| Club announcement pending 20:58 - Jul 20 with 42225 views | KeithHaynes |
Sorry we can’t bring any more than this at the moment, but it’s only fair we place on record we are told the club are about to make an announcement. It would be wrong to speculate any further at this time.
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| Club announcement pending on 20:31 - Jul 26 with 1839 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 14:14 - Jul 26 by ReslovenSwan1 |
Cooper is history. Its a non issue he has gone. He did a good job using the two years of parachutes but once the parachutes stopped he did not fancy his chances. The club has a squad filled with 19-22 aged players. He did not tie down Roberts and Grimes to new contracts and after they said "no can do Gaffer" to signing their new contracts he walked.
He failed, and like Kenny Jackett realised his method would not work. With out elite ringers from his u17 team he would face fan discontent with his limited 'Cooperball' style.
The u17 ringer model only ever had a 2 year shelf life,. All those players are now in the £20m + bracket once they hit 21. Latibeaudirere is the only one working to his potential. he needs a big season. I wish him well. [Post edited 26 Jul 2021 14:15]
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maybe this is part of the reason Cooper walked
We believe that Steve will put a side together and coach and develop them so that if we don't get into the Premier League, there's going to be Premier League interest in our young players.
"At some point, there's going to be a point where the club can't say no to an offer, and if that's the case, then we've already got a player in the building that can step in to those shoes and become the next
perhaps he felt the club were happy instead to be a player factory.....rather than one to compete at the highest possible level |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 20:49 - Jul 26 with 1780 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Club announcement pending on 20:31 - Jul 26 by vetchonian |
maybe this is part of the reason Cooper walked
We believe that Steve will put a side together and coach and develop them so that if we don't get into the Premier League, there's going to be Premier League interest in our young players.
"At some point, there's going to be a point where the club can't say no to an offer, and if that's the case, then we've already got a player in the building that can step in to those shoes and become the next
perhaps he felt the club were happy instead to be a player factory.....rather than one to compete at the highest possible level |
If Steve had done his job to the best of his ability it would be a moot point - we’d be a premier league club again. Your blindness to this takes away any credibility in all your whining. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 23:25 - Jul 26 with 1629 views | AndyCole |
| Club announcement pending on 13:47 - Jul 26 by jack247 |
If you asked me why I hoped Matt Grimes would stay, ‘the fact he’s our best midfielder’ would be a reasonable answer. That’s just every day language. It’s no more misleading than saying Fulham and Palace wanted Cooper when as far as we know, they just wanted to speak to him.
There is evidence of this, it’s just circumstantial. His press conference, yes it was just after a demoralising defeat, made it perfectly clear he didn’t see his future with us.
And Max - I’m sure this will peter out soon, we’ll have a new manager to discuss |
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Give it up, for heck sake. Know when you're beaten. Your tiresome ongoing harking on about hawking and touting is now so passe.
As previously suggested, try channeling your ego into...... the way forward.
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| Club announcement pending on 08:04 - Jul 27 with 1527 views | Rock |
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-7049773/Brighton-confirm-Grah
Brighton confirm Graham Potter as new manager after agreeing £3m compensation deal with Swansea
Swansea City chairman Trevor Birch reflected on his disappointment at losing Potter just 11 months into a three-year deal.Â
'We received a request from Brighton last week to speak to Graham over the vacant managerial position at the club,' Birch told the club website.
'We had absolutely no desire to lose the services of Graham after the excellent work he had done over the course of his debut season. We therefore declined Brighton's initial request to speak to him.
'We then spoke to Graham in length over the request. These discussions included the offer of a new, improved contract and certain assurances regarding future squad strengthening. These assurances would have had to sit within our current financial budget, but we were confident that by working together we could build on the excellent progress the team made last season.
'Unfortunately, following those amicable discussions, Graham expressed a desire to challenge himself in the Premier League and we reluctantly allowed him to speak to Brighton after agreeing a compensation package. |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 08:09 - Jul 27 with 1515 views | Rock |
So, several key points here that can be used to help explain what happened during any presumed negotiations over Cooper leaving.
First, the £3m release clause in Cooper’s contract would be as a result of this deal and our hierarchy, Birch at the time, wanting to ensure that if we lost our manager again we would be justly compensated for it. It was not specific to Cooper or prohibitively high, simply part and parcel of being burned before, and I am sure there will be a similar figure inserted into who is hired next, just as many other clubs do with their managers.
Second, Brighton did in fact pay the £3m to get their man, reflecting that if a club wants a coach badly enough they will pay the fee and we are willing to negotiate. Brighton is also not one of the big boys with financial muscle to flex and is set up to run as a self-sustaining enterprise. There were cheaper or free options available, as always, and yet Brighton went ahead and forked over the cash to get the guy they wanted. Crystal Palace and Fulham were unwilling to, which shows how highly they valued Cooper. Notably, Bournemouth paid the necessary fee to get Parker and we were reportedly going to pay a small-scale fee for Eustace, as well.
Third, we did not want to lose Potter and thus denied him the chance initially to speak with Brighton, until he made it clear he wanted to go after becoming aware of Brighton’s interest and we attempted to dissuade him. At that point, as every club would do, holding a manager with a better offer on the table against his will is untenable and we negotiated a fee, which Brighton were more than happy to pay to get Potter, and we allowed him to speak to them. As Cooper spoke with both Palace and Fulham, it is obvious we were not too fussed about losing him and allowed him to speak freely. It is clear the reason he did not get either gig is both clubs had other managers higher up on their wish list, which they stated after eventually signing them, and Cooper among others was nothing more than a fallback plan.
It would make absolutely no sense to refuse to negotiate with a club over a fee for Cooper if that was what was holding up the deal, and he wanted to move. As he ended up walking away for nothing two weeks later, it is clear that is not what happened. Smoke and mirrors aside, Cooper did not want to stay, the club did not put up a fight, no “bigger” club fancied him enough to pull the trigger, he left and now we are looking for a replacement. We move on.
Regardless, he is gone thankfully and we can begin to return to the Swansea Way, hopefully our next manager can bring that about. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 08:19 - Jul 27 with 1495 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 23:25 - Jul 26 by AndyCole |
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Give it up, for heck sake. Know when you're beaten. Your tiresome ongoing harking on about hawking and touting is now so passe.
As previously suggested, try channeling your ego into...... the way forward.
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You were heralding me as the future of this board for some reason the other day. Long after the comments about hawking and touting.
As you’ve popped up though, how do you see the season panning out Andy? You’ve deflected every time I’ve asked previously, despite criticising others for not knowing.
I had high hopes for your when you first appeared on here with your no nonsense style. It would be a shame if you turned out to be an empty vessel with short man syndrome. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 13:27 - Jul 27 with 1371 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 20:49 - Jul 26 by Brynmill_Jack |
If Steve had done his job to the best of his ability it would be a moot point - we’d be a premier league club again. Your blindness to this takes away any credibility in all your whining. |
Who is whining?
I am just offering a reason as to why Cooper walked
As I always say we are all entitiled to our opinions, Potter is lauded by many and Cooper disparaged yet theis rookie manager with no senior experience took us to 6th in the league at his first attempt and then 4th and the play off final at his second.
Potter who had 7 years of managing at a senior levelbefore coming to Swansea managed only 10th place....the manager who led his team to victory over us in the final had 6 years senior managing expereince and ha d been at Brentford since 2016..serving as assistant until being made manager in 2018...yet in his first season in charge even though he had had 2 years invovlement only managed 11th place.
So how people can argue Cooper didnt do the job to the best of his abilty is a myth like how the football is described. Define Cooper ball...I have heard it described a hopeful balls t o the channels...a lot of what Potter did for James in fact....maybe if Cooper ahd gotnthe no9 he was after we might well be looking forward to a season in the PL... | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:40 - Jul 27 with 1345 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Club announcement pending on 13:27 - Jul 27 by vetchonian |
Who is whining?
I am just offering a reason as to why Cooper walked
As I always say we are all entitiled to our opinions, Potter is lauded by many and Cooper disparaged yet theis rookie manager with no senior experience took us to 6th in the league at his first attempt and then 4th and the play off final at his second.
Potter who had 7 years of managing at a senior levelbefore coming to Swansea managed only 10th place....the manager who led his team to victory over us in the final had 6 years senior managing expereince and ha d been at Brentford since 2016..serving as assistant until being made manager in 2018...yet in his first season in charge even though he had had 2 years invovlement only managed 11th place.
So how people can argue Cooper didnt do the job to the best of his abilty is a myth like how the football is described. Define Cooper ball...I have heard it described a hopeful balls t o the channels...a lot of what Potter did for James in fact....maybe if Cooper ahd gotnthe no9 he was after we might well be looking forward to a season in the PL... |
Passing backwards and sideways, minimum attacking intent, miraculously taking the lead sitting back then losing it? This brilliant rookie decided to pick a passenger during the play offs when he should have sent him back to Villa. The most lackluster and negative play off final team performances EVER. Isn’t that enough??? | |
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| Club announcement pending on 13:50 - Jul 27 with 1322 views | JJJack |
| Club announcement pending on 08:09 - Jul 27 by Rock |
So, several key points here that can be used to help explain what happened during any presumed negotiations over Cooper leaving.
First, the £3m release clause in Cooper’s contract would be as a result of this deal and our hierarchy, Birch at the time, wanting to ensure that if we lost our manager again we would be justly compensated for it. It was not specific to Cooper or prohibitively high, simply part and parcel of being burned before, and I am sure there will be a similar figure inserted into who is hired next, just as many other clubs do with their managers.
Second, Brighton did in fact pay the £3m to get their man, reflecting that if a club wants a coach badly enough they will pay the fee and we are willing to negotiate. Brighton is also not one of the big boys with financial muscle to flex and is set up to run as a self-sustaining enterprise. There were cheaper or free options available, as always, and yet Brighton went ahead and forked over the cash to get the guy they wanted. Crystal Palace and Fulham were unwilling to, which shows how highly they valued Cooper. Notably, Bournemouth paid the necessary fee to get Parker and we were reportedly going to pay a small-scale fee for Eustace, as well.
Third, we did not want to lose Potter and thus denied him the chance initially to speak with Brighton, until he made it clear he wanted to go after becoming aware of Brighton’s interest and we attempted to dissuade him. At that point, as every club would do, holding a manager with a better offer on the table against his will is untenable and we negotiated a fee, which Brighton were more than happy to pay to get Potter, and we allowed him to speak to them. As Cooper spoke with both Palace and Fulham, it is obvious we were not too fussed about losing him and allowed him to speak freely. It is clear the reason he did not get either gig is both clubs had other managers higher up on their wish list, which they stated after eventually signing them, and Cooper among others was nothing more than a fallback plan.
It would make absolutely no sense to refuse to negotiate with a club over a fee for Cooper if that was what was holding up the deal, and he wanted to move. As he ended up walking away for nothing two weeks later, it is clear that is not what happened. Smoke and mirrors aside, Cooper did not want to stay, the club did not put up a fight, no “bigger” club fancied him enough to pull the trigger, he left and now we are looking for a replacement. We move on.
Regardless, he is gone thankfully and we can begin to return to the Swansea Way, hopefully our next manager can bring that about. |
Good post but I have a question on the compo which is baffling me:
How did we get £3m compo for Potter given I assume, his relatively low wages?
And assuming Cooper was on even less money and only had 1 year left on his contract, surely we would not have had a chance of getting £3m compo for him?! If it went to tribunal and he was only on £3.5k/wk with a year left then the true figure would have been well under a million, no? |  | | |
| Club announcement pending on 14:56 - Jul 27 with 1250 views | jasper_T |
| Club announcement pending on 13:50 - Jul 27 by JJJack |
Good post but I have a question on the compo which is baffling me:
How did we get £3m compo for Potter given I assume, his relatively low wages?
And assuming Cooper was on even less money and only had 1 year left on his contract, surely we would not have had a chance of getting £3m compo for him?! If it went to tribunal and he was only on £3.5k/wk with a year left then the true figure would have been well under a million, no? |
Potter had a release clause in his contract and Brighton were happy to pay it. Next to nothing to them, and meant Swansea City had no influence on any negotiations from that point. Why go to a tribunal? | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 15:05 - Jul 27 with 1219 views | vetchonian |
| Club announcement pending on 13:40 - Jul 27 by Brynmill_Jack |
Passing backwards and sideways, minimum attacking intent, miraculously taking the lead sitting back then losing it? This brilliant rookie decided to pick a passenger during the play offs when he should have sent him back to Villa. The most lackluster and negative play off final team performances EVER. Isn’t that enough??? |
we used to pass backwards and sideways under Brendan, there is /was a guy sat near me in the Liberty who would forever be shouting forward....when we would be aiming to keep possesion by doing so....
I can post examples of us still attacking even though we were 1-0 up....Coventry at hoome for example,and re Houihane Cooper was on a loser what ever he did with him..
As I say its all about opinion....Cooper wasnt liked as he looked gormless did not wave his arms about and shout on the touchline ( niether did you hero Laudrup by the way...he got critisced for often being sat down arms folded!) as he had a different approach but he is now history the king is dead long live the king. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 20:57 - Jul 27 with 1074 views | AndyCole |
| Club announcement pending on 08:19 - Jul 27 by jack247 |
You were heralding me as the future of this board for some reason the other day. Long after the comments about hawking and touting.
As you’ve popped up though, how do you see the season panning out Andy? You’ve deflected every time I’ve asked previously, despite criticising others for not knowing.
I had high hopes for your when you first appeared on here with your no nonsense style. It would be a shame if you turned out to be an empty vessel with short man syndrome. |
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You seem to be waning, 247.
It's fresh young blood that's needed to inspire the luddites. Think about it.
What you need to focus on is how we build upon Cooper's foundations; how we continue to optimise the way in which we leverage our assets; how we continue to evolve our innovative, dynamic frontline to build upon our dominant defensive prowess.
It really ain't rocket science and far far healthier than harking back about past managers hawking and touting. Young guns like yourself ought to be focused on how we progress instead of always looking backwards.
Get yourself some proper perspective. Think about it. And then post.
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| Club announcement pending on 21:19 - Jul 27 with 1052 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 20:57 - Jul 27 by AndyCole |
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You seem to be waning, 247.
It's fresh young blood that's needed to inspire the luddites. Think about it.
What you need to focus on is how we build upon Cooper's foundations; how we continue to optimise the way in which we leverage our assets; how we continue to evolve our innovative, dynamic frontline to build upon our dominant defensive prowess.
It really ain't rocket science and far far healthier than harking back about past managers hawking and touting. Young guns like yourself ought to be focused on how we progress instead of always looking backwards.
Get yourself some proper perspective. Think about it. And then post.
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He wasn’t a past manager when I posted about touting and hawking.
You had a decent post on the Russell Martin thread. This one is back to a couple of paragraphs without any real substance.
You certainly have potential, just try to dial the verbosity down a bit. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 21:22 - Jul 27 with 1034 views | ReslovenSwan1 |
| Club announcement pending on 20:57 - Jul 27 by AndyCole |
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You seem to be waning, 247.
It's fresh young blood that's needed to inspire the luddites. Think about it.
What you need to focus on is how we build upon Cooper's foundations; how we continue to optimise the way in which we leverage our assets; how we continue to evolve our innovative, dynamic frontline to build upon our dominant defensive prowess.
It really ain't rocket science and far far healthier than harking back about past managers hawking and touting. Young guns like yourself ought to be focused on how we progress instead of always looking backwards.
Get yourself some proper perspective. Think about it. And then post.
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It is true to say even allowing for likely departures the Swansea backline looks very solid,. Roberts needs to sign a new deal. The club could benefit from Cooper's work (including the appointment of Margetson) just as they did after the departure of Paulo Sousa.
I want to see more hard running and Ayew fro all his skills did not stretch defenders and was not quick. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 21:46 - Jul 27 with 984 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 21:22 - Jul 27 by ReslovenSwan1 |
It is true to say even allowing for likely departures the Swansea backline looks very solid,. Roberts needs to sign a new deal. The club could benefit from Cooper's work (including the appointment of Margetson) just as they did after the departure of Paulo Sousa.
I want to see more hard running and Ayew fro all his skills did not stretch defenders and was not quick. |
Ayew was a cut above most championship players. Ok, he wasn’t super quick, but he did attract defenders and was often double marked. We did rely on him to spark something out of nothing a bit too much. Without a player we relied so heavily on, there’s a good chance we’ll try to be more creative, that may well have been the case even had Cooper stayed.
I have mentioned the potential parallels between Sousa and Cooper a couple of times. Whoever comes in will at least have a reasonably solid defence to build on, even without Guehi and Woodman. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 21:50 - Jul 27 with 977 views | AndyCole |
| Club announcement pending on 21:19 - Jul 27 by jack247 |
He wasn’t a past manager when I posted about touting and hawking.
You had a decent post on the Russell Martin thread. This one is back to a couple of paragraphs without any real substance.
You certainly have potential, just try to dial the verbosity down a bit. |
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Have a bash at taking a long close look at yourself before pointing fingers elsewhere. Earn the right to even begin giving advice to others. Your immaturity stands out., more than anything. Think, before Sending.
You must try harder to think deeper, wider and more forward looking.......
And btw - most decent posters put this thread to bed a few days ago. Your immaturity and ego just had to keep digging. ....and losing. Live, and learn.
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| Club announcement pending on 23:36 - Jul 27 with 898 views | DJack |
Haven't you worked out who he is yet? |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 23:52 - Jul 27 with 871 views | Brynmill_Jack |
| Club announcement pending on 23:36 - Jul 27 by DJack |
Haven't you worked out who he is yet? |
Well he could be Dwight but I don’t think he is. Definitely not Dimi unless his split personality has split into 3. I don’t care really - he’s got nothing to offer on here apart from an inappropriate love for Cooper. | |
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| Club announcement pending on 00:20 - Jul 28 with 853 views | ItchySphincter |
| Club announcement pending on 23:36 - Jul 27 by DJack |
Haven't you worked out who he is yet? |
I could’ve sworn it was a she, judging by attitude and style. There are one or two who have a default position with regards to me and this poster appears to be one of them, plus a similar superiority complex.
No offence intended. |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 00:43 - Jul 28 with 841 views | Dr_Parnassus |
So have we decided that there was nothing different about Cooper to the rest of the managers that have left then, and the description of him making it generally known he was openly hawking and touting indeed don’t seem to be accurate? |  |
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| Club announcement pending on 00:45 - Jul 28 with 840 views | DJack |
There was a crossover period when he started using the "Andy Cole" name but his account is still live, just not used in the second half of the year (yet). | |
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| Club announcement pending on 00:57 - Jul 28 with 835 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 00:45 - Jul 28 by DJack |
There was a crossover period when he started using the "Andy Cole" name but his account is still live, just not used in the second half of the year (yet). |
Cool story bro | |
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| Club announcement pending on 06:16 - Jul 28 with 793 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 21:50 - Jul 27 by AndyCole |
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Have a bash at taking a long close look at yourself before pointing fingers elsewhere. Earn the right to even begin giving advice to others. Your immaturity stands out., more than anything. Think, before Sending.
You must try harder to think deeper, wider and more forward looking.......
And btw - most decent posters put this thread to bed a few days ago. Your immaturity and ego just had to keep digging. ....and losing. Live, and learn.
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The hypocrisy in this post is sadly unsurprising.
I don’t speak to any other posters like this, you however, are fantastic at knocking others, but seemingly incapable of contributing yourself. Three paragraphs of pompous chest beating may fool one or two gullible posters, but that’s about it.
Say something original and people will take yiu seriously. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 06:25 - Jul 28 with 789 views | jack247 |
| Club announcement pending on 00:43 - Jul 28 by Dr_Parnassus |
So have we decided that there was nothing different about Cooper to the rest of the managers that have left then, and the description of him making it generally known he was openly hawking and touting indeed don’t seem to be accurate? |
I certainly haven’t, I’d just taken other peoples advice and let it die.
I can’t prove he was, you can’t prove he wasn’t. You were right I projected my opinion as fact, I’m not concerned about that, multiple people will do it today.
I wasn’t really looking to reactivate this debate to be honest. It went on long enough and neither of us will change the others opinion. | | | |
| Club announcement pending on 06:51 - Jul 28 with 1008 views | Dr_Parnassus |
| Club announcement pending on 06:25 - Jul 28 by jack247 |
I certainly haven’t, I’d just taken other peoples advice and let it die.
I can’t prove he was, you can’t prove he wasn’t. You were right I projected my opinion as fact, I’m not concerned about that, multiple people will do it today.
I wasn’t really looking to reactivate this debate to be honest. It went on long enough and neither of us will change the others opinion. |
Again, projecting opinion as fact is one thing, projecting an action as fact is something completely different. That is not something I’ve seen without accompanying some form of proof. It’s a lot different to the example you gave.
The fact there is no evidence being put forward that he was “openly and generally making it known” something, means the burden of proof would be on someone accusing him of that, because you can’t provide proof something didn’t happen. If that was the standard then everyone would be guilty of everything.
To be clear, mine isn’t an opinion.
My stance is simple, there is absolutely nothing to suggest the above is the case and is no different to any of the other managers that have spoken to other clubs. So I was looking as to what was different in this case to see if there was any validation in the accusations, but not got anything of substance yet and it seems I am unlikely to at this stage.
If we assume Cooper was touting himself out simply because he spoke to Palace then we have to accuse Potter of touting himself out too… except nobody seems to have.
This is because there is a very notable insatiably hungry anti-Cooper narrative that needs to be fed constantly.
If people just said they didn’t take to him and see things in a negative light when it comes to him then that’s just that and case closed. But when people are trying to claim impartiality while still maintaining what seems like such a lopsided accusation, I just can’t get my head around it. | |
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