| RMT 18:54 - Jun 15 with 16251 views | CountyJim |
Good on you lads power to the people power to the Unions 
They asked the government to sit down and talk but oh no I expect Boris having another party |  | | |  |
| RMT on 02:10 - Jun 22 with 1442 views | Kilkennyjack |
| RMT on 17:10 - Jun 20 by 1983 |
I work for a rail company and I'm a member of the RMT and I will be striking this week and we are very very strong dont worry about that,we were told weeks & weeks ago to bang in the O/T which there is loads of to cover our strike days the amount of BS the media comes out with is shocking. My parent company Firstgroup made £226 million this year and last year made £220 million (during covid) while our government kept tipping money into thier accounts to help them??
Google it people its all there to see but the BBC & Daily Mail people of the world don't want you to see that.
My earliest start sign on shifts in work is 05:30 I get up 04:15 and my latest finish is 23:00 I go to bed out about 1am. I get abuse on a daily basis from chavs to businessmen, I have to deal with disruption,delayed and cancelled trains and I worked all through covid while our managers were in their gardens sun bathing and all we get every now and then is a thank you email. For 21K I work loads of O/T just to get a decent wage.
Our company wasted something like £60 million a couple of years ago on trying to do up old trains and were told time and time again it wouldn't work basically trying to turn a clapped out cortina into a new BMW and it didn't work it got brushed under the carpet and now all got sold for scrap and blamed it on their god sent covid [Post edited 20 Jun 2022 17:17]
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Solidarity.
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| RMT on 06:14 - Jun 22 with 1397 views | felixstowe_jack |
Strike action an inflationary wages increases will lead to a smaller rail industry and jobs losses. Have the unions not learned from their past mistakes, no cost industry, no shipbuilding industry all because of inflexible unions and outdated working practices.
We need a modern 21st rail industry not one stuck with mid 20th century working practices.
Recent opinion poll. Only 35% of the public support the current strike action 45% are against it. |  |
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| RMT on 08:59 - Jun 22 with 1351 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 06:14 - Jun 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Strike action an inflationary wages increases will lead to a smaller rail industry and jobs losses. Have the unions not learned from their past mistakes, no cost industry, no shipbuilding industry all because of inflexible unions and outdated working practices.
We need a modern 21st rail industry not one stuck with mid 20th century working practices.
Recent opinion poll. Only 35% of the public support the current strike action 45% are against it. |
We e not learned yet.
We ve had this situation before.
Nobody accepted and still don’t how the world is changing fast. | |
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| RMT on 12:00 - Jun 22 with 1299 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT on 08:59 - Jun 22 by onehunglow |
We e not learned yet.
We ve had this situation before.
Nobody accepted and still don’t how the world is changing fast. |
Wonder if the RMT will give its members a windfall payment of £600 from its £69 million pounds of assets. | |
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| RMT on 12:02 - Jun 22 with 1296 views | felixstowe_jack |
| RMT on 08:59 - Jun 22 by onehunglow |
We e not learned yet.
We ve had this situation before.
Nobody accepted and still don’t how the world is changing fast. |
Wonder if the RMT will give its members a windfall payment of £600 from its £69 million pounds of assets. | |
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| RMT on 15:47 - Jun 22 with 1237 views | Boundy |
| RMT on 12:02 - Jun 22 by felixstowe_jack |
Wonder if the RMT will give its members a windfall payment of £600 from its £69 million pounds of assets. |
I'm very much a union man but with the lessening of strike action and with it the lack of need for strike pay I wonder why some unions accumulate such wealth with no apparent benefit for its membership | |
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| RMT on 16:16 - Jun 22 with 1226 views | pencoedjack |
| RMT on 15:47 - Jun 22 by Boundy |
I'm very much a union man but with the lessening of strike action and with it the lack of need for strike pay I wonder why some unions accumulate such wealth with no apparent benefit for its membership |
To pay the likes of Mick Lynch 124k a year. |  | | |
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| RMT on 17:01 - Jun 22 with 1201 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 15:45 - Jun 21 by Lorax |
Y'know, these things, "Its about the on board train crew who have to deal with football hooligans,p1ss heads & chav's. The boys on the track at 3am in the middle of January in the rain , The cleaners cleaning up sh1t,sick and used druggie needles. The station staff helping old dears, wheel chair users, visually impaired people. The gateline assistants getting abuse for delays and cancellations ...it's about these folk"
A lot of that paragraph applies to a lot of jobs that don't even earn 21k. A minimum wage job on 37.5 hours is approx 18.5k per year. |
Well said.
Clearing up shite and vomit in a care home is far less well paid. A national disgrace . They don’t strike primarily as they give a crap. RMT do not. | |
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| RMT on 17:03 - Jun 22 with 1201 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 10:09 - Jun 21 by waynekerr55 |
You gotta laugh at the "bUt WeE hAv 2 pAy CoViD dEbT"
It's money from the BoE which is essentially ours as UK plc. It is in no way comparable to the WW2 debt to the Americans. But then again, given the risible standard of "journalism" in the UK do we expect anything different |
Look,send me my key board back.
You did win first place in my correspondence course though | |
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| RMT on 18:44 - Jun 22 with 1162 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 10:09 - Jun 21 by waynekerr55 |
You gotta laugh at the "bUt WeE hAv 2 pAy CoViD dEbT"
It's money from the BoE which is essentially ours as UK plc. It is in no way comparable to the WW2 debt to the Americans. But then again, given the risible standard of "journalism" in the UK do we expect anything different |
I did a double check when I read that most of the UK's debt is to itself, to the BoE. Someone will have to explain that to me.
Then I read that many countries hold other countries sovereign debt, it's a big merry go round, a financial rip off that keeps us plebs in our place. All the countries could get together and get rid of the worlds debts in a week if they wanted to but then the big and the rich would have no leverage. | | | |
| RMT on 19:42 - Jun 22 with 1135 views | BryanSwan |
| RMT on 18:44 - Jun 22 by Lorax |
I did a double check when I read that most of the UK's debt is to itself, to the BoE. Someone will have to explain that to me.
Then I read that many countries hold other countries sovereign debt, it's a big merry go round, a financial rip off that keeps us plebs in our place. All the countries could get together and get rid of the worlds debts in a week if they wanted to but then the big and the rich would have no leverage. |
Most commonly through Quantitative Easing. Gov wants to spend money to stimulate economy so issues bonds which are bought by BoE.
Creating debt and money in one go.
The debt is nothing more than numbers on a screen, much like a £10 note being no more than paper. | |
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| RMT on 20:26 - Jun 22 with 1113 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 19:42 - Jun 22 by BryanSwan |
Most commonly through Quantitative Easing. Gov wants to spend money to stimulate economy so issues bonds which are bought by BoE.
Creating debt and money in one go.
The debt is nothing more than numbers on a screen, much like a £10 note being no more than paper. |
Yeah I know all that it's just how this all goes on globally and who do we pay the money to?
If we're lending ourselves money, why do we charge ourselves interest?
It's all a scam. | | | |
| RMT on 21:44 - Jun 22 with 1091 views | BryanSwan |
| RMT on 20:26 - Jun 22 by Lorax |
Yeah I know all that it's just how this all goes on globally and who do we pay the money to?
If we're lending ourselves money, why do we charge ourselves interest?
It's all a scam. |
Yep a big one at that, every country is in debt to its own bank and to a fair number of other countries.
Unilaterally writing off that debt would be a calamity for the 1%.
Capitalism is king unfortunately. | |
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| RMT on 00:35 - Jun 23 with 1052 views | jack_lord |
| RMT on 17:01 - Jun 22 by onehunglow |
Well said.
Clearing up shite and vomit in a care home is far less well paid. A national disgrace . They don’t strike primarily as they give a crap. RMT do not. |
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here.
Many care homes are privately owned and pay the unqualified staff as little as they can. Thankfully there is a minimum wage to protect them from getting even less. Care home staff are treated appallingly by the owners and in some parts of the country they can only get Eastern European staff to work as they are the only workers who will endure the conditions.
Do you really think the care home staff don't strike because they give a crap? Maybe it is because they are looking forward to retiring when they are just over 50 years of age? |  |
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| RMT on 08:43 - Jun 23 with 995 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 00:35 - Jun 23 by jack_lord |
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here.
Many care homes are privately owned and pay the unqualified staff as little as they can. Thankfully there is a minimum wage to protect them from getting even less. Care home staff are treated appallingly by the owners and in some parts of the country they can only get Eastern European staff to work as they are the only workers who will endure the conditions.
Do you really think the care home staff don't strike because they give a crap? Maybe it is because they are looking forward to retiring when they are just over 50 years of age? |
You're right.
You're not sure. | |
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| RMT on 08:54 - Jun 23 with 979 views | BryanSwan |
| RMT on 00:35 - Jun 23 by jack_lord |
I'm not really sure what you are trying to say here.
Many care homes are privately owned and pay the unqualified staff as little as they can. Thankfully there is a minimum wage to protect them from getting even less. Care home staff are treated appallingly by the owners and in some parts of the country they can only get Eastern European staff to work as they are the only workers who will endure the conditions.
Do you really think the care home staff don't strike because they give a crap? Maybe it is because they are looking forward to retiring when they are just over 50 years of age? |
The difference is care home staff striking could lead to the deaths of their patients, that is why they won't strike as who could have that on their conscience.
Care homes and care workers need to be brought under the NHS and paid like the incredibly skilled workers they are.
However one group of workers having it worse doesn't mean RMT and their workers should not push for better wages and working conditions. | |
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| RMT on 09:06 - Jun 23 with 966 views | onehunglow |
| RMT on 08:54 - Jun 23 by BryanSwan |
The difference is care home staff striking could lead to the deaths of their patients, that is why they won't strike as who could have that on their conscience.
Care homes and care workers need to be brought under the NHS and paid like the incredibly skilled workers they are.
However one group of workers having it worse doesn't mean RMT and their workers should not push for better wages and working conditions. |
...which was my point.
My wife's mum is in a home so we know. We pay for her "care" too so I don't need any lessons from anyone as to how they operate. We get a couple of calls per week.
I would also suggest thoe who clear our refuse do a fantastic job that is actually more vital than driving a train or being a Guard and dealing with pyssheads | |
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| RMT on 09:13 - Jun 23 with 960 views | 1983 |
| RMT on 08:54 - Jun 23 by BryanSwan |
The difference is care home staff striking could lead to the deaths of their patients, that is why they won't strike as who could have that on their conscience.
Care homes and care workers need to be brought under the NHS and paid like the incredibly skilled workers they are.
However one group of workers having it worse doesn't mean RMT and their workers should not push for better wages and working conditions. |
Exactly!
What I said was taken out of context the point I was trying make was it's the average paid railway worker not the big paid train drivers...etc striking. |  |
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| RMT on 18:19 - Jun 23 with 904 views | majorraglan |
By all accounts Mick Lynch gave Robert Jenrick a bit of a roasting earlier on TV earlier today. Apparently he pointed out the rail companies are making at least £500m in profit per year and that the operating companies took some of the covid cash as profit. He also pointed out that fares go up by RPI, but wages do not. The gap gets ever larger!
Away from the interview, it appears the cost to the tax payer of running the railways has dropped and is a quarter of what it was in the 90’s, also a number of the franchise companies are subject to takeover by “investment funds”.
As with everything in life it’s a case of balancing things out and compromise, unions need to accept some things need to change and companies have to accept people need to be paid a decent wage. | | | |
| RMT on 18:37 - Jun 23 with 897 views | guthrieintherain |
| RMT on 07:59 - Jun 16 by JACKMANANDBOY |
Average rail worker is on something like £47K apparently, a paramedic £31K.
This looks like political nonsense. |
33k average drivers on 59k and they are not on strike as thats ASLEF. | |
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| RMT on 18:37 - Jun 23 with 895 views | CountyJim |
| RMT on 16:16 - Jun 22 by pencoedjack |
To pay the likes of Mick Lynch 124k a year. |
If you're in charge of that many people I'd expect he'd be on that sort of money same as business leaders the big difference is Lynch has to get his membership to elect him every say 5 years perhaps business should do the same it's very democratic | | | |
| RMT on 19:52 - Jun 23 with 854 views | Lorax |
| RMT on 18:19 - Jun 23 by majorraglan |
By all accounts Mick Lynch gave Robert Jenrick a bit of a roasting earlier on TV earlier today. Apparently he pointed out the rail companies are making at least £500m in profit per year and that the operating companies took some of the covid cash as profit. He also pointed out that fares go up by RPI, but wages do not. The gap gets ever larger!
Away from the interview, it appears the cost to the tax payer of running the railways has dropped and is a quarter of what it was in the 90’s, also a number of the franchise companies are subject to takeover by “investment funds”.
As with everything in life it’s a case of balancing things out and compromise, unions need to accept some things need to change and companies have to accept people need to be paid a decent wage. |
But major that last paragraph is common sense and we that's in short supply.
The thing about Jenrick is, about all politicos actually, they only feed us the facts that support their argument, they hide anything that shows their argument is built on sand.
500 million profit eh, where does all that go, after taxes I'd bet most of it goes in dividends and bonus payments to senior management. They probably don't even put much back into repairs, instead, when things go bad they'll run crying to the government for tax payers cash, like they did before. Just like the banks, they'll get the money too except it's probably kept quiet these days, can't have us plebs finding out the truth!
Still, despite all that, I'm not in favour of strikes, the people that suffer most are the people they want on their side. A complete overtime ban and work to rule for as long as it takes, that's the way forward in my book. There will still be track closures and some trains won't run but it'll be because of bad management not strike action. | | | |
| RMT on 20:37 - Jun 23 with 810 views | majorraglan |
| RMT on 18:37 - Jun 23 by guthrieintherain |
33k average drivers on 59k and they are not on strike as thats ASLEF. |
Is the correct answer, the £47k (or £44k as quoted by Grant Shapps in Parliament) have been bandied about by the government, but they are misleading because they include drivers who you quite rightly point out belong to a different union and not on strike. The salary figures have also been quoted by some papers during their coverage of the dispute (no doubt to mislead and fan the flames of reader discontent) but they are wrong. The wage is nearer £33k.
Posters like 1983 have first hand knowledge of the issues. When inflation is running in to double figures I don’t blame people for wanting a pay rise. | | | |
| RMT on 20:39 - Jun 23 with 808 views | Flashberryjack |
| RMT on 19:52 - Jun 23 by Lorax |
But major that last paragraph is common sense and we that's in short supply.
The thing about Jenrick is, about all politicos actually, they only feed us the facts that support their argument, they hide anything that shows their argument is built on sand.
500 million profit eh, where does all that go, after taxes I'd bet most of it goes in dividends and bonus payments to senior management. They probably don't even put much back into repairs, instead, when things go bad they'll run crying to the government for tax payers cash, like they did before. Just like the banks, they'll get the money too except it's probably kept quiet these days, can't have us plebs finding out the truth!
Still, despite all that, I'm not in favour of strikes, the people that suffer most are the people they want on their side. A complete overtime ban and work to rule for as long as it takes, that's the way forward in my book. There will still be track closures and some trains won't run but it'll be because of bad management not strike action. |
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