| People failing to turn up for vaccine. 20:49 - Mar 29 with 8380 views | Flashberryjack |
More than a quarter of those scheduled to have the Covid vaccine across Swansea Bay on Monday failed to turn up.
In one day alone, out of 1,750 appointments, 492 did not attend their appointment at the mass vaccination centres.
I think that's absolutely scandalous, at least pick the phone up and cancel.
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| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:04 - Mar 30 with 1078 views | hobo |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 10:14 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
This is why I'd suggest making not being vaccinated very difficult.
More people, as we move down through the age groups, will refuse the vaccine or not turn up. They'd be queuing down Fabian Way if they had to prove immunity to be allowed out of lockdown. Anyone who doesn't turn up for an appointment should be bumped down the list until everyone else has been offered one in August.
I think the cancellation lists should be more widely used too, I know when I got my second vaccine 60 doses were spare the evening before and they were offered to local police stations. We should be doing similar for teachers, firemen, RNLI etc. Eventually these could be opened up to all adults. Nothing should be wasted. [Post edited 30 Mar 2021 10:54]
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Again you're advocating forced vaccination, which for a pretty mild illness is ridiculous. We need to get away from this extreme far right thinking
The solution is simple, and someone mentioned it above. Send out appointments, which the person then has to accept, within say 7 days, to confirm the appt. Those not interested can simply ignore it and the appointment will go to someone else [Post edited 30 Mar 2021 11:07]
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| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:49 - Mar 30 with 1035 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:04 - Mar 30 by hobo |
Again you're advocating forced vaccination, which for a pretty mild illness is ridiculous. We need to get away from this extreme far right thinking
The solution is simple, and someone mentioned it above. Send out appointments, which the person then has to accept, within say 7 days, to confirm the appt. Those not interested can simply ignore it and the appointment will go to someone else [Post edited 30 Mar 2021 11:07]
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An infection fatality rate of between 0.8-3% (best estimate of 1.2%) in a virus that is transmissible enough to infect perhaps 90% of the population is hardly mild. That's about 600,000 UK deaths. As context for numbskulls that is about 10 times more lethal than seasonal influenza and perhaps three times as transmissible -more for newer variants.
And it's not just an individual protection. All the vaccines are gathering strong evidence of reducing transmission-which means high coverage protects a population including those who cannot be vaccinated. If close to 30% eligible are not vaccinated then that protection will be minimal. |  | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:52 - Mar 30 with 1032 views | Scotia |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:04 - Mar 30 by hobo |
Again you're advocating forced vaccination, which for a pretty mild illness is ridiculous. We need to get away from this extreme far right thinking
The solution is simple, and someone mentioned it above. Send out appointments, which the person then has to accept, within say 7 days, to confirm the appt. Those not interested can simply ignore it and the appointment will go to someone else [Post edited 30 Mar 2021 11:07]
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Covid is not a pretty mild illness. For some it is, for others it is life ending or life limiting. Recently 10% of those in intensive care were under the age of 40 with no underlying health conditions. Everyone is responsible for controlling it not just those who may be more likely to suffer severe illness from it, by far the safest and most sustainable way to do this is through vaccination.
I wouldn't necessarily advocate forced vaccination but allow those who have been vaccinated freedom from restrictions first. As is happening in the US and Israel.
By far the most efficient way of arranging a vaccine under these circumstances is to send an appointment rather than invite people to arrange them. So you'd advocate every adult in the UK arranging an appointment rather than having those appointments arranged for them to be cancelled in the minority of cases it wasn't required? That would place a huge admin burden on the NHS who could be better off arranging appointments for previously cancelled procedures. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:57 - Mar 30 with 1024 views | controversial_jack |
The virus will become immune to these vaccines within a year or so, so it will have to be constant vaccinating unless it dies off. Also, by not vaccinating the rest of the world not just the richer countries then this virus will replicate and mutate. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:57 - Mar 30 with 1024 views | hobo |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:52 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
Covid is not a pretty mild illness. For some it is, for others it is life ending or life limiting. Recently 10% of those in intensive care were under the age of 40 with no underlying health conditions. Everyone is responsible for controlling it not just those who may be more likely to suffer severe illness from it, by far the safest and most sustainable way to do this is through vaccination.
I wouldn't necessarily advocate forced vaccination but allow those who have been vaccinated freedom from restrictions first. As is happening in the US and Israel.
By far the most efficient way of arranging a vaccine under these circumstances is to send an appointment rather than invite people to arrange them. So you'd advocate every adult in the UK arranging an appointment rather than having those appointments arranged for them to be cancelled in the minority of cases it wasn't required? That would place a huge admin burden on the NHS who could be better off arranging appointments for previously cancelled procedures. |
The acceptance would literally be the click of an 'accept' button or replying 'confirm' to an SMS message. It can easily be automated so wouldn't be an additional admin burden and would ensure vaccine stocks are only given to those who worry about the illness | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:00 - Mar 30 with 1019 views | Scotia |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:57 - Mar 30 by controversial_jack |
The virus will become immune to these vaccines within a year or so, so it will have to be constant vaccinating unless it dies off. Also, by not vaccinating the rest of the world not just the richer countries then this virus will replicate and mutate. |
We will. It's great that the vaccines can be so quickly adapted. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:00 - Mar 30 with 1018 views | hobo |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:49 - Mar 30 by Professor |
An infection fatality rate of between 0.8-3% (best estimate of 1.2%) in a virus that is transmissible enough to infect perhaps 90% of the population is hardly mild. That's about 600,000 UK deaths. As context for numbskulls that is about 10 times more lethal than seasonal influenza and perhaps three times as transmissible -more for newer variants.
And it's not just an individual protection. All the vaccines are gathering strong evidence of reducing transmission-which means high coverage protects a population including those who cannot be vaccinated. If close to 30% eligible are not vaccinated then that protection will be minimal. |
Fatality rate is easily 0.1% or lower given the inaccurate reporting of deaths up to 28 days after a positive test figures. Many of those who've had it wouldn't have been tested either as their symptoms would be so minor | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:04 - Mar 30 with 1016 views | controversial_jack |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:00 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
We will. It's great that the vaccines can be so quickly adapted. |
In the labs yes, but how does that equate to mass production and distribution? What will happen to the excesses vaccines that we have? I don't think they can just be tipped into the blender and a quick running sample and here we go. | | | |
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| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:06 - Mar 30 with 1012 views | Scotia |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:04 - Mar 30 by controversial_jack |
In the labs yes, but how does that equate to mass production and distribution? What will happen to the excesses vaccines that we have? I don't think they can just be tipped into the blender and a quick running sample and here we go. |
They'll be adapted to the variant's around at that time.
Right now the variants only have a couple of similar mutations. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:09 - Mar 30 with 1010 views | Scotia |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 11:57 - Mar 30 by hobo |
The acceptance would literally be the click of an 'accept' button or replying 'confirm' to an SMS message. It can easily be automated so wouldn't be an additional admin burden and would ensure vaccine stocks are only given to those who worry about the illness |
How many people have up to date mobile numbers registered with the NHS? Or come to that a mobile phone at all?
Everyone has an address, even if they use a drop in centre. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:09 - Mar 30 with 1009 views | Scotia |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:00 - Mar 30 by hobo |
Fatality rate is easily 0.1% or lower given the inaccurate reporting of deaths up to 28 days after a positive test figures. Many of those who've had it wouldn't have been tested either as their symptoms would be so minor |
Any proof of that? | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:13 - Mar 30 with 1006 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:00 - Mar 30 by hobo |
Fatality rate is easily 0.1% or lower given the inaccurate reporting of deaths up to 28 days after a positive test figures. Many of those who've had it wouldn't have been tested either as their symptoms would be so minor |
That's complete BS. You are following the whole false narrative around testing which is completely fake and spread by the liars and charlatans with smiley face followers on Facebook and Twitter. The Imperial College Current Estimate for the UK is 1.15% mortality rate. John Hopkins in the US puts this higher. ONS suggesting that there are over 110, 000 excess deaths should be enough. I'll just leave this here. With the caveat I have seen worse pathology images in departmental meetings.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41379-020-00661-1 | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:15 - Mar 30 with 998 views | controversial_jack |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:00 - Mar 30 by hobo |
Fatality rate is easily 0.1% or lower given the inaccurate reporting of deaths up to 28 days after a positive test figures. Many of those who've had it wouldn't have been tested either as their symptoms would be so minor |
It often takes longer than 28 for deaths to occur, and many patients who have been discharged from hospital return with the symptoms, despite not being still positive and unfortunately many die. If anything it's under reported.
Worldwide mortality rate is about 3% , with seasonal flu it's 0.1%, so it's far far worse. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:19 - Mar 30 with 988 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:09 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
Any proof of that? |
It's a denier lie.
There are various rates published. The lowest is 0.8%. The mean for developed countries is around 1.2%. There are anomalies like Mexico where death rates are much higher. To an extent it can be raised or lowered dependent on case/infection definitions.
John Hopkins is a good collated source:
https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/data/mortality
I would suggest their definition is on the higher side (UK at 2.9% case fatality). | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:21 - Mar 30 with 984 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:15 - Mar 30 by controversial_jack |
It often takes longer than 28 for deaths to occur, and many patients who have been discharged from hospital return with the symptoms, despite not being still positive and unfortunately many die. If anything it's under reported.
Worldwide mortality rate is about 3% , with seasonal flu it's 0.1%, so it's far far worse. |
Massively so- about half of those hopsitalised have cardiac damage and the risk of stroke is raised 5-10 fold on the latest I have read. Those infected and recovered are, like many serious infections, going to have decreased life expectancy and in many cases reduced life quality. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:30 - Mar 30 with 969 views | jack2jack |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:15 - Mar 30 by controversial_jack |
It often takes longer than 28 for deaths to occur, and many patients who have been discharged from hospital return with the symptoms, despite not being still positive and unfortunately many die. If anything it's under reported.
Worldwide mortality rate is about 3% , with seasonal flu it's 0.1%, so it's far far worse. |
Its not 3%. |  | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:31 - Mar 30 with 969 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:06 - Mar 30 by Scotia |
They'll be adapted to the variant's around at that time.
Right now the variants only have a couple of similar mutations. |
Which is what we do and have done for the Avian Coronavirus vaccines for the last 30 years.
Also worth bearing in mind that vaccine evasion data is currently in vitro on serum which shows reduction in the efficacy of neutralising antibodies. However given that the protective response also involves T cells, actual loss of protection to new variants may not be as pronounced.
This work in my department:
https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.03.10.434447v1?s=09
Shows in animal (hamster) models infection with the 'original' Wuhan variant still protects against disease with the new variants, even if antibody is less effective. I'm not involved (I do bacteria) [Post edited 30 Mar 2021 12:35]
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| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:31 - Mar 30 with 968 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:30 - Mar 30 by jack2jack |
Its not 3%. |
See above. According to some sources it is. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:41 - Mar 30 with 962 views | jack2jack |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:31 - Mar 30 by Professor |
See above. According to some sources it is. |
Well until the actual figures are verified and scrutinised independently(which they won't be), I'm very sceptical.
Lets have the figures of who have actually died of it, first, until then, its a debate not worth having. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:44 - Mar 30 with 959 views | Wingstandwood |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:21 - Mar 30 by Professor |
Massively so- about half of those hopsitalised have cardiac damage and the risk of stroke is raised 5-10 fold on the latest I have read. Those infected and recovered are, like many serious infections, going to have decreased life expectancy and in many cases reduced life quality. |
I am yet to receive my vaccination, I'll be relieved to have it and I'll be extremely grateful and appreciative for having it also. I was taking to a female in her early 50's only this very morning, she was bed ridden for two weeks with Covid-19 and she is still yet to fully recover and is currently experiencing shortness of breath and fatigue.
The U.K is now sadly full of selfish 'conspiracy theory believing idiots' whom think that its some kind of 'badge-of-honour' to refuse a jab whilst endangering not only themselves but others also.
I note disgraceful and irresponsible (common sense of a gnat!) EU politicians along with our scaremongering U.K press for utterly despicable behaviour. |  |
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| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:44 - Mar 30 with 957 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:41 - Mar 30 by jack2jack |
Well until the actual figures are verified and scrutinised independently(which they won't be), I'm very sceptical.
Lets have the figures of who have actually died of it, first, until then, its a debate not worth having. |
Died of what? This is an important question. As many deaths are an indirect consequence as directly caused by infections but would not have happened otherwise. HIV does not kill people, but the consequence of untreated HIV is usually death. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:50 - Mar 30 with 954 views | controversial_jack |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:41 - Mar 30 by jack2jack |
Well until the actual figures are verified and scrutinised independently(which they won't be), I'm very sceptical.
Lets have the figures of who have actually died of it, first, until then, its a debate not worth having. |
128 million cases worldwide, and 2.8 million deaths. That's approx 2.2% mortality rate. Ok, it's not 3%, but that's down to the vaccine, lockdows and improved health care, but at one stage it was 3%. However, that doesn't take into consideration those who have been seriously ill and permanently damaged by it. So whoever stated that it was mild, has lost all sense of reality | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:51 - Mar 30 with 949 views | Catullus |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:04 - Mar 30 by controversial_jack |
In the labs yes, but how does that equate to mass production and distribution? What will happen to the excesses vaccines that we have? I don't think they can just be tipped into the blender and a quick running sample and here we go. |
It's called planning ahead, like they do with the flu virus every year. | |
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| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:59 - Mar 30 with 938 views | Professor |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:44 - Mar 30 by Wingstandwood |
I am yet to receive my vaccination, I'll be relieved to have it and I'll be extremely grateful and appreciative for having it also. I was taking to a female in her early 50's only this very morning, she was bed ridden for two weeks with Covid-19 and she is still yet to fully recover and is currently experiencing shortness of breath and fatigue.
The U.K is now sadly full of selfish 'conspiracy theory believing idiots' whom think that its some kind of 'badge-of-honour' to refuse a jab whilst endangering not only themselves but others also.
I note disgraceful and irresponsible (common sense of a gnat!) EU politicians along with our scaremongering U.K press for utterly despicable behaviour. |
I have a colleague (female, early 40s and fit other than asthma) who have has over 12 months of problems including two episodes of severe respiratory distress. I had my initial AZ dose two weeks ago and living in an area of good coverage my wife managed to get hers despite being under 50.
As a scientist I believe there are people out there who should be in jail for manslaughter for spreading this misinformation. | | | |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 13:00 - Mar 30 with 935 views | controversial_jack |
| People failing to turn up for vaccine. on 12:51 - Mar 30 by Catullus |
It's called planning ahead, like they do with the flu virus every year. |
They often get it wrong too | | | |
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