| Hama and Israel -again 09:39 - May 12 with 7291 views | onehunglow |
The story goes on and on.
Both harking back to Biblical times claiming lands as their own bequeathed to them by a God that has overseen billions killed in his name .
Both intransigent ,both unrelenting,both unforgiving, both cause celebres for countries that should have nothing to do with either side.
Where is your loving God?
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| Hama and Israel -again on 20:49 - May 12 with 1343 views | AguycalledJack |
Can somebody tell me who displaced who first? Did the Jews displace the Arabs or vice versa? I remember reading an article about a french Jewish writer who was anti Israel and anti Zionist (Can’t remember his name) who when researching a book had his anti Israel views challenged by his research and ended up writing a book about the Arab countries displacing and persecuting 100s of thousands of Jews who had always resided in Arab states. That isn’t something you hear or read About very often. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 20:50 - May 12 with 1337 views | KeithHaynes |
| Hama and Israel -again on 20:49 - May 12 by AguycalledJack |
Can somebody tell me who displaced who first? Did the Jews displace the Arabs or vice versa? I remember reading an article about a french Jewish writer who was anti Israel and anti Zionist (Can’t remember his name) who when researching a book had his anti Israel views challenged by his research and ended up writing a book about the Arab countries displacing and persecuting 100s of thousands of Jews who had always resided in Arab states. That isn’t something you hear or read About very often. |
It all sort of got iffy in 1946. |  |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 20:52 - May 12 with 1334 views | onehunglow |
| Hama and Israel -again on 20:50 - May 12 by KeithHaynes |
It all sort of got iffy in 1946. |
Maybe we should not have promised them a homeland 30 years earlier. | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 21:06 - May 12 with 1311 views | Dr_Winston |
The Jews have inhabited the area for thousands of years. Palestine has existed as a concept for about the same length of time. Islam has existed for about 1300 years.
Basically it's a mess full of religious shitkickers that nobody should really care about. |  |
| Pain or damage don't end the world. Or despair, or f*cking beatings. The world ends when you're dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man... and give some back. |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 22:36 - May 12 with 1248 views | controversial_jack |
| Hama and Israel -again on 16:19 - May 12 by Groo |
Who was it that forced people out of their homes then, who's expanding settlements displacing the people who lived there for a 1000 years, don't tell me, its the Chinese isn't it. |
Spot on! These Israeli settlers are non nice families looking for some nice farmland to nurture, they are state sponsored.
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| Hama and Israel -again on 23:12 - May 12 with 1221 views | A_Fans_Dad |
| Hama and Israel -again on 16:19 - May 12 by Groo |
Who was it that forced people out of their homes then, who's expanding settlements displacing the people who lived there for a 1000 years, don't tell me, its the Chinese isn't it. |
Question how did Isreal come about.
a. The jews invaded the area and conquered the people, casting them from their homes and claiming the land for themselves. Your version.
b. It was granted to the Jewish people after the second world war. Based on the guilt of the rest of the world for allowing the Germans to slaughter 6 million of them. It was granted to them as a "land of their own" where they would no longer be persecuted. My version.
Just a shame they never did get the Arabs to agree to it.
As for Palestine, that area has been invaded and contolled by about a dozen different ethnic groups in the last 5,000 years. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 00:22 - May 13 with 1180 views | Groo |
and Jews lived there the entire time.
The issue is not that the State of Israel was created, its the fact they continue to expand, taking more and more land, displacing the people living there.
How about they stop.
I should add, it was promised after WWI, Jewish people were migrating in numbers since the end of the 19C, WWII was a massive influx but they had started before that. [Post edited 13 May 2021 0:30]
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| Hama and Israel -again on 07:21 - May 13 with 1121 views | Professor |
| Hama and Israel -again on 23:12 - May 12 by A_Fans_Dad |
Question how did Isreal come about.
a. The jews invaded the area and conquered the people, casting them from their homes and claiming the land for themselves. Your version.
b. It was granted to the Jewish people after the second world war. Based on the guilt of the rest of the world for allowing the Germans to slaughter 6 million of them. It was granted to them as a "land of their own" where they would no longer be persecuted. My version.
Just a shame they never did get the Arabs to agree to it.
As for Palestine, that area has been invaded and contolled by about a dozen different ethnic groups in the last 5,000 years. |
https://www.nam.ac.uk/explore/conflict-Palestine
Not so rosy. My grandfather was an MP there. OHL knows my views on Israel having worked there. Broadly he and Winston are right.
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| Hama and Israel -again on 08:31 - May 13 with 1104 views | onehunglow |
Thanks for popping in Paul | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 08:42 - May 13 with 1101 views | Lohengrin |
I used to know a lot of the old Palestine hands, Prof. They were mostly Burma Star members too, my grandfather and two of his brothers among them.
Your grandfather the MP, was he from Neath? It wasn’t Glan by any chance, was it? |  |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 08:49 - May 13 with 1098 views | onehunglow |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:42 - May 13 by Lohengrin |
I used to know a lot of the old Palestine hands, Prof. They were mostly Burma Star members too, my grandfather and two of his brothers among them.
Your grandfather the MP, was he from Neath? It wasn’t Glan by any chance, was it? |
Does he mean MP in Israel or a jewish one here.
Impressive list of Jews in British politics | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 08:56 - May 13 with 1093 views | Lohengrin |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:49 - May 13 by onehunglow |
Does he mean MP in Israel or a jewish one here.
Impressive list of Jews in British politics |
MP as in Military Policeman, a red cap. | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 08:57 - May 13 with 1092 views | Professor |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:49 - May 13 by onehunglow |
Does he mean MP in Israel or a jewish one here.
Impressive list of Jews in British politics |
Military Policeman | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:59 - May 13 with 1090 views | onehunglow |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:57 - May 13 by Professor |
Military Policeman |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 10:08 - May 13 with 1064 views | ShiningPorth |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:42 - May 13 by Lohengrin |
I used to know a lot of the old Palestine hands, Prof. They were mostly Burma Star members too, my grandfather and two of his brothers among them.
Your grandfather the MP, was he from Neath? It wasn’t Glan by any chance, was it? |
He was from Spalding in Lincolnshire Loh-Joined in 1936 and primarily in Sherwood Foresters. Was in the BEF in 1940 but was one of the less fortunate ones cut off and marched the length of the Loire and down to La Rochelle where he got out in June (I think). The Iceland garrison 1941-1943 before back for D-Day. Wounded (like Forrest Gump) later in 1944 by a shot to the buttocks in the Netherlands. Recuperation in South Wales where he met my grandmother. As an experienced NCO became a Red Cap late '45 and did 18 months in Palestine. Discharged in early 1947 before the worst of the revolution/terrorism (pick according to world view). Became a Clerk of Works for Civil Engineering firms. Lost his leg in 1963 during construction of what was the Port Talbot bypass. moved to Neath as more work in 1960s and 70s with big projects.
Passed away in 1997-was a big influence on my life. Proudly have his medals and books. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:10 - May 13 with 1062 views | ShiningPorth |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:08 - May 13 by ShiningPorth |
He was from Spalding in Lincolnshire Loh-Joined in 1936 and primarily in Sherwood Foresters. Was in the BEF in 1940 but was one of the less fortunate ones cut off and marched the length of the Loire and down to La Rochelle where he got out in June (I think). The Iceland garrison 1941-1943 before back for D-Day. Wounded (like Forrest Gump) later in 1944 by a shot to the buttocks in the Netherlands. Recuperation in South Wales where he met my grandmother. As an experienced NCO became a Red Cap late '45 and did 18 months in Palestine. Discharged in early 1947 before the worst of the revolution/terrorism (pick according to world view). Became a Clerk of Works for Civil Engineering firms. Lost his leg in 1963 during construction of what was the Port Talbot bypass. moved to Neath as more work in 1960s and 70s with big projects.
Passed away in 1997-was a big influence on my life. Proudly have his medals and books. |
Decided to change user names-going for Peruvian terrorists as more bizarre. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:14 - May 13 with 1054 views | KeithHaynes |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:31 - May 13 by onehunglow |
Thanks for popping in Paul |
One of the better posters here, I’m glad he hasn’t totally forgot us. | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 10:16 - May 13 with 1052 views | ShiningPorth |
| Hama and Israel -again on 08:49 - May 13 by onehunglow |
Does he mean MP in Israel or a jewish one here.
Impressive list of Jews in British politics |
Yes. Very much at the forefront of left-wing politics in particular. Including the Millibands of course.
Antisemitism is not really of the left, it's of a particular kind of world view-very much of the Corbynista territory. Lohengrin's post yesterday is a good illustration of the close relationship between Judaism and Labour. Of course Hitler also linked Judaism to communism as part of his propaganda. Certainly CPGB has had a long jewish tradition. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:30 - May 13 with 1036 views | controversial_jack |
| Hama and Israel -again on 20:49 - May 12 by AguycalledJack |
Can somebody tell me who displaced who first? Did the Jews displace the Arabs or vice versa? I remember reading an article about a french Jewish writer who was anti Israel and anti Zionist (Can’t remember his name) who when researching a book had his anti Israel views challenged by his research and ended up writing a book about the Arab countries displacing and persecuting 100s of thousands of Jews who had always resided in Arab states. That isn’t something you hear or read About very often. |
After the war, there was a dilemna. Britain wanted the jews to assimilate back into Europe, but the USA wanted them to go to Israel. Truman was the first statesman to recognise the state of Israel.This is where we see the beginnings of the American influence and support. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 11:29 - May 13 with 1016 views | Lohengrin |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:08 - May 13 by ShiningPorth |
He was from Spalding in Lincolnshire Loh-Joined in 1936 and primarily in Sherwood Foresters. Was in the BEF in 1940 but was one of the less fortunate ones cut off and marched the length of the Loire and down to La Rochelle where he got out in June (I think). The Iceland garrison 1941-1943 before back for D-Day. Wounded (like Forrest Gump) later in 1944 by a shot to the buttocks in the Netherlands. Recuperation in South Wales where he met my grandmother. As an experienced NCO became a Red Cap late '45 and did 18 months in Palestine. Discharged in early 1947 before the worst of the revolution/terrorism (pick according to world view). Became a Clerk of Works for Civil Engineering firms. Lost his leg in 1963 during construction of what was the Port Talbot bypass. moved to Neath as more work in 1960s and 70s with big projects.
Passed away in 1997-was a big influence on my life. Proudly have his medals and books. |
ThAt would be a biography well worth reading. He packed a lot in. | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 11:55 - May 13 with 1003 views | onehunglow |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:16 - May 13 by ShiningPorth |
Yes. Very much at the forefront of left-wing politics in particular. Including the Millibands of course.
Antisemitism is not really of the left, it's of a particular kind of world view-very much of the Corbynista territory. Lohengrin's post yesterday is a good illustration of the close relationship between Judaism and Labour. Of course Hitler also linked Judaism to communism as part of his propaganda. Certainly CPGB has had a long jewish tradition. |
Great post thanks | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 11:58 - May 13 with 1001 views | onehunglow |
| Hama and Israel -again on 10:14 - May 13 by KeithHaynes |
One of the better posters here, I’m glad he hasn’t totally forgot us. |
Agreed.
He's a class act and a really nice guy.
He'd be first in the guest list of our first dinner party is our modest redesigned home.
I don't care if he agrees or disagrees with me or not as he does it with a little class. | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 12:02 - May 13 with 1001 views | ShiningPorth |
| Hama and Israel -again on 11:29 - May 13 by Lohengrin |
ThAt would be a biography well worth reading. He packed a lot in. |
Apart from the two years in Iceland-most miserable time eating whale meat.
Very quiet man. I think the accident haunted him for years afterwards. He was talking to a young lad working on the site-a crane jib collapsed killing the boy and trapping my grandfather's leg. He was talking to the lad, saying they would be OK etc., but he was already gone.. | | | |
| Hama and Israel -again on 12:12 - May 13 with 992 views | onehunglow |
| Hama and Israel -again on 12:02 - May 13 by ShiningPorth |
Apart from the two years in Iceland-most miserable time eating whale meat.
Very quiet man. I think the accident haunted him for years afterwards. He was talking to a young lad working on the site-a crane jib collapsed killing the boy and trapping my grandfather's leg. He was talking to the lad, saying they would be OK etc., but he was already gone.. |
Ive no idea where you've come from nor who you are but you're a welcome addition to this fine site | |
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| Hama and Israel -again on 13:07 - May 13 with 966 views | KeithHaynes |
| Hama and Israel -again on 09:47 - May 12 by Catullus |
The news this morning says they are close to descending into all out war. That won't end well and I can see other Islamic countries getting involved, whether that's to try and restore peace or to attack Israel I don't know.
If there is a god involved in this it's more likely to be called Loki! |
It will be interesting to see where the newly founded ‘friendship’ allegedly organised by the USA leaves Bahrain and the UAE in all this. Good bases to launch attacks on other Islamic countries ?
Let’s be honest it’s happened before. | |
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