| Boris Wins Confidence Vote 21:16 - Jun 6 with 4810 views | SaintNick |
Got about 60% of the vote, so a win but not a decisive one, probably got about 6 months to try and turn it around |  |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 16:20 - Jun 7 with 1147 views | saint901 |
It depends for what purpose you are measuring "domicile".
In general it is extremely difficult to change domicile. You acquire domicile courtesy of your parents domicile at your birth.
The period from then to the end of formal education - i.e. pre university - is not really counted as you are considered a "junior".
Where you attend university is the start of a journey away from domicile of birth - but only if you choose to make it so.
From then on the choices you make influence domicile. Where do you live most of the time? Do you marry/live with a person from another country? Where are your financial affairs centred? Where are your children educated?
Back in the days of Empire and less work/social mobility, these questions were relatively easy. These days with an ability to live in one place and work in another, not so easy.
For Mrs Sunak in relation to the above questions, the answers might be: 1. The UK now, previously India and the USA. 2. Yes, but he was in the USA at that time. 3. India. 4. No idea if they even have children.
The question "do you intend to stay in the UK permanently" is NOT one that HMRC is permitted to ask. The question of domicile is one to be decided on facts and not intentions that may never become facts.
Appreciate that the red tops don't like the law getting in the way of a chance to bash the "privileged" but I'm happy to send you the HMRC guidance here if you have time to read the 400+ pages. |  | | |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 16:56 - Jun 7 with 1109 views | Berber |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 08:37 - Jun 7 by PatfromPoole |
Tax planning is legal.
Tax avoidance is not. |
Tax evasion is not legal. Tax avoidance uses legitimate mechanisms to reduce the overall tax burden. That is, unless the definitions that have stood for decades have changed in the past few years. Some tax avoidance schemes promoted by consultants subsequently are ruled illegal, in which case it is deemed to be tax evasions. But that only becomes apparent when they are tested by court cases. |  |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 17:21 - Jun 7 with 1102 views | DorsetIan |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 16:20 - Jun 7 by saint901 |
It depends for what purpose you are measuring "domicile".
In general it is extremely difficult to change domicile. You acquire domicile courtesy of your parents domicile at your birth.
The period from then to the end of formal education - i.e. pre university - is not really counted as you are considered a "junior".
Where you attend university is the start of a journey away from domicile of birth - but only if you choose to make it so.
From then on the choices you make influence domicile. Where do you live most of the time? Do you marry/live with a person from another country? Where are your financial affairs centred? Where are your children educated?
Back in the days of Empire and less work/social mobility, these questions were relatively easy. These days with an ability to live in one place and work in another, not so easy.
For Mrs Sunak in relation to the above questions, the answers might be: 1. The UK now, previously India and the USA. 2. Yes, but he was in the USA at that time. 3. India. 4. No idea if they even have children.
The question "do you intend to stay in the UK permanently" is NOT one that HMRC is permitted to ask. The question of domicile is one to be decided on facts and not intentions that may never become facts.
Appreciate that the red tops don't like the law getting in the way of a chance to bash the "privileged" but I'm happy to send you the HMRC guidance here if you have time to read the 400+ pages. |
Sorry 901, you’ve obviously got some knowledge of the rules of domicile but you have missed an absolutely fundamental point if you think intention is irrelevant.
Quite the contrary it’s at the very heart of any domicile claim. The ‘facts’ as you say are important but only in terms of ascertaining the intention of the individual at any given point in time.
It’s called a ‘domicile of CHOICE’ for a reason. | |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote (n/t) on 17:25 - Jun 7 with 1098 views | DorsetIan |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 16:20 - Jun 7 by saint901 |
It depends for what purpose you are measuring "domicile".
In general it is extremely difficult to change domicile. You acquire domicile courtesy of your parents domicile at your birth.
The period from then to the end of formal education - i.e. pre university - is not really counted as you are considered a "junior".
Where you attend university is the start of a journey away from domicile of birth - but only if you choose to make it so.
From then on the choices you make influence domicile. Where do you live most of the time? Do you marry/live with a person from another country? Where are your financial affairs centred? Where are your children educated?
Back in the days of Empire and less work/social mobility, these questions were relatively easy. These days with an ability to live in one place and work in another, not so easy.
For Mrs Sunak in relation to the above questions, the answers might be: 1. The UK now, previously India and the USA. 2. Yes, but he was in the USA at that time. 3. India. 4. No idea if they even have children.
The question "do you intend to stay in the UK permanently" is NOT one that HMRC is permitted to ask. The question of domicile is one to be decided on facts and not intentions that may never become facts.
Appreciate that the red tops don't like the law getting in the way of a chance to bash the "privileged" but I'm happy to send you the HMRC guidance here if you have time to read the 400+ pages. |
You don’t need to read 400 pages. This from HMRCs internal manuals is clear enough.
“RDRM22300 - Domicile: Categories of domicile: Domicile of choice
Acquisition of domicile of choice
A domicile of choice is an inference that the law makes from the facts. A domicile of choice can only be acquired where an individual is both:
resident within a territory subject to a distinctive legal system or ‘municipal law’ (refer to RDRM22310)
intends to reside there indefinitely (refer to RDRM22320)
The intention required is not an irrevocable one.
Acquisition of a domicile of choice requires the concurrence of residence and intention, although either may exist independently prior to the other.”
Mrs Sunak’s position is necessarily that she does not intend to reside in the UK indefinitely. If she did, she would be domiciled here, she would be dishonestly claiming a domicile status, and her advisers would be professionally negligent (or fraudulent). [Post edited 7 Jun 2022 17:30]
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 17:30 - Jun 7 with 1095 views | cynicalsaint |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 14:41 - Jun 7 by saint901 |
Rishi no more controls the tax system than he does the tides.
Tax policy is set by the Gov't - as a Cabinet - in line with their philosophy.
Tories have for generations encouraged the wealthy to live in, invest in, bring money into the UK. The direct tax benefit may be low as we collect little from non UK citizens but the economic theory is that these people contribute in other ways. (I have nothing more to say about that except that it's hard to type with your fingers crossed behind your back).
The Chancellor has an influence of course but does not dictate policy.
The laws are prepared by HMRC draftsmen and women who work to a brief given them by HM Treasury. Again, no personal influence.
Rishi is a UK citizen and was and is unable to exploit the non dom rules. These rules do not extend to spouses of non doms.
His wife's tax affairs are her own. She is a separate person and can benefit from UK wide tax rules by reason of her circumstances.
So he has NOT chosen to exploit the opportunity personally - because he doesn't qualify and will not take steps to close the non dom status because that is contrary to Gov't policy (not his - the Gov'ts).
His wife has been forced into giving up a perfectly legal status and personally I think that this is equivalent to a lynch mob. |
So the chancellor has no influence on tax policy? OK, although if he really does have as much control of tax policy as 'he does the tides' then arguably he's not qualified to do the job.
His wife's tax affairs are her own. OK - although as the spouse of a high profile public servant charged with helping the country navigate through a cost of living / inflation crisis you'd think he might encourage her to maybe consider the optics just a little.
Anyway, it's all semantics - he's got his nose in the trough and his personal action (inaction) seems to confirm that levelling up really is just a throwaway slogan to appeal to and appease the great unwashed. | | | |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 18:40 - Jun 7 with 1042 views | Jellybaby |
Oh yes, the charade of domestic politics, does anyone really think that any of this matters any more, when the real decisions are being made much higher up the chain of command in Bilderberg or Davos?
For what it is worth I hope the greased piglet survives as long as possible as his replacement will surely not be as chaotic and so consequently will be worse, in the vain of Trudeau or Jacinda - I could see Gove or Hunt fulfilling every WEF command with military precision... | |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 19:04 - Jun 7 with 1012 views | Bazza |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 17:30 - Jun 7 by cynicalsaint |
So the chancellor has no influence on tax policy? OK, although if he really does have as much control of tax policy as 'he does the tides' then arguably he's not qualified to do the job.
His wife's tax affairs are her own. OK - although as the spouse of a high profile public servant charged with helping the country navigate through a cost of living / inflation crisis you'd think he might encourage her to maybe consider the optics just a little.
Anyway, it's all semantics - he's got his nose in the trough and his personal action (inaction) seems to confirm that levelling up really is just a throwaway slogan to appeal to and appease the great unwashed. |
‘Nose in the trough’ Surely the Sunak trough is currently a lot smaller than when he was in the City/USA but don’t let common sense get in the way of your class war dogma. As far as his qualifications are concerned; the only cabinet requirement is for MPs to be elected. Just as well looking around the House. | | | |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 20:55 - Jun 7 with 959 views | DorsetIan |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 18:40 - Jun 7 by Jellybaby |
Oh yes, the charade of domestic politics, does anyone really think that any of this matters any more, when the real decisions are being made much higher up the chain of command in Bilderberg or Davos?
For what it is worth I hope the greased piglet survives as long as possible as his replacement will surely not be as chaotic and so consequently will be worse, in the vain of Trudeau or Jacinda - I could see Gove or Hunt fulfilling every WEF command with military precision... |
But you can't identify who's making the decisions or how the 'chain of command' works.
It's nice to see that life on fantasy island is still suiting you, Jelly. | |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 23:53 - Jun 7 with 909 views | Jellybaby |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 20:55 - Jun 7 by DorsetIan |
But you can't identify who's making the decisions or how the 'chain of command' works.
It's nice to see that life on fantasy island is still suiting you, Jelly. |
Well if you enjoy the distraction and futility of Left/right domestic politics, then you carry on Ian, but it just ain't where it's happening.
I get the impression you maybe on the "left", so maybe you will like this piece;
https://labourheartlands.com/bilderberg-2022-politicians-from-michael-gove-to-da | |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 00:17 - Jun 8 with 903 views | DorsetIan |
You don’t know where ‘it’s happening’ or what’s happening, or who’s doing it.
And I think if I wanted to rule the world through a secret elite I’d be a bit less open about it than the Bilderberg lot. | |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 06:55 - Jun 8 with 858 views | cocklebreath |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 22:29 - Jun 6 by kingslandstand1 |
Think that's about right re lack of credible alternative candidates
Better the devil you know and all that. Don't get involved in all the political arguments or whatever on here, but when dealt with the hands from either side of the house who on earth has come up with realistic alternative solutions with what Boris has had to deal with iver the last couple of years!
All everyone does is say what he's done is cr@p!
And his sword to fall on is a birthday cake he didn't even eat!
Still, it was only Brexit to deal with, some virus from China, and potential WW3! |
Exactly why he’s still in a job, people like you saying nothing better, believe Me there’s plenty better, the man’s pathetic |  |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 07:46 - Jun 8 with 838 views | saint22 |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 21:42 - Jun 6 by Heisenberg |
Johnson epitomises everything that is wrong with politics and parliament. There are currently just under 60 MPs being investigated for misconduct with the vast majority being of a sexual nature. There are 2 bye elections coming up. One because the sitting MP is now in jail for a sexual assault and the other because another MP was caught watching porn whilst at work. This just a few years after they were all caught fiddling their expenses. The Chancellor ffs has been caught avoiding paying tax.
It’s time to shut the bars and drop the public school japes with all the false belly laughter and over inflated sense of their own importance. And start with the clown at the top. |
That vote shows what a sh*tshow this country is
How can half his part be for and against him lily liveried entitled pr1cks and we are all gonna suffer for years | | | |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 17:16 - Jun 8 with 719 views | Sadoldgit |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 06:55 - Jun 8 by cocklebreath |
Exactly why he’s still in a job, people like you saying nothing better, believe Me there’s plenty better, the man’s pathetic |
The words Boris Johnson and confidence should never be used in the same sentence unless the word no appears before confidence. How anybody of sound mind can cast a vote in favour of him continuing in post is beyond comprehension |  | | |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 17:47 - Jun 8 with 711 views | 1885_SFC |
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| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 19:01 - Jun 8 with 685 views | Bazza |
| Boris Wins Confidence Vote on 17:47 - Jun 8 by 1885_SFC |
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