| Drakeford on 17:03 - Jan 12 with 1229 views | JACKMANANDBOY |
| Drakeford on 12:49 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
For the same reason everyone (including millionaires) are getting the payment support re energy bills, the systems aren’t in place to distinguish between individuals and it’s too expensive to review and change. |
Nah. The energy support was done within months a bit like furlough, the free prescription nonsense has been going on for years. It would be quite simple to set up a process similar to the one in England that identifies those entitled to free prescriptions and those not. |  |
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| Drakeford on 17:09 - Jan 12 with 1209 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford on 12:49 - Jan 12 by majorraglan |
For the same reason everyone (including millionaires) are getting the payment support re energy bills, the systems aren’t in place to distinguish between individuals and it’s too expensive to review and change. |
If only we had some kind of database that has all the information about how much people earn and how much tax they pay so we could refer to it, maybe we need a new government department, lets call it HMRC and have them start charging taxes...
Sorry for the sarcasm. |  | | |
| Drakeford on 17:17 - Jan 12 with 1193 views | Boundy |
| Drakeford on 17:09 - Jan 12 by SullutaCreturned |
If only we had some kind of database that has all the information about how much people earn and how much tax they pay so we could refer to it, maybe we need a new government department, lets call it HMRC and have them start charging taxes...
Sorry for the sarcasm. |
far too difficult | |
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| Drakeford on 18:01 - Jan 12 with 1167 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford on 17:17 - Jan 12 by Boundy |
far too difficult |
If you work you pay. It should be as simple as that.
But it's the free school meals that really get me, imagine how much that must cost? And every primary school child will get one every day.
I'm glad I'm not paying the increased school fuel and grocery bill, oh wait I am. | | | |
| Drakeford on 18:23 - Jan 12 with 1136 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford on 18:01 - Jan 12 by Scotia |
If you work you pay. It should be as simple as that.
But it's the free school meals that really get me, imagine how much that must cost? And every primary school child will get one every day.
I'm glad I'm not paying the increased school fuel and grocery bill, oh wait I am. |
I've long been saying it, why do we give benefits to people who dont need the money.
We don't need child benefit but how do you stop it?
benefits should never be universal, they should be on the basis of need, if you don't need you don't get then we can give more to people in genuine need. | | | |
| Drakeford on 18:30 - Jan 12 with 1133 views | controversial_jack |
| Drakeford on 16:18 - Jan 12 by raynor94 |
What was the alternative, Milliband and Corbyn.
Blame the Union barons for electing the wrong Milliband |
This govt has been in charge for 13 years; no excuses | | | |
| Drakeford on 19:07 - Jan 12 with 1108 views | SullutaCreturned |
| Drakeford on 18:30 - Jan 12 by controversial_jack |
This govt has been in charge for 13 years; no excuses |
They have no excuses for what they've done, no. However, if labour hadn't put Corbyn in we may never have arrived here!
Lets make Bojo Prime Minister, what can possibly go wrong! | | | |
| Drakeford on 20:09 - Jan 12 with 1075 views | Boundy |
| Drakeford on 18:01 - Jan 12 by Scotia |
If you work you pay. It should be as simple as that.
But it's the free school meals that really get me, imagine how much that must cost? And every primary school child will get one every day.
I'm glad I'm not paying the increased school fuel and grocery bill, oh wait I am. |
But its not really. a lot of people work and are able to claim tax credits so there would still have to a tiered system , then you read about queues forming to buy bottles of Prime which is ineffective just flavored water , I wonder how much bonus the marketing team had for that little promotion | |
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| Drakeford on 20:29 - Jan 12 with 1058 views | raynor94 |
| Drakeford on 18:30 - Jan 12 by controversial_jack |
This govt has been in charge for 13 years; no excuses |
Blame McCluskey and his cohorts for that |  |
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| Drakeford on 20:39 - Jan 12 with 1048 views | Gwyn737 |
| Drakeford on 20:29 - Jan 12 by raynor94 |
Blame McCluskey and his cohorts for that |
Yes, the Corbyn era was a disaster but it was a fraction of the last 13 years.
The question remains, 13 years of Conservative rule; what’s better? | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:11 - Jan 12 with 1013 views | raynor94 |
| Drakeford on 20:39 - Jan 12 by Gwyn737 |
Yes, the Corbyn era was a disaster but it was a fraction of the last 13 years.
The question remains, 13 years of Conservative rule; what’s better? |
Milliband was elected Labour leader 2010, somebody who was nowhere near capable of leading the party.
Milliband and Corbyn add up to most of those 13 years | |
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| Drakeford on 21:14 - Jan 12 with 1005 views | Gwyn737 |
| Drakeford on 21:11 - Jan 12 by raynor94 |
Milliband was elected Labour leader 2010, somebody who was nowhere near capable of leading the party.
Milliband and Corbyn add up to most of those 13 years |
Fine.
Tories in charge since 2010 due to labour’s ineptitude.
What’s better after those 13 years of Tory rule? | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:16 - Jan 12 with 1004 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford on 20:09 - Jan 12 by Boundy |
But its not really. a lot of people work and are able to claim tax credits so there would still have to a tiered system , then you read about queues forming to buy bottles of Prime which is ineffective just flavored water , I wonder how much bonus the marketing team had for that little promotion |
We just need the same system that works in England.
We don't for the sake of being different. | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:18 - Jan 12 with 995 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford on 21:11 - Jan 12 by raynor94 |
Milliband was elected Labour leader 2010, somebody who was nowhere near capable of leading the party.
Milliband and Corbyn add up to most of those 13 years |
I often wonder what would have happened to the country if David Milliband had beaten his brother in the Labour leadership contest.
That's where labour's problems began. | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:38 - Jan 12 with 977 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford on 18:23 - Jan 12 by SullutaCreturned |
I've long been saying it, why do we give benefits to people who dont need the money.
We don't need child benefit but how do you stop it?
benefits should never be universal, they should be on the basis of need, if you don't need you don't get then we can give more to people in genuine need. |
I've posted on here before about this, my wife is a social worker. An incredibly unmotivated one at that.
She spends most of her time making sure her clients (adults with learning disabilities who live in the community) keep their bank accounts under the threshold to keep their substantial benefits.
They already have more cash than she gets each month plus they don't pay council tax, bus fare and loads of other financial perks.
One bought a £1500 camera he can't read the instructions to use before Christmas because he had too much money. The same person has already got a safe full of cash in his flat.
Another bought an expensive TV out of old £10 notes before they expired from legal tender in currys in Morfa. He'd had the cash in rolls for so long it wouldn't unfurl at the cash desk.
Her only positive spin on the situation is that she's managed to arrange some charities to benefit via direct debit.
They need and deserve help, but not to be able to live life like a lottery winner. | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:39 - Jan 12 with 976 views | raynor94 |
| Drakeford on 21:18 - Jan 12 by Scotia |
I often wonder what would have happened to the country if David Milliband had beaten his brother in the Labour leadership contest.
That's where labour's problems began. |
Mcluskey made sure the wrong Milliband was elected | |
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| Drakeford on 21:43 - Jan 12 with 973 views | raynor94 |
| Drakeford on 21:14 - Jan 12 by Gwyn737 |
Fine.
Tories in charge since 2010 due to labour’s ineptitude.
What’s better after those 13 years of Tory rule? |
I honestly belive if David Milliband had been elected, we wouldn't have had those 13 Tory years | |
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| Drakeford on 21:43 - Jan 12 with 973 views | CountyJim |
Child allowance even millionaires get it bonkers really.
I've heard a few rich celebs say they give the winter fuel payments to charity
It's a bonkers system |  | | |
| Drakeford on 21:46 - Jan 12 with 966 views | Gwyn737 |
| Drakeford on 21:43 - Jan 12 by raynor94 |
I honestly belive if David Milliband had been elected, we wouldn't have had those 13 Tory years |
You could well be right, Rayns.
Doesn’t let the Tories of the hook, mind. | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:47 - Jan 12 with 965 views | Gwyn737 |
| Drakeford on 21:43 - Jan 12 by CountyJim |
Child allowance even millionaires get it bonkers really.
I've heard a few rich celebs say they give the winter fuel payments to charity
It's a bonkers system |
Child benefit has been means tested for quite a while, Jim. | | | |
| Drakeford on 21:49 - Jan 12 with 964 views | raynor94 |
| Drakeford on 21:46 - Jan 12 by Gwyn737 |
You could well be right, Rayns.
Doesn’t let the Tories of the hook, mind. |
Not in the least! | |
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| Drakeford on 21:53 - Jan 12 with 962 views | BryanSwan |
| Drakeford on 18:01 - Jan 12 by Scotia |
If you work you pay. It should be as simple as that.
But it's the free school meals that really get me, imagine how much that must cost? And every primary school child will get one every day.
I'm glad I'm not paying the increased school fuel and grocery bill, oh wait I am. |
That's quite a ridiculous statement, there are a lot of people that are in work and still in poverty.
As with anything it is debatable as to where the cut off point should be. Over 15k? 20k? 30k? Is that an individual or household.... etc | |
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| Drakeford on 22:13 - Jan 12 with 943 views | CountyJim |
| Drakeford on 21:47 - Jan 12 by Gwyn737 |
Child benefit has been means tested for quite a while, Jim. |
Has it sorry didn't know that
Edit are you sure about that one mate I've just looked it doesn't mention any criteria [Post edited 12 Jan 2023 22:16]
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| Drakeford on 22:24 - Jan 12 with 939 views | Gwyn737 |
| Drakeford on 22:13 - Jan 12 by CountyJim |
Has it sorry didn't know that
Edit are you sure about that one mate I've just looked it doesn't mention any criteria [Post edited 12 Jan 2023 22:16]
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This is it (if we’re talking about the same thing!)
https://www.gov.uk/child-benefit-tax-charge | | | |
| Drakeford on 22:25 - Jan 12 with 939 views | Scotia |
| Drakeford on 21:53 - Jan 12 by BryanSwan |
That's quite a ridiculous statement, there are a lot of people that are in work and still in poverty.
As with anything it is debatable as to where the cut off point should be. Over 15k? 20k? 30k? Is that an individual or household.... etc |
All I'm calling for is a move to the same system as in England.
Most people should not have free prescriptions. Even if you only earn £15k, that's enough to make a contribution towards your medicine if it's something you occasionally need. | | | |
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