reality.
I seem to notice people have been slowly but surely replacing their Ukraine flags/profile pics in the hope that nobody notices. Virtue only has a shelf life for so long before people get bored. I’m waiting for the next one to make an appearance and will be the fresh new thing that’s all the rage.
It’s all incredibly nauseating. Especially from a team that is choosing to line the pockets of Qatar and promote it as a major global event host. It’s not something that has only just been discovered, Qatar and the inner workings of the country have been well known for decades and they went there in full knowledge of this and accepting that it wasn’t important enough to make an actual meaningful stand.
The knee is simply a free pass to be able to do whatever you like. As long as your knee touches the grass for a few seconds before the match and the cameras are pointing at you, then all is forgiven. It’s like they think we are stupid, although I’m sure many will be lapping it up and falling for this corporate driven nonsense.
Genuinely vomit inducing. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 7:46]
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The 'kneel' is meant to express the reasonable sentiment that black lives matter. It's not about anything else, despite whatever conspiracy theories you may have read online, or heard spouted by Farage or Neil Oliver on GB News. It's not about socialism, or de-funding the police, or overturning the current World order. It's simply a means for reasonable people to stand in solidarity with those who have to experience racism on a daily basis.
I don't understand how anyone can have a problem with that. |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:13 - Nov 21 with 1570 views | mart66 |
Thanks.
Doesn’t matter really, the poster in question is well versed in going against whatever I say regardless of what it is. I doubt he even read it in honesty.
There is a reason nobody has disputed it, they know it’s true. | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:18 - Nov 21 with 1542 views | mart66 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:12 - Nov 21 by SkipTheJack |
The 'kneel' is meant to express the reasonable sentiment that black lives matter. It's not about anything else, despite whatever conspiracy theories you may have read online, or heard spouted by Farage or Neil Oliver on GB News. It's not about socialism, or de-funding the police, or overturning the current World order. It's simply a means for reasonable people to stand in solidarity with those who have to experience racism on a daily basis.
I don't understand how anyone can have a problem with that. |
Then why adopt the exact gesture which represents Black Lives Matter (the organisation) which does stand for all those things you claim it doesn’t then?
Weird thing to do isn’t it?
You forget that this gesture was also done with the BLM fist and the hoards of #BLM tags and open support of the organisation. It’s no conspiracy.
If they don’t want it to be affiliated with the fraudulent, divisive and anti-Semitic political movement then they should really think of a more fitting gesture. | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:21 - Nov 21 with 1524 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:18 - Nov 21 by mart66 |
Then why adopt the exact gesture which represents Black Lives Matter (the organisation) which does stand for all those things you claim it doesn’t then?
Weird thing to do isn’t it?
You forget that this gesture was also done with the BLM fist and the hoards of #BLM tags and open support of the organisation. It’s no conspiracy.
If they don’t want it to be affiliated with the fraudulent, divisive and anti-Semitic political movement then they should really think of a more fitting gesture. |
This has been done to death. Some people don't like the kneeling and think like you it is purely political, others think it is to do with supporting black people and taking a stand against racism. Not sure there is any point in rehashing it again. it's been discussed many times |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:27 - Nov 21 with 1498 views | mart66 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:21 - Nov 21 by Sirjohnalot |
This has been done to death. Some people don't like the kneeling and think like you it is purely political, others think it is to do with supporting black people and taking a stand against racism. Not sure there is any point in rehashing it again. it's been discussed many times |
Unfortunately the more this gesture continues the same discussions will be had about it. It’s why it doesn’t fulfil the brief, it’s divisive not galvanising.
I don’t think it’s purely political anyway, I’m sure there are some (maybe even most) that do it for the reasons others say. But it won’t be everyone and even if it’s nobody, it promotes the damaging political ideology.
You ask 10,000 people on the street why players take the knee. How many will say for BLM (the organisation)? I would say 70%, maybe higher. So to leave that go unchallenged would mean that those people would see it and think it’s a worthy cause.
If there was a genuine desire to separate the sentiment from the organisation then the knee still wouldn’t exist. People enjoy the conflict it creates because they can pretend any opposition is because they are racist and it creates the enemy that wouldn’t be there without the gesture.
If they linked arms in a new gesture to signify equality and anti-racism (of all races) then they wouldn’t get a single voice of disagreement - but there is no virtue or fun in a battle with no opposition to it. | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:29 - Nov 21 with 1491 views | mart66 |
Wow, what a vomit inducing intentionally false accusation.
Can you point out any of the racist or bigoted content and explain that accusation? Either from that post or from any in the past.
If not I’ll assume you are just trolling and looking for attention again. Quite unbelievable you would use such things as race to step all over as your platform for conflict, but nothing surprises me with you these days.
Specifics please. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 14:31]
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:31 - Nov 21 with 1483 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:27 - Nov 21 by mart66 |
Unfortunately the more this gesture continues the same discussions will be had about it. It’s why it doesn’t fulfil the brief, it’s divisive not galvanising.
I don’t think it’s purely political anyway, I’m sure there are some (maybe even most) that do it for the reasons others say. But it won’t be everyone and even if it’s nobody, it promotes the damaging political ideology.
You ask 10,000 people on the street why players take the knee. How many will say for BLM (the organisation)? I would say 70%, maybe higher. So to leave that go unchallenged would mean that those people would see it and think it’s a worthy cause.
If there was a genuine desire to separate the sentiment from the organisation then the knee still wouldn’t exist. People enjoy the conflict it creates because they can pretend any opposition is because they are racist and it creates the enemy that wouldn’t be there without the gesture.
If they linked arms in a new gesture to signify equality and anti-racism (of all races) then they wouldn’t get a single voice of disagreement - but there is no virtue or fun in a battle with no opposition to it. |
It has been made clear time and time again by the players that the knee is about promoting racial harmony and highlighting abuse which still goes on.
If people want to see something else, that is on them.
if they did something else they'd be accused of 'bringing politics into football' in exactly the same way as the wannabe protests about gay rights have been spoken about. | | | |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:36 - Nov 21 with 1475 views | STID2017 |
4-1 now.
Hopefully we can get a draw tonight at least then at least match England's result against Iran ?
If the USA can get a draw against England then sets the game against the old enemy very interesting | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:37 - Nov 21 with 1469 views | SkipTheJack |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:18 - Nov 21 by mart66 |
Then why adopt the exact gesture which represents Black Lives Matter (the organisation) which does stand for all those things you claim it doesn’t then?
Weird thing to do isn’t it?
You forget that this gesture was also done with the BLM fist and the hoards of #BLM tags and open support of the organisation. It’s no conspiracy.
If they don’t want it to be affiliated with the fraudulent, divisive and anti-Semitic political movement then they should really think of a more fitting gesture. |
I think the problem here is that when you see footballers kneeling you think they are advocating for all those things you list, which exist only in your head and nowhere else. This is the message amplified by the extreme right, who will no doubt be delighted to see your posts on here.
Presumably, though, the footballers are actually supporting the mission statement on the BLM website ( https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/) which concerns only freedom from violence, discrimination, and fear, and all seems entirely fair and reasonable to me. It certainly doesn't sound very divisive, does it? (assuming you've actually read it, rather than basing your dislike on what Trump and Farage told you to think).
I would suggest the solution is that if you don't like kneeling then you don't join in. | | | |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:37 - Nov 21 with 1468 views | mart66 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:31 - Nov 21 by Sirjohnalot |
It has been made clear time and time again by the players that the knee is about promoting racial harmony and highlighting abuse which still goes on.
If people want to see something else, that is on them.
if they did something else they'd be accused of 'bringing politics into football' in exactly the same way as the wannabe protests about gay rights have been spoken about. |
What do you mean by “the players”?
By one or two, sure. But not everyone kneeling has given their reasons and not all will be doing it for the same reasons - and let’s not forget the undeniably clear links for the first 6 months of its use. It was proudly standing next to the political movement, that can’t now just be ignored on command.
As I said, even if zero do it for political reasons (highly unlikely) - those who are it’s intended reach will almost certainly in their bulk think it is. Only a small amount will ever bother reading into a couple of players reasoning. I would say the vast majority of passive viewers will say it’s for “BLM”.
So if those seeing the gesture will automatically link it with a support for the organisation which every single person on the planet should be against, then the pushback against such a gesture is not only obvious but guaranteed.
But I guess that’s by design at this point. | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:43 - Nov 21 with 1444 views | Sirjohnalot |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:37 - Nov 21 by mart66 |
What do you mean by “the players”?
By one or two, sure. But not everyone kneeling has given their reasons and not all will be doing it for the same reasons - and let’s not forget the undeniably clear links for the first 6 months of its use. It was proudly standing next to the political movement, that can’t now just be ignored on command.
As I said, even if zero do it for political reasons (highly unlikely) - those who are it’s intended reach will almost certainly in their bulk think it is. Only a small amount will ever bother reading into a couple of players reasoning. I would say the vast majority of passive viewers will say it’s for “BLM”.
So if those seeing the gesture will automatically link it with a support for the organisation which every single person on the planet should be against, then the pushback against such a gesture is not only obvious but guaranteed.
But I guess that’s by design at this point. |
That's your perception. It's certainly not mine or those I know.
Anyway, back to work, take care | | | |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:48 - Nov 21 with 1432 views | mart66 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:37 - Nov 21 by SkipTheJack |
I think the problem here is that when you see footballers kneeling you think they are advocating for all those things you list, which exist only in your head and nowhere else. This is the message amplified by the extreme right, who will no doubt be delighted to see your posts on here.
Presumably, though, the footballers are actually supporting the mission statement on the BLM website ( https://blacklivesmatter.com/about/) which concerns only freedom from violence, discrimination, and fear, and all seems entirely fair and reasonable to me. It certainly doesn't sound very divisive, does it? (assuming you've actually read it, rather than basing your dislike on what Trump and Farage told you to think).
I would suggest the solution is that if you don't like kneeling then you don't join in. |
Then you aren’t reading my posts.
What the people doing it think is of little consequence, it’s what the people they are intending to influence think that matters - and that will undoubtedly be a link to the incredibly divisive BLM movement.
I am a free thinker and don’t parrot what people tell me, I think you will find I was highlighting this fraudulent as abhorrent organisation before it was even a political talking point for anyone you mention.
I suggest maybe you do your own research instead of getting taken in by the BLM is wonderful myth.
Prior to scrubbing it from their Website as soon as funding was under threat, they wanted to disrupt the Western Nuclear family. Wanted children taken out of the family home and raised by the community. They wanted to defund the police (which led to record murder numbers in the likes of Portland). Wanted no prisons and put pressure on politicians to bail criminals in record numbers, this has ruined the lives of countless people and made certain parts of the city extremely dangerous.
They also invented racial discrimination numbers and massaged police figures to stoke up anger in order to extract donations which they then spent on houses for themselves in largely white neighbourhoods and millions are still unaccounted for. They have been banned from raising any more money in certain states as a result.
They have openly said they are practising and trained Marxists who despise capitalism and was socialism.
Then we can touch upon their horrendous anti semitism.
Should I go on?
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/blm-should-look-to-martin-luther-king-not-ma | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:52 - Nov 21 with 1419 views | STID2017 |
Some of these early games in World Cups are almost like training games.
Wales game tonight should be the first proper game between two evenly matched sides | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:54 - Nov 21 with 1418 views | mart66 |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:43 - Nov 21 by Sirjohnalot |
That's your perception. It's certainly not mine or those I know.
Anyway, back to work, take care |
You have asked them what you think the knee means?
Come on John, not buying that for a second 
Take a look at Twitter and it’s split. You either get people confused why players are still taking a knee when BLM has proven to be a scam, others seem to be celebrating and hash-tagging #BLM… very few seem to be of the opinion that the gesture has changed.
I think you may have unintentionally created a little echo chamber in your friends group maybe, it doesn’t take much of an effort to see that what you say is not the reflection of the majority. | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 14:55 - Nov 21 with 1414 views | mart66 |
Can anyone tell me why a sickening, unfounded and intentionally false accusation of racism is still on this site without punishment, even after reporting?
I heard a very apt quote earlier. Someone asked, how do you deal with views you cannot argue against, the answer was “you call it racist until you silence it”.
That’s very much 2022 for you.
Yuck. [Post edited 21 Nov 2022 15:01]
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 15:00 - Nov 21 with 1400 views | STID2017 |
6 - 1 now.
No contest.
Can't wait for England to face proper opposition | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 15:01 - Nov 21 with 1397 views | mart66 |
Nobody? | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 15:08 - Nov 21 with 1418 views | STID2017 |
Iran should have scored a second there | |
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| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 15:35 - Nov 21 with 1377 views | Fireboy2 |
In saes land apparently its coming home 🙄 |  | | |
| Qatar 2022 : The World Cup Thread UPDATED on 16:42 - Nov 21 with 1289 views | onehunglow |
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In saes land apparently its coming home 🙄 |
The land you live in;the land you bring up your family.
Be grateful. |  |
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